Skip to comments.US special forces prepare for additional SCAR influx (new rifle)
Posted on 10/30/2009 7:46:37 PM PDT by gaijin
Initial fielding of FNH USA's Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle (SCAR) to the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM)...is anticipated in early 2010 to fully equip the majority of [SOCOM]. So far 1,200 Mk 16 and Mk 17 SCAR weapon systems have been delivered...but...it expects a larger order for around 20,000 weapons next year...The order will also include...15,000 5.56 mm Mk 16 SCAR-Light and 5,000 Mk 17 7.62 mm SCAR-Heavy weapons as well as a number of 40 mm Mk 13 Enhanced Grenade Launcher Modules.
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The beginning of the end of matty mattel
So much for the move to 6.5mm
this thread is useless without pictures!
The U.S. Military should have had FN FAL’s instead of matty Mattel aka McNamara’s POS. Looks like they are just getting a modernized FAL.
Do you understand the logistics of changing a cartridge size ?
Polymer version of the FN FAL by the same manufacturer.
Dang, another rifle to put on the Christmas wish list.
BUMP for later read
Tet wanty, Santa bring?
Yes, but it hurts like hell to get killed by the POS you have already shot a couple of times.
I don't care one way or the other. There has been a lot of talk that special operations were moving away from the 5.56mm. This shows the 5.56 is still king.
Moles. I got moles. Yeh. Lotsa moles.
My personal preference would have been 6.5 mm Grendel
and replace both the .223 and the .306 with the Grendal.
Also see .276 Pedersen and supplies of .30-06
the whole point of the 6.8mm was that it would work in a 5.56mm lower. the switch would involve changing the barrel and bolt.
i’m still puzzled why they didn’t adopt it, particularly so because they’ve made the m4 carbine standard issue. they understand that they need to fight house to house, but they won’t use a larger bullet to do it. i suspect that the 3,000 fps mafia won’t let go.
As with aircraft, if it looks unwieldy and unworkable, it probably is.
Remember that in weaponry, simplicity has a value all its own. The AK-47 has only three parts that are to be cleaned in the field. The Browning M1911 pistol (.45 ACP) was issued for 74 years, and worked in four major wars, in radically different environments, with few mechanical failures or jams.
The M2 Browning .50 caliber MG was designed in 1918, and none of its countless potential replacements have come close to this “perfect” machine gun.
The M79 Grenade Launcher was so simple and effective that soldiers even made their own, modified ammo for it. R&D couldn’t resist combining it with an M16 rifle, into the M203, but the two combined were never as great as the two apart.
In Vietnam, US forces found US made weapons that had been lost in the Philippine Insurrection, yet were still in working order. Not wanting that to continue, the M16 was notoriously difficult to clean and easy to break.
Soldiers are a very fickle lot when it comes to their personal weapon. If they like a weapon, they admire it, if they don’t, it just saves time to go back to the drawing board.
I would have preferred the 6.5 Grendal to the 6.8
Both in in the same platform.
The ballistics of the 6.5 Grendal looked better
for both short and very long range.
It seemed the 6.5 Grendal had better
terminal velocity at 1000 meters than the .308
that seems to me to be the problem, and mr. kalishnikov did a better job of solving it than mr. stoner. most soldiers don’t need a 1,000 meter sniper rifle. they need a compact automatic rifle that works in close combat.
SCAR is adaptable to the various 6mm calibers - but the big thing there is that we want to stick to NATO ammo standards, and nobody else in NATO is interested in switching calibers again.
5.56 is king over groundhogs
Sorry, but it looks like Dieudonne Saive (John Browning’s protege) got the last laugh on Mr. Kalashnikov and Mr. Stoner.
7.62x39 was first a carbine round in the SKS. The Germans most often used Machine Pistols ,223 is a varmint round. I don't use a varmint rifle to shoot deer. Somehow DOD thinks you can.
Every cartridge is a tradeoff.
in 9mm parabellum for CQB.
starting with MP18.
7.52x39 is a deer round.
7.62x39 was first a carbine round in the SKS.
The Germans most often used Machine Pistols
,223 is a varmint round.
I don't use a varmint rifle to shoot deer.
Somehow DOD thinks you can.