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Dolan gives the Times holy hell: Hits 'anti-church' op-ed
New York Post ^ | November 3, 2009 | DAN MANGAN

Posted on 11/03/2009 2:37:17 AM PST by Scanian

New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan has condemned The New York Times -- blasting the Gray Lady and its columnist Maureen Dowd for what he says are examples of unfair, prejudicial and just downright mean anti-Catholicism.

Dolan used his blog last Thursday on the Archdiocese of New York's Web site to rail against the Times a day after the paper refused to print his critique as an op-ed piece.

He singled out Dowd -- a poison-penned, Pulitzer winner and former Catholic-school girl -- for "the most combustible," "intemperate and scurrilous" "diatribe" she wrote on Oct. 25, which "rightly never would have passed muster with the editors had it so criticized an Islamic, Jewish or African-American religious issue."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/dolan_gives_the_times_holy_hell_C79kb04ndK2nKWVWLO8O0K#ixzz0Vn8M59NQ

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; bigotdowd; catholic; christophobe; christophobia; dolan; leftists; modowd; nytimes

1 posted on 11/03/2009 2:37:17 AM PST by Scanian
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To: NYer; Salvation; narses; Pyro7480; wagglebee; Mrs. Don-o; annalex; Mad Dawg; AnAmericanMother; ...

ping to a good article.


2 posted on 11/03/2009 2:39:57 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Scanian

It’s about time the Times is made to pay with the cost of its reputation for its anti-Catholic, anti-Christian bigotry and hatred.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 3:09:58 AM PST by winner3000
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To: Scanian

Why do “former Catholic School” people seem to attack the church. This can be looked at as a failure in the schooling (and perhaps it is), but after subbing at a Catholic School for a while, I have a different theory.

All people must choose their path, and no education offered can change that. People who have had a religiously based education and then reject religion appear to do so with much intensity. Like Satan himself, they are not content with simply walking away. They must destroy the thing that reminds them of their failings.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 3:31:41 AM PST by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: SampleMan
People who have had a religiously based education and then reject religion appear to do so with much intensity. Like Satan himself, they are not content with simply walking away. They must destroy the thing that reminds them of their failings.

Maureen Dowd is realizing that she is a failure (and maybe regrets not being a mother); she is lashing back at herself for not really hearing what her religious educators were trying to tell her. She realizes that her life is empty in spite of her material possessions and prizes. What a shame!

5 posted on 11/03/2009 3:55:37 AM PST by olezip
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To: Scanian

God bless you Bishop Dolan.


6 posted on 11/03/2009 3:56:44 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: olezip
And that is why Maureen Dowd threads on FR inevitably attract Catherine Zeta Jones pictures ... Michael Douglas rejected MoDo for CZJ ... and had kids with her.

It seems to have put MoDo over the edge.

7 posted on 11/03/2009 3:59:13 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SampleMan

Wow..that was a pretty broad brush you just used...and equating those who grew up catholic and have since left the church with satan himself is downright unfair. I grew up catholic...went through all the ceremonies and even was confirmed. The rituals in the church, though lovely, left me wanting more of God. I wanted more than just rote prayers and symbolic gestures and rituals...which is all I ever saw in church in my youth. I left the church in my late teens...(this was shortly after my sister (14) was assaulted sexually by a visiting priest.) Church had been a big part of my life up until then...I was left disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the this man and those who chose to cover up his crime.

I wandered through life for a while wondering about God and this whole catholic thing...thinking as I was taught that I was going to hell because I no longer was in “the church”. I was condemned, according to what the church had taught me...I lived like a condemned person...with no hope.

Then one day I actually opened the Bible and read it..the whole thing...I found out that all the rituals and all the ceremonies and all the rote prayers were not what God required of me. All the posturing in church..the kneeling, standing, sitting nonsense was not what he required. (I found out there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.)

What he required of me was a repentant, contrite heart...not just feeling sorry at Saturday night confession and 3 hail Mary’s and I was good to go. He was calling me to a deeper walk with him. He required prayer that was from my heart...not prayer from memory (blathering away something someone else wrote). And He wanted me to hear His voice...not just talking to him ...but hearing back as well. Wow...that floored me...that the God of the universe wanted a relationship with me!! I decided to give my whole heart to God...I cast off the rituals and the ceremonies and got into the Bible and into prayer. I have never looked back.

