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US special forces prepare for additional SCAR influx (new rifle)
Jane's ^ | 29 October 2009 | Andrew White

Posted on 10/30/2009 7:46:37 PM PDT by gaijin

Initial fielding of FNH USA's Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM)...is anticipated in early 2010 to fully equip the majority of [SOCOM]. So far 1,200 Mk 16 and Mk 17 SCAR weapon systems have been delivered...but...it expects a larger order for around 20,000 weapons next year...The order will also include...15,000 5.56 mm Mk 16 SCAR-Light and 5,000 Mk 17 7.62 mm SCAR-Heavy weapons as well as a number of 40 mm Mk 13 Enhanced Grenade Launcher Modules.

(Excerpt) Read more at janes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: defense; m4; usarmy; weapons

1 posted on 10/30/2009 7:46:38 PM PDT by gaijin
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The beginning of the end of matty mattel


2 posted on 10/30/2009 7:47:53 PM PDT by omega4179
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3 posted on 10/30/2009 7:48:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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So much for the move to 6.5mm


4 posted on 10/30/2009 7:48:16 PM PDT by fso301
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this thread is useless without pictures!


5 posted on 10/30/2009 7:50:11 PM PDT by ibheath (Stand ready to fight the coming madness.)
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6 posted on 10/30/2009 7:51:17 PM PDT by gaijin
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7 posted on 10/30/2009 7:51:52 PM PDT by gaijin
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The U.S. Military should have had FN FAL’s instead of matty Mattel aka McNamara’s POS. Looks like they are just getting a modernized FAL.


8 posted on 10/30/2009 7:52:17 PM PDT by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: fso301
So much for the move to 6.5mm

Do you understand the logistics of changing a cartridge size ?

9 posted on 10/30/2009 7:52:40 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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10 posted on 10/30/2009 7:52:43 PM PDT by gaijin
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Polymer version of the FN FAL by the same manufacturer.


11 posted on 10/30/2009 7:53:30 PM PDT by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: gaijin

Dang, another rifle to put on the Christmas wish list.


12 posted on 10/30/2009 7:54:20 PM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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13 posted on 10/30/2009 7:54:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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BUMP for later read


14 posted on 10/30/2009 8:01:23 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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15 posted on 10/30/2009 8:04:17 PM PDT by gaijin
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Tet wanty, Santa bring?


16 posted on 10/30/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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17 posted on 10/30/2009 8:06:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Do you understand the logistics of changing a cartridge size ?

Yes, but it hurts like hell to get killed by the POS you have already shot a couple of times.

18 posted on 10/30/2009 8:09:49 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: PeteB570
Same old rifle, just British stock configuration.
19 posted on 10/30/2009 8:11:07 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Do you understand the logistics of changing a cartridge size ?

I don't care one way or the other. There has been a lot of talk that special operations were moving away from the 5.56mm. This shows the 5.56 is still king.

20 posted on 10/30/2009 8:15:26 PM PDT by fso301
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21 posted on 10/30/2009 8:15:29 PM PDT by gaijin
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22 posted on 10/30/2009 8:16:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: tet68
Oh, I hope so. BtD wants a .308 in his stocking. That one would do nicely.

Moles. I got moles. Yeh. Lotsa moles.

23 posted on 10/30/2009 8:18:28 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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24 posted on 10/30/2009 8:20:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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btt


25 posted on 10/30/2009 8:21:41 PM PDT by scottywr (the only Gun control I need is sight picture and breathing.)
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To: org.whodat
My personal preference would have been 6.5 mm Grendel

and replace both the .223 and the .306 with the Grendal.

Also see .276 Pedersen and supplies of .30-06


26 posted on 10/30/2009 8:22:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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the whole point of the 6.8mm was that it would work in a 5.56mm lower. the switch would involve changing the barrel and bolt.

i’m still puzzled why they didn’t adopt it, particularly so because they’ve made the m4 carbine standard issue. they understand that they need to fight house to house, but they won’t use a larger bullet to do it. i suspect that the 3,000 fps mafia won’t let go.


27 posted on 10/30/2009 8:32:22 PM PDT by sig226 (My President was President of the week at the Norwegian Slough Academy.)
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To: gaijin

As with aircraft, if it looks unwieldy and unworkable, it probably is.

Remember that in weaponry, simplicity has a value all its own. The AK-47 has only three parts that are to be cleaned in the field. The Browning M1911 pistol (.45 ACP) was issued for 74 years, and worked in four major wars, in radically different environments, with few mechanical failures or jams.

The M2 Browning .50 caliber MG was designed in 1918, and none of its countless potential replacements have come close to this “perfect” machine gun.

The M79 Grenade Launcher was so simple and effective that soldiers even made their own, modified ammo for it. R&D couldn’t resist combining it with an M16 rifle, into the M203, but the two combined were never as great as the two apart.

In Vietnam, US forces found US made weapons that had been lost in the Philippine Insurrection, yet were still in working order. Not wanting that to continue, the M16 was notoriously difficult to clean and easy to break.

Soldiers are a very fickle lot when it comes to their personal weapon. If they like a weapon, they admire it, if they don’t, it just saves time to go back to the drawing board.


28 posted on 10/30/2009 8:36:54 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sig226
I would have preferred the 6.5 Grendal to the 6.8

Both in in the same platform.

The ballistics of the 6.5 Grendal looked better
for both short and very long range.

It seemed the 6.5 Grendal had better
terminal velocity at 1000 meters than the .308


29 posted on 10/30/2009 8:39:37 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

that seems to me to be the problem, and mr. kalishnikov did a better job of solving it than mr. stoner. most soldiers don’t need a 1,000 meter sniper rifle. they need a compact automatic rifle that works in close combat.


30 posted on 10/30/2009 8:56:50 PM PDT by sig226 (My President was President of the week at the Norwegian Slough Academy.)
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To: omega4179
The beginning of the end of matty mattel


31 posted on 10/30/2009 9:25:29 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.)
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To: fso301

SCAR is adaptable to the various 6mm calibers - but the big thing there is that we want to stick to NATO ammo standards, and nobody else in NATO is interested in switching calibers again.


32 posted on 10/30/2009 9:31:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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33 posted on 10/30/2009 9:31:35 PM PDT by omega4179
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5.56 is king over groundhogs


34 posted on 10/30/2009 9:32:33 PM PDT by omega4179
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Sorry, but it looks like Dieudonne Saive (John Browning’s protege) got the last laugh on Mr. Kalashnikov and Mr. Stoner.


35 posted on 10/30/2009 9:35:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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bttt


36 posted on 10/31/2009 1:31:30 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: sig226
that seems to me to be the problem, and mr. kalishnikov did a better job of solving it than mr. stoner. most soldiers don’t need a 1,000 meter sniper rifle. they need a compact automatic rifle that works in close combat.

Every cartridge is a tradeoff.

7.62x39 was first a carbine round in the SKS.

The Germans most often used Machine Pistols
in 9mm parabellum for CQB.
starting with MP18.

,223 is a varmint round.
7.52x39 is a deer round.

I don't use a varmint rifle to shoot deer.

Somehow DOD thinks you can.


37 posted on 10/31/2009 8:11:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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