Posted on 11/03/2009 3:09:53 AM PST by Scanian
The shortage of swine-flu vaccine results not from drug- company greed or outsize demand but almost entirely from the government's decision to pander to unfounded and unscientific fear.
As The Wall Street Journal reported last week, the US government set out to have the H1N1 vaccine produced largely in single-dose syringes -- a demand that has set back production considerably, because multidose vials are far easier to make.
And the only reason to seek single-dose production was to please people needlessly worried about the preservative thimerasol, which is used to provide multiple doses of the vaccine. The fear -- utterly groundless and repeatedly debunked is that thimerasol can cause autism and other neurological disorders in infants and other young children.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
I call BS. This is manufactured and I can guarantee there is an adequate supply for those deemed “important”. We, the cake eaters... How dare they let people die while they go on a world tour and feast.
There fixed it.
either way this plays out this is a preview of Obamacare.
Really? So the government wants to "please" people...
Uh, I think that pretty much is what the article is saying.
thimerasol is 50% mercury. that cannot be good for your body. and they use it only to save costs.
Of course 0bama made sure there was enough for the detainees at Club Gitmo.
Oh I agree, and I think the gov’t knows how bad it is and doesn’t want any liability for what it may/may not do to us but more importantly to our children.
Just the fact that they removed it from other vaccines speaks volumes.
They don’t care so much about “pleasing” as they do covering their own butts.
And the amount of thimerasol in the vaccine is minute (in the range of 1-10 ppm). Once diluted in the body, its effect is negligible. The autism connection has been examined repeatedly, and found to be nonexistent.
ALAR all over again.
This guy doesn’t make sense. Number one, the first vaccine to be distributed was the mist...and it doesn’t contain thimerasol. Number two, some H1N1 shots are being produced w/out thimerasol, but not all.
I really didn’t understand what he was ranting about, and he didn’t have his facts straight.
nd finally as one
Obama himself may as well be administering the vaccine as far as I'm concerned.
Hmmmmm.....”promulgated” ... I must be channeling Henry Kissinger this morning!
I agree, it’s all BS. Ginned up hype to create a demand for a questionable, possibly dangerous untested vaccination, which in the end will do more harm than good. One wonders if the intent is to cripple the population to the point where there’s another health care crisis created as a result of it. Don’t put anything beