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Obama won't 'micromanage' generals in Afghanistan: Clinton
AFP (hosted on Google) ^ | October 31, 2009

Posted on 10/31/2009 3:09:54 AM PDT by myknowledge

WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama will lay out broad strategic guidelines for Afghanistan after November 7 runoff elections there but will not "micromanage" the generals fighting the war, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday.

Clinton made the remarks when asked whether forces would be pulled back from the Pakistan-Afghanistan border under a new strategy that reportedly will refocus the US-led military effort on protecting Afghan population centers.

"The president is not going to micromanage what our generals do," she said in an interview with PBS television.

"The president is going to say, 'Here's our strategic objectives, here's what is needed for us to meet the mission we have, here are the troops that you're going to be given, here are the civilians and the political strategy that we are integrating.'"

"But he's not going to be looking at a map and saying, 'Do you have two people there and four people there?' That's not the way it's done," she said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; generals; micromanaging; obama; wot
Is the AFP kidding us? Is BHO not gonna 'micromanage' the war in Afghanistan the same way Lynchin' SOB Johnson micromanaged Operation Rolling Thunder, forcing F-105 Thud strike formations to fly through a predesignated route (Route Pack Six) booby-trapped with North Vietnamese SAM and AAA batteries and hamstringing the TAC (Tactical Air Command) by NOT permitting them to attack certain targets e.g. ammo dumps or VPAF air bases?

Yeah, right!

(rotors whirling) Run for the chopper! Quick!

Return fire!!!! Take down those Taliban! (gunfire)


1 posted on 10/31/2009 3:09:55 AM PDT by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

“Do you have two people there and four people there?”

Uh-huh!

See, even Hillary knows what Obama is going to say. Of course he is a micro-manager! He can’t help it, it is just the way he really is.


2 posted on 10/31/2009 3:19:31 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: myknowledge

obozo won’t micromanage our troops in Afghanistan?
Nope, he just won’t allow enough troops to go there to get the job done of winning.
Instead he allows our undermanned troops to get killed.
f-ing marxist piece of garbage.


3 posted on 10/31/2009 3:20:00 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher

Obama ses the Rules of Engagement, which ties the troops hands, then tels them what he wants done and wont give them enough troops to do it.

The strategic command by our generals should be to keep Americans from getting killed in Afghanistan fighting for a President who has abandoned the mission.


4 posted on 10/31/2009 3:28:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: myknowledge

Obamao is best left managing his career in pop politics. Being the One takes up all his time.


5 posted on 10/31/2009 3:33:42 AM PDT by pallis
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To: myknowledge

“...will not “micromanage” the generals fighting the war, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday.”

...kinda’ like Bill and Monika, but sorry Hillary, you are WRONG and too late!!!


6 posted on 10/31/2009 3:39:45 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: myknowledge
Obama ...will not "micromanage" the generals fighting the war, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday.

That means he will.

7 posted on 10/31/2009 3:48:38 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: myknowledge

Until Obama permits the military Generals to determine the ROE (rules of engagement), he is micro-managing the war.


8 posted on 10/31/2009 3:54:47 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex

Just like Lynchin’ SOB Johnson with Operation Rolling Thunder.


9 posted on 10/31/2009 4:09:59 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

Let us not damage the King sez the court jester Clinton. Fools on the hill. Remember!


10 posted on 10/31/2009 4:15:11 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: myknowledge
1) hussein is a natural born citizen

2) hussein is not a muzzie

3) hussein is not a communist

4) hussein is a moderate centrist

5) hussein will not micromanage his Generals in Afghanistan

Come on hildy-beast... you're killing me with these whoppers.

LLS

11 posted on 10/31/2009 4:20:08 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: myknowledge
Obama won't 'micromanage' generals in Afghanistan: Clinton

Why micromanage them when you can hang them out to dry instead?

12 posted on 10/31/2009 4:24:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: myknowledge
0 CAN'T micromanage the war! He's too busy . . .

Closing Guantanamo,

Not being a CEO,

Pursuing bi-partisanship,

Ensuring an open and transparent administration,

Achieving health-care reform,

Not pursuing investigations of previous administration's policies,

Ya know, way back when, 0 reversed his pledge on campaign funding, saying he would be open about it, then refusing matching funds because it would force him to disclose too much.

Didn't that prove where he was going all along?

13 posted on 10/31/2009 4:31:39 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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Can you picture Obama in the War Room at 3am in his house-coat and slippers.....like LBJ during the Vietnam War?

