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Beware The Reverse Brain Drain To India And China
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Posted on 11/01/2009 8:32:05 AM PST by newbie2008

I spent Columbus Day in Sunnyvale, fittingly, meeting with a roomful of new arrivals. Well, relatively new. They were Indians living in Silicon Valley. The event was organized by the Think India Foundation, a think-tank that seeks to solve problems which Indians face. When introducing the topic of skilled immigration, the discussion moderator, Sand Hill Group founder M.R. Rangaswami asked the obvious question. How many planned to return to India? I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; siliconvalley

1 posted on 11/01/2009 8:32:06 AM PST by newbie2008
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To: newbie2008

” How many planned to return to India? I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands..”

....I would be pleased to see that...hopefully some American kids will study IT and take their place.


2 posted on 11/01/2009 8:40:46 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: newbie2008

The brain drain America is experiencing is being caused by Congress allowing the H1b visa importation of cheaper high tech labor in lieu of US labor.


3 posted on 11/01/2009 8:40:46 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: newbie2008

LOL, that is really funny!!!


4 posted on 11/01/2009 8:41:43 AM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: STONEWALLS
I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands..”

Whats so shocking? They never aspired to be Americans, they're just here for the money.

5 posted on 11/01/2009 8:42:11 AM PST by glorgau
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To: STONEWALLS

It won’t happen... Because most American kids have had a very bad education, especially in the sciences.

The US needs these people. The problem is that the immigration laws are not taking this into consideration. It’s better to be the cousin of an illiterate Mexican immigrant than a Ph. D. in engineering in the system.

This is very bad!


6 posted on 11/01/2009 8:42:58 AM PST by Michel12
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To: STONEWALLS

IMO corporations are trying to force down wages and benefits in the US. Then we will see jobs slowly come back for Americans.


7 posted on 11/01/2009 8:43:32 AM PST by bsf2009
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To: glorgau

Or did they decide to leave when the Baraqqis took over?


8 posted on 11/01/2009 8:44:13 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: All

We already have a tight supply of physicians in the US. Many thousands of US physicians are from Pakistan, India, and other developing nations. If “health care reform” cramps the income potential of physicians in this country, as many experts say it undoubtedly will, then it would take only a few hundred of these doctors’ decisions to return to their homelands to precipitate a major shortage of physicians in the United States. The predicted lines of waiting for care under ObozoCare may be coming sooner than anyone thinks.


9 posted on 11/01/2009 8:44:27 AM PST by Spartan79
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To: STONEWALLS
Of course there going back, because thats we American business is hiring :)
10 posted on 11/01/2009 8:45:22 AM PST by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: newbie2008
How many planned to return to India? I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands.

Purely anecdotal, and probably self-serving. Only a few weeks ago we had articles about Americans grads seeking employment in China. (A closer reading revealed they thought it would enhance their resumes once they returned to the US.)

Not much can be taken at face value with regards to immigration, H1Bs, temporary workers, etc. Too many people pushing their personal self-interest.

11 posted on 11/01/2009 8:51:17 AM PST by Will88
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To: Spartan79
Many thousands of US physicians are from Pakistan, India

The number from Pakistan compared to India is minuscule. Pakistan is an educationally, culturally, socially and economically backward country. It's the PC lib media that always clumps India and Pakistan together as if they were on par.

12 posted on 11/01/2009 8:56:23 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Spartan79

In addition, many American-born physicians are considering closing their offices as well, My mom’s primary care doctor, a woman in her late 40s, informed my mom that if Obamacare or any public option is approved, she will probably close her office if she cannot keep her patient load at present levels.

A Hong Kong-born surgeon I know reiterated the aforementioned.

The unfortunate thing is that whether IT or medicine, many American students lack the educational background for scientific disciplines. I informed one college-aged neighbor that a B- average won’t cut it for grad school (she thought she was doing pretty well - too much false self-esteem).


13 posted on 11/01/2009 8:57:08 AM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Michel12

“It won’t happen... Because most American kids have had a very bad education, especially in the sciences.”

But, but, they know how to save the rainforests!


14 posted on 11/01/2009 8:59:53 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: 12Gauge687; Spartan79

It’s not so much income reduction that is worrying the physicians. The ones I know stand to make more money under the new plans. Currently they get less than 50% of what they bill because they provide for so many illegals and those who just won’t pay. Even with a 20% reduction in reimbursement they’ll make much more money if everyone is covered.

The real concern is a government panel telling them what tests they can do and what they can’t prescribe. If they can’t do all the tests but then get sued for missing a diagnosis, they’re screwed.


15 posted on 11/01/2009 9:04:33 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: 12Gauge687
In addition, many American-born physicians are considering closing their offices as well,

True. I talk to many physicians in the course of my work, and my best girlfriend is a physician. Many of them have run the numbers and find that they couldn't afford to keep their offices open under Obamacare. They're actively looking for other fields to go into--jobs that don't involve patient care.

16 posted on 11/01/2009 9:09:51 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Happyinmygarden
“...But, but, they know how to save the rainforests!...”

dont forget that hole in the ozone thats causing me to sweat like a pig here ... /sarc

Oh by the way...in 2 weeks my ski seasong starts..i cant wait... really

17 posted on 11/01/2009 9:25:39 AM PST by forYourChildrenVote4Bush
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To: newbie2008

“How many planned to return to India? I was shocked to see more than three-quarters of the audience raise their hands”

Probably that’s how many of them are underwater on their mortgages. They’d rather leave than overpay for their housing.


18 posted on 11/01/2009 9:34:07 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: newbie2008

They’re just telling us what we want to hear.


19 posted on 11/01/2009 9:39:31 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: newbie2008

“shocked” ? what a moron

india paid for their education... funded the effort to have American companies import the cheap labor... all so they would get trained and be able to return to india with the skill set.

and yes, india had made the statement in the 90s that the country was to focus on the IT sector as their main industry

the only idiots here are the management morons that brought these people in to be trained, dumping Americans for the cheaper labor

all i can say is thank goodness computers and IT went the way of the buggy whip


20 posted on 11/01/2009 10:47:43 AM PST by sten
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To: ladyjane

Cindy, my mom’s doc, doesn’t get the same numerical result because she hardly has any illegals among her patients. Her problem is, to which you alluded, the climbing cost of malpractice insurance. On top of the other things that you cited, like government directives, her office insurance and workmen’s comp will continue to rise.


21 posted on 11/01/2009 11:25:11 AM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: glorgau
not all, glorgau. There are many Indian docs who consider themselves americans and would never leave. The H1B programmers -- yes, many are just here for the money and would leave when they get the first opp

HOWEVER, there will be a few who want the American dream and want to assimilate and who are / would be a credit to this country. The tricky bit is filtering these out.
22 posted on 11/03/2009 4:10:19 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
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