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9 feared dead in mid-air collision ( 50 miles off coast near San Diego )
CBC News ^ | Friday, October 30, 2009 | 3:50 PM ET | Donald Knowles Associated Press

Posted on 10/31/2009 10:34:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Investigators are trying to determine why a U.S. Coast Guard C-130 airplane and a U.S. Marine Corps attack helicopter collided on Thursday night, likely killing nine crew members.

Aircraft and ships are scouring the ocean off San Diego for any signs of survivors of the nighttime collision, but Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the crash likely killed both the plane's seven crew members and the two-person crew of the AH-1W Super Cobra helicopter.

Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said the crash occurred minutes after control of the C-130 was handed off from FAA controllers to military air controllers.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ah1wcobra; c130; coastguard; crash; helicopter; marines; socal; uscg

1 posted on 10/31/2009 10:34:53 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Bush’s fault...


2 posted on 10/31/2009 10:36:14 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Faux News" to "Foe News"..."they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Ghandi)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Apaches and C-130s don’t normally fly at the same altitude. Who was in the wrong airspace?


3 posted on 10/31/2009 10:44:19 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA
Who was monitoring the air space.
4 posted on 10/31/2009 10:52:51 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: TXnMA

Apparently the C-130 was searching for a lost boater.


5 posted on 10/31/2009 11:00:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: TXnMA
Apaches and C-130s don’t normally fly at the same altitude. Who was in the wrong airspace?

The Coast Guard C-130 was cleared for 900-100 feet searching for a lost boater.

The airspace was controlled by the military and of a type that is restricted during military operations and training but otherwise is open for general aviation.

6 posted on 10/31/2009 11:01:00 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: OldMissileer

That should read 900-1000 feet.


7 posted on 10/31/2009 11:01:53 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Prayers up. Tonk Memorial Coast Guard bump.


8 posted on 10/31/2009 11:14:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Democrats scare me, the GOP infuriates me.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What was happening in the control tower just before they crashed?


9 posted on 10/31/2009 11:41:02 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I know the Cobra doesn’t have TCAS, but I wonder if the C-130 didn’t? I find that invaluable when operating in busy airspace.


10 posted on 10/31/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: NonValueAdded; Jim Robinson

Thanks for remembering our FRiend Tonk...


11 posted on 10/31/2009 12:21:05 PM PDT by tubebender (Santa Claus is always jolly cause he knows where all the bad girls live...)
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To: NonValueAdded

Prayers up.


12 posted on 10/31/2009 12:38:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: USNBandit

I would say - yes they COastie owns at least some C130 that have TCAS

at least this contract award woudl seem to indicate that

The U.S. Coast Guard requires repair/overhaul services on an as needed basis for the HC130 Traffic Collision and Avoidance System (TCAS) components. A firm fixed-price contract will be awarded for a one-year base period with four one-year option periods. This requirement will be issued as a best value procurement utilizing commercial procedures. This is an unrestricted acquisition. The North American Industry Classification System Code is 334511 and the small business size standard is 750 employees


13 posted on 10/31/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: org.whodat

Beaver Control. I don’t know if they are gov employees or outside contractors.


14 posted on 10/31/2009 1:04:54 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Become a monthly donor or FR won't be here for you!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Military officials said the helicopter was one of four marine choppers flying in formation to San Clemente Island, a Navy training site."

If the Apache was anywhere other than trail (last) position in that formation, then there should be some well-trained eyewitness to whatever happened -- in addition to memories of some frantic scrambling to avoid further involvement...

15 posted on 10/31/2009 2:59:30 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: tubebender

Tonk was truly unforgettable.


16 posted on 10/31/2009 3:25:42 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Democrats scare me, the GOP infuriates me.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Cross-linking to related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374299/posts


17 posted on 10/31/2009 3:30:55 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: NonValueAdded; tubebender

Amen to that!


18 posted on 10/31/2009 5:30:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NonValueAdded; Ernest_at_the_Beach; happydogx2

Wife and I spent 5 days days in Gold Beach Ore a few years ago and we made a trip to Coos Bay to find Tonk but he was out of town that day.


19 posted on 10/31/2009 5:43:53 PM PDT by tubebender (Santa Claus is always jolly cause he knows where all the bad girls live...)
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To: TXnMA
Apaches(sic) and C-130s don’t normally fly at the same altitude.

The Marine Corps doesn't fly Apaches.

Cobras aren't Apaches.

20 posted on 11/01/2009 4:48:39 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How many military plane or helicopter crashes have there been in the last couple weeks? Seems like at least 3.


21 posted on 11/01/2009 4:50:03 AM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Coast Guard Holds Briefing On Midair Collision”

SAN DIEGO — The Coast guard will hold a press briefing Sunday morning on the nine people missing and feared dead following a midair collision between a Marine Corps light attack helicopter and a U.S. Coast Guard transport plane over the Pacific Ocean.

Military officials released the names of the missing personnel Saturday. The Marine Corps chopper, part of Marine Aircraft Group 39 based at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, was piloted by Maj. Samuel Leigh, 35, of Kennebec, Maine. The co-pilot was 1st Lt. Thomas Claiborne, 26, of Douglas, Colo.

The missing Coast Guard plane and the personnel who had been aboard it were from USCG Air Station Sacramento. The pilot of the Coast Guard plane was Lt. Cmdr. Che J. Barnes, 35, of Capay, a small town in Yolo County. The plane was co-piloted by Lt. Adam W.Bryant, 28, of Crewe, Va. Also onboard were: Chief Petty Officer John F. Seidman, 43, Stockton; Petty Officer 2nd Class Carl P. Grigonis, 35, Mayfield Heights, Ohio; Petty Officer 2nd Class Jason S. Moletzsky, 26, Norristown, Pa.; Petty Officer 3rd Class Danny R. Kreder II, 22, Elm Mott, Texas; and Petty Officer 2nd Class Monica L. Beacham, 29, Decaturville, Tenn.

-SNIP-

http://www.10news.com/news/21472086/detail.html


22 posted on 11/01/2009 8:42:06 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Duh! Thanks for the reminder!


23 posted on 11/01/2009 9:26:19 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Rumor going around that the incident was caused when a fishing vessel shined a high intensity searchlight at the Cobra. The aviators were wearing night vision goggles and were essentially blinded. They then flew into the C-130, which was part of a SAR exercise.


24 posted on 11/02/2009 4:05:10 PM PST by LSUfan
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