I do not hold anything against those who choose to stay Catholic...it is their choice...but for me and my experience in the church...it just wasn’t enough. I want all I can get from Him. I speak to him everyday..and I do not need a priest to absolve me of my sin...I take it directly to the Father and he is faithful to forgive me. He hears me... I have rejected “religion” and have replaced it with a personal relationship with him. For me the trade was worth it...I do not belong to satan..nor do I do his bidding.


8 posted on 11/03/2009 4:09:30 AM PST by leenie312
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To: SampleMan
Like Satan himself, they are not content with simply walking away.

I think you're right. Also, they know deep down inside that they're wrong (as did Satan), so they need to crush any trace of the thing that reminds them of this.

9 posted on 11/03/2009 4:12:17 AM PST by livius
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To: leenie312

I don’t think you’re the type of person he was talking about! For one thing, you left because you were profoundly shocked by an evil thing that happened, not just because you wanted to do your own thing and were annoyed that the Church was making you feel guilty about it. Most people who Sample was talking about leave because they want to pursue some kind of evil (frequently sexual) and they have a real hatred of the Church for simply existing because it confronts them, even while they reject it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dowd has had abortions and this is the thing that is giving her a guilty conscience. But your case, and that of many people, is different.


10 posted on 11/03/2009 4:16:58 AM PST by livius
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To: leenie312
The Bible says to receive Holy Communion.."Do This in Memeory of ME".

You have let one bad priest keep you from the Eucharist???? YIKES!!

11 posted on 11/03/2009 4:18:19 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Wow Archbishop Dolan lays it out on the line. That comment about criticism of other faiths and cultures not being criticized for PC reasons is right on the money. He sounds like Mark Steyn or David Horowitz, and he is exactly right.


12 posted on 11/03/2009 4:21:59 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Ann Archy

The Bible says to receive Holy Communion..”Do This in Memory of ME”....nowhere does it say you have to have a catholic priest give it to you.

I take communion on a regular basis...with a church family of believers.


13 posted on 11/03/2009 4:27:29 AM PST by leenie312
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To: Ann Archy
You have let one bad priest keep you from the Eucharist???? YIKES!!

He had a very poignant story laying out the exact purpose and nature of Jesus and in one sentence just showed you totally missed it.

14 posted on 11/03/2009 4:29:43 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: Ann Archy

Oh...and it wasn’t just one bad priest...it was a conspiracy of priests...who allowed a 14 year old girl to be sexually assaulted and told her to keep her mouth shut...so as to not give the church a “black-eye”...our parish priest’s exact phrase. He defended the man who did it...said he was old and not in his right mind...etc. My parents were counseled by him to not press charges against the guy..that he would take care of it...put him in a place where he wouldn’t do anymore damage..my parents bought that line of crap...but we found out later he was back in his own parish immediately and stayed there with his filthy hands handing out the Eucharist until he died 3 years later. My parents were counseled to never mention the incident again...and they didn’t ...so my sister was left with that pile of crap to deal with...without the help of anyone. And years later when my sister went back to our parish priest to seek his help in dealing with her pain...he told her “just forget about it...it was all in the past”....A priest...we were taught, was a representative of Christ here on earth....my sister still has a problem with God...can you blame her?


15 posted on 11/03/2009 4:40:49 AM PST by leenie312
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To: Scanian

Archbishop Dolan might want to change what he has said. Instead of calling Maureen Dowd anti-Catholic it would be more appropriate to call her a Christophobe.


16 posted on 11/03/2009 4:48:12 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: leenie312
"...my sister still has a problem with God...can you blame her?"

Dirty little secret, you don't need a bureaucracy between you and God. I pray she finds a way to reconnect with God. I know I'll be flamed by all of the "my way or the highway zealots," but I've seen God's miracles happen hundreds of times with no church involvement.

17 posted on 11/03/2009 4:48:49 AM PST by liberateUS
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To: leenie312
Yes......"Forgive our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".

EVERYONE has to answer to God for actions taken.......EVERYONE.

18 posted on 11/03/2009 5:01:08 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: liberateUS

I agree....I see some glimmers of hope..we have talked a lot about what happened...now that she is older and more open to it. I have witnessed to her about the power of God to heal...not just physically...but healing the whole man...emotions etc. I see it happening...but it can be a long road. She hid it for years...the pain is buried deep....But God can do ALL thing...nothing is impossible for him...even restoring the brokenhearted.


19 posted on 11/03/2009 5:05:13 AM PST by leenie312
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To: Scanian

We miss Archbishop Dolan in Milwaukee.

He is a great holy man with a wonderful way with people.

He will make an impact in New York,

God Bless him!