Nah, I didn't think you could.

14 posted on 10/31/2009 5:01:30 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Quiller

Bush figured a way to make the Troops Surge happen, while Obama gets punked by the Taliban


15 posted on 10/31/2009 5:11:56 AM PDT by Son House (2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Hear and See Democrats put the CON in CONgress)
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To: Joe Boucher
"get the job done of winning"

That sounds great but the question is:

Should the US run a counterterrorism operation or a counterinsurgency operation.

After you have decided which type of mission you plan to implement, then you can "get the job done of winning".

If you decide to go the counterinsurgency route, you are going to need a lot more troops, and you will have to accept a lot more deaths because there will be many "operating outside the wire", in smaller units, and in remote locations. But if that is what you, Cheney, and McKrystal want, go for it.

16 posted on 10/31/2009 5:33:01 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Our “leaders “ have us in a war.
If you send Americans to war you had best have a plan for winning BEFORE you go in.
Seems obozo is dithering, trying to placate his very liberal base and not wanting to look even weaker.
Also his rules of engagement are a ajoke for service members getting shot at.


17 posted on 10/31/2009 5:51:55 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: myknowledge

Didn’t Obama and Biden claim that they were going to get Bin Laden when they took the reigns? The two of them, along with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, every Communist administration Czar, snd judge appointee should be put through some type of boot camp and military training. Then they should be air dropped in the mountains along the Afghanistan / Pakistan boarder. They should each be equiped with tiny cameras and vital sign monitors with satelite uplinks. Obama can lead this group of Bin Laden hunters. Then we can see what they are really made of.


18 posted on 10/31/2009 6:03:37 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: myknowledge
please, the boy couldn't manage a cheese toast...
19 posted on 10/31/2009 6:14:15 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: myknowledge

He won’t macromange them either.


20 posted on 10/31/2009 6:15:44 AM PDT by jilliane
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To: myknowledge

And what does do they think he is doing now dithering over sending the troops McCrystal requested 2-3 months ago?


21 posted on 10/31/2009 6:15:52 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: myknowledge
Obama won't 'micromanage' generals in Afghanistan: Clinton

That's because an essential component of "Micro-Management" is the ability to manage, of which Obama has yet to demonstrate even minimal capability.

22 posted on 10/31/2009 6:16:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SatinDoll
Who is the war czar for $200 Alex?
23 posted on 10/31/2009 6:17:29 AM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone memorial or Kennedy.........!)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Should the US run a counterterrorism operation or a counterinsurgency operation.

All ready doing the Counter terrorist gig, it what General McCrystal is saying is failing.

But if you, Obama and Biden what to keep failing and getting Americans troops killed for nothing, keep assuming you know more 9,000 miles away then the guy on the ground does.

24 posted on 10/31/2009 6:21:16 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: fireman15

I agree with the airdrop—with no parachutes.


25 posted on 10/31/2009 6:43:09 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: MNJohnnie; Joe Boucher
"All ready doing the Counter terrorist gig"

They a have also already begun the counterinsurgency "gig".

Operation Strike of the Sword. 2nd Battalion, Eight Marines.

Did you take the time to follow Echo Company's mission on prime time TV?

26 posted on 10/31/2009 6:54:39 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: myknowledge

“”That’s not the way it’s done,” she said.””

She’s speaking from what? I didn’t realize she’d ever managed a war - except in her own household. Too bad we’re not as impressed with these people as they, themselves are.


27 posted on 10/31/2009 7:13:35 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Ben Ficklin
When you are called for making snarky rude posts about a topic you clearly know nothing about, it is best to simply walk away rather then squeal your ignorance louder and louder.

When General McCrystal calls you asking for your advice, let us know otherwise don't bother us with your ignorant Freeper General postings.

28 posted on 10/31/2009 7:13:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: myknowledge
US President Barack Obama will lay out broad strategic guidelines for Afghanistan after November 7 runoff 3 U.S. off-year elections

There. I fixed it.

29 posted on 10/31/2009 7:33:17 AM PDT by Gritty (The quickest way to end a war is to lose it - George Orwell)
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To: myknowledge

Has Bill Clintoon ever told America the truth.

0b0z0 will make LBJ look like a hands off POTUS.


30 posted on 10/31/2009 8:19:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: MNJohnnie; Joe Boucher
Public opinion has already turned, and I'll tell you why and when.

Last march the NeoCons kicked off their new "think tank", Foreign Policy Initiative(FPI). They had to do this because public opinion against the NeoCons and their old think tank, Project for a New American Century(PNAC), was so strong.

Attending that event was John Nagl, a former Lt Col who had been an advisor to Petreaus. He was one of Petreaus' "best and brightest", West Point and Rhodes Scholar, an intellectual militarist. A scholar in the art of counterinsurgency. He rewrote the Army/Marine COIN manual that is being used in Afghan.

Kagl had become the president of the think tank, Center for a New American Security(CNAS), last Jan, after the previous president(Michele Flournoy) had become Obama's Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.

Prior to this, Kagl, Exum, Kilcullen, Flournoy and all the others promoting COIN were all considered to be liberal interventionists, who only concern was American security.

But when Kagl attended the FPI kickoff, many began to see a connection between the interventionists and the neocons, that what was previously considered to be security doctrine was now a empire building doctrine.

Public opinion on this has already been expressed in the GOP election bloodbaths of 2006 and 2008. US voters are going to vote against the NeoCons and their empire building.

31 posted on 10/31/2009 8:28:21 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
You don't seem to get it.

Screaming your ignorant slogans louder and louder does not magically change your ignorance to wisdom. It merely exposes your stupidity to a larger and larger audience.

I take the opinions of the guys on the ground seriously. I do not take seriously the ignorant slogan shouting of self appointed never been anything Freeper Generals.

32 posted on 10/31/2009 8:40:33 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: myknowledge

I guess this means he’s going to just leave our soldiers with rules of engagement that favor the enemy, and cut back on the extensive FIVE PERCENT of his time that he’s spent focusing on this very important war since being told if we don’t handle it right we just could LOSE THE WAR.


33 posted on 10/31/2009 8:44:39 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Joe Boucher
The reason Biden said "who cares what Cheney says or thinks" is because the general public doesn't care what Cheney and the NeoCons think.

Obama ran on the Realist doctrine and McCain ran the NeoCon Doctrine Obama won and has been following the Realists.

If you want a clue as to what will happen, listen to what the Realists are saying, not Cheney.

Pay attention to SoD Gates, NSA Jones, Colin Powell, Brent Scowcroft, & Henry Kissinger.

34 posted on 10/31/2009 9:03:35 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Try actually listening rather then just screaming your ignorant political dogmas louder.

The people on the ground are saying your dogma is wrong.

You are 9000 miles away. You have no background or experience in Counter Insurgency. Just because “Run away” fits in with your habitual Neo Isolationist political dogma, does not mean you have the slightest hint of a clue of what is, or is not, a correct strategy.

The fact that you routinely strain out all facts that do not fit your knee jerk Neo Isolationist dogmas indicates you are even LESS fit to comment on this topic then most people.

The people on the ground are professionals, you are just some anonymous jerk with an attitude and a computer. The notion that anyone should listen to your ignorant opinions over their professional assessment is absurd and laughable.

35 posted on 10/31/2009 9:39:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I win this discussion because all you can do is call me names.

Why don't you try to defend COIN? Surely you could find some info on the internet supporting COIN. How did it work in Viet Nam?

Try this.

Insurgency requires no capital. COIN requires large capital investments.

36 posted on 10/31/2009 9:54:22 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Interesting,
I have two nephews that graduated West Point.
One a very liberal Dem, the other a very conservative born again, Republican.
Fun to listen to them discuss issues too.

While I understand your position, I really have no confidence in those who you point to as learned.
Just becuase you may have held a certain job, algore,jimmy carter doewn’t mean you have a clue.
Yes I care to hear what those on the ground have to say, I just feel the administration has an agenda, a preconceived ideqa of what they want and are naive.
So anonomyus Ben Ficklin,
tell us about yourself,
what do you do?
Work for the democrat party? work in a dirty movie theatre?


37 posted on 10/31/2009 12:11:29 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher
You are just like the other guy, you call me names.

You say you want the the US to win, but it is not about winning, it is about stabilizing.

You say we should listen to to what the military says, and if we were talking about strategies and tactics, that would be correct, but strategies and tactics are not being questioned. These are doctrinal issues and we certainly don't turn to the military to determine doctrines.

38 posted on 11/02/2009 10:07:01 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

Ben.
YOu have very poor logic.
And are not worth my time or any ffort.


39 posted on 11/03/2009 2:40:40 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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