20 posted on 11/03/2009 5:14:17 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: leenie312
I do not hold anything against those who choose to stay Catholic...

Interesting statement, coming as it did, after four paragraphs of repudiating Catholic practices. Sadly you've mistaken practices and rituals for faith, while accusing others of the same, and human failings for doctrinal failings. Kneeling is a sign of reverence, yet it is among the things your seemingly reject. Do you actually think God dislikes kneeling?

And for the record, Priests witness and affirm absolution. To say that you don't need a priest to be forgiven is a straw man set up. Catholicism does not teach that a man alone on an island is condemned to hell for the inability to practice.

21 posted on 11/03/2009 5:14:29 AM PST by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: livius

Also, they know deep down inside that they’re wrong (as did Satan)....

um..Satan does not think he is wrong...which is the whole problem..He thinks he is right...he has no conscience that tells him he is wrong...he is full of self righteousness and pride, arrogance and haughtiness....he thinks he can do it all without God...that he himself is God and in no need of improvement or repentance. Just sayin....


22 posted on 11/03/2009 5:17:29 AM PST by leenie312
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To: leenie312
I am sorry to hear about your experience with the Church.

I am a practicing Catholic,and believe it or not I too read the Bible. Imagine that!

I know what you mean when it comes to people being hypocrites in the Church. I don't let that muddy up the waters for me and affect my relationship with Christ.

I don't really blame you for being so distraught and let down by the personal incident that you went through. I do hope that you can forgive the Church for that one day.

I don't think that it helps that you were not catechized properly. If you really feel like the things that we do are just rituals and not a way to bring us even more closer to God, than you were not taught by the best. If you also feel like you were confessing to the priest and not to Christ, that is another red flag that your educators stunk! It's a huge red flag that your parish would allow such a heinous thing to happen to your sister and proceed to do nothing about it.

This is why we lose people. Some parish's just stink!

I hope that you stop using your broad brush and quit painting all of our parish's with it. I can tell you that my Church is awesome! If it were not for them I would probably be gone as well.

23 posted on 11/03/2009 5:57:47 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: SampleMan

I repudiated catholic practices...not Catholics who practice them. I have nothing against them whatsoever...They choose their own path...I have chosen mine.

I do not dislike kneeling...but what I do mind is someone telling me I have to kneel...I kneel before God when my heart and his Spirit move me to kneel...I stand and praise him...when his Spirit moves me to stand and praise...I fall prostrate before him in worship when my heart and his Spirit move me to. I do not need a program to tell me...okay...it is time to reverence God...so kneel. There is no freedom in that. It no longer is a spontaneous...”oh how I love you dear Jesus time”...it becomes a “well, this is the time to kneel because everyone else is doing it time”. To me that just doesn’t seem sincere and from the heart.

Jesus is the high Priest...there is no one on the planet that is between him and me...I do not need another to absolve me of sin or to witness my absolution. Christ’s blood did that for me at Calvary...it is all I need. He is the only priest I need. I can confess my sin to another person...but that does not remove the sin...(it may move that person to pray for me) but only the blood of Jesus can cleanse it. Why put someone between you and Him...when he tells us to come directly to him?

As for condemnation...you might want to speak to the sisters who taught me then...I even had one tell me when I was 7 that I was going to hell because she did not see me in church the past Sunday....a heavy pronouncement on a little girl...I was horrified. I walked in fear and condemnation for many, many years. I held onto that curse spoken over me until Jesus broke it off me. But thank God I found out that Perfect Love casts out all fear.


24 posted on 11/03/2009 5:59:59 AM PST by leenie312
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

I have known many God fearing Catholics... as well as many who are Catholics on Sunday and for the rest of the week live like hell...as for my parish and those who taught me..well I agree...they were lacking God’s grace for sure. I was taught form and not relationship..

Things have gotten worse there...I just found out that my home parish is sponsoring a Christmas program where beer and wine will be served. Imagine that?...getting drunk in Church!! The program will of course be held in the same place the weekly AA meetings are held...talk about hypocrisy. And the present priest installed there is a seriously “light in the loafers”...it is unbelievable. he did my father’s funeral...I was just floored at how effeminate he was....and I couldn’t help thinking, in the back of my head, about what was happening behind closed doors there. I shudder at the thought.

I am so glad you are doing well where you are and that you are happy. My point in answering the first post was that just because I left does not mean I am following satan.


25 posted on 11/03/2009 6:14:16 AM PST by leenie312
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To: olezip

The childless bitter liberal female; this has almost become an archetype in our society! What Maureen needs to act on and realize is that the Episcopal Church welcomes her and she needs to evacuate and move on!


26 posted on 11/03/2009 6:18:09 AM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: leenie312

Your former parish sounds like a real swell place. I don’t blame you for being disheartened!


27 posted on 11/03/2009 6:30:45 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: leenie312
He defended the man who did it...said he was old and not in his right mind...etc.

How old was he?

28 posted on 11/03/2009 6:38:46 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Tribune7

I think he was in his late 60’s...seems I recall he was 68


29 posted on 11/03/2009 6:44:31 AM PST by leenie312
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To: leenie312

at the time he was ancient to me..( I was only 15)


30 posted on 11/03/2009 6:45:41 AM PST by leenie312
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To: SampleMan
Why...attack the church

In the Beatitudes, Jesus said that we should consider ourselves blessed when people persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Him. "Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in heaven. In the same way they persecuted the prophets who preceded you."

Why? Because you bear testimony to Jesus.

31 posted on 11/03/2009 6:51:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: leenie312
Oh...and it wasn’t just one bad priest...it was a conspiracy of priests...who allowed a 14 year old girl to be sexually assaulted and told her to keep her mouth shut...so as to not give the church a “black-eye”...our parish priest’s exact phrase. He defended the man who did it...said he was old and not in his right mind...etc. My parents were counseled by him to not press charges against the guy..that he would take care of it...put him in a place where he wouldn’t do anymore damage..my parents bought that line of crap...but we found out later he was back in his own parish immediately and stayed there with his filthy hands handing out the Eucharist until he died 3 years later. My parents were counseled to never mention the incident again...and they didn’t ...so my sister was left with that pile of crap to deal with...without the help of anyone. And years later when my sister went back to our parish priest to seek his help in dealing with her pain...he told her “just forget about it...it was all in the past”....A priest...we were taught, was a representative of Christ here on earth....my sister still has a problem with God...can you blame her?

As I've stated elsewhere, the real scandal in the Catholic Church wasn't the sexual abuse, but that 66% of Catholic bishops covered for the 4% of sexual predators among Catholic clergy. Their actions negatively affected 95% of the dioceses in the United States. Their actions cost the Catholic Church over three billion dollars paid in settlements and awards to the victims. Two-thirds of the bishops. Roughly the same percentage that chose not to speak out when Notre Dame honored Obama last spring. Coincidence?

Related threads:
The Bishops Who Speak... And Those Who Don't
So how many bishops back Notre Dame now?
Kneeling Before the World [Catholic Caucus]
Immunity, Denied (Catholic Caucus)
Sixth Circuit: Vatican Can Be Sued for Sexual Abuse

[Faithful Departed author Philip] Lawler points out that while less than five percent of American priests have been accused of sexual abuse, some two-thirds of our bishops were apparently complicit in cover-ups. The real scandal isn't the sick excesses of a few dozen pedophiles, or even the hundreds of priests who had affairs with teenage boys -- the bulk of abuse cases. No, according to Lawler, it is the malfeasance of wealthy, powerful, and evidently worldly men who fill the thrones -- but not the shoes -- of the apostles. In case after case, we read in their correspondence, in the records of their soulless, bureaucratic responses to victims of psychic torture and spiritual betrayal, these bishops' prime concern was to save the infrastructure, the bricks and mortar and mortgages. Ironically, their lack of a supernatural concern for souls is precisely what cost them so much money in the end.

32 posted on 11/03/2009 6:57:05 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: SampleMan

Which school did she go to as well? Some of them rarely or never reflect biblical truth. It’s more about the liberal feel good of the day.


33 posted on 11/03/2009 7:30:13 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: leenie312
I agree....I see some glimmers of hope..we have talked a lot about what happened...now that she is older and more open to it. I have witnessed to her about the power of God to heal...not just physically...but healing the whole man...emotions etc. I see it happening...but it can be a long road. She hid it for years...the pain is buried deep....But God can do ALL thing...nothing is impossible for him...even restoring the brokenhearted.

You reminded me of a series of devotionals that I'd posted many years ago. You and your sister may find some value in them.

These letters are taken from a collection of Francis Schaeffer's letters, published by Crossways Books shortly after his death. In my "formative" years as a new Christian, this book was a profound influence on my thinking, and my working through what it meant to be a Christian living in a fallen world. Schaeffer's words, more than once, proved an immense comfort when I was deep in despair. I thought these letters would make good devotional-style material for the Religion Forum.

Fortunately, instead of having to type book excerpts by hand, I discovered a website that has reprinted seventeen of the letters from his book. Earthly duties permitting, I plan to post one each day and hope that each of you will benefit from a brief glimpse into the mind and heart of Francis A. Schaeffer.

Letter One: The Reawakening of Spiritual Reality
Letter Two: Gradually My Thinking Has Changed
Letter Three: On Resting
Letter Four: A Root Planted in a Garden
Letter Five: On Sickness
Letter Six: The Art of Spiritual Growth
Letter Seven: No Perfect People, Physically or Psychologically
Letter Eight: Being Angry at God
Letter Nine: Something with Both Usefulness and Beauty
Letter Ten: On Knowing the Presence of God
Letter Eleven: Imperfection and the Continuing Work of Christ
Letter Twelve: Spiritual Battles Draw Real Blood
Letter Thirteen: Times of Strength and Times of Weakness
Letter Fourteen: Salvation, Works and Grace, Eternal Security, and the Sacraments
Letter Fifteen: Do Not Be Afraid of the Past
Letter Sixteen: Everything Is Spiritual Because God Made Everything
Letter Seventeen: Quiet In the Presence of God

34 posted on 11/03/2009 7:31:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: xzins

Yes, if people are doing something serious with Jesus Christ in their lives, they are devil bait.


35 posted on 11/03/2009 7:32:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: leenie312

Your story is a very personal story.

I personally believe that Christ can speak to Christians in different ways. My story is just the opposite, of a myriad of protestant denominations leaving me feeling betrayed by those churches.

After marrying a Catholic, I converted about four years after our marriage, after praying and studying for years. I’m not a perfect Christian and not a perfect Catholic...and it’s that way for all of us. I strive to be stronger.

I’m grateful you have found Christ and that is most important. Some that have been through what your sister and family have been through have rejected God outright.

Prayers out for your sister and you, as well as your family. May your faith in Christ be strong.


36 posted on 11/03/2009 7:50:41 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: leenie312
I feel very distressed at your awful, painful experience of injustice at the hands of judas priests. God is just, and the fitst to be judged will be His Church.

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." 1 Peter 4:17

37 posted on 11/03/2009 8:08:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Alex Murphy
I remember about 5 years ago when "Donna," a devout Catholic friend, phoned and told me about the John Jay College's published conclusion that over 60% of the Catholic Bishops had quietly reassigned and/or paid some kind of hush money to shield abusive priests fom criminal prosecution. We cried together over the phone --- anger, shame, disgust --- and then e-mailed each other when more of the details came out, and cried again.

Thee is no way to "go on" in the face of such crimes except to remember that God, with his all-seeing eyes and perfect judgment, will judge His Church.

It calls to mind so many heart-rending episodes in the past. That at one point every Bishop in Catholic England --- every one of them --- abandoned the Catholic faith except for St. John Fisher. And that at one earlier point every Apostle betrayed, denied, or abandoned Our Lord --- except for St. John at the foot of the Cross.

38 posted on 11/03/2009 8:28:02 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God." 1 Peter 4:17)
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To: Scanian

The gray lifeless “lady” has just seen the opening of a nasty war they will lose. Dolan is NO ordinary go along to get along Catholic Bishop of New York. He was put in office by the Pope specifically to do what he has just done. Expect more of this not less if the smug bastards on 42nd street want to keep this shiite up.


39 posted on 11/03/2009 8:57:02 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Scanian; markomalley
"He singled out Dowd -- a poison-penned, Pulitzer winner and former Catholic-school girl -- for "the most combustible," "intemperate and scurrilous" "diatribe" she wrote on Oct. 25..."

What a surprise. A bishop with some backbone and chutzpah.
Nobody would have expected it...


40 posted on 11/03/2009 8:59:42 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ArrogantBustard

41 posted on 11/03/2009 9:04:08 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance
Let's just drive M0D0 into a pure hissing, screeching fit.


42 posted on 11/03/2009 9:11:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
<dowd>Ahh! Ahh! It burns! It burns!</dowd>
43 posted on 11/03/2009 12:07:06 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: leenie312

There is a family in my Lutheran parish with a similar story. One of their kids was abused, and they were told it was better for them to suffer than for the diocese to have the scandal. In the end, the diocese went bankrupt.

I wish I could say this was just a Catholic thing, but it is not. Look at all the abuse that goes on in schools sometimes, and how many of the teachers bounce around from school to school.


44 posted on 11/03/2009 4:56:29 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Scanian

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45 posted on 11/05/2009 6:22:56 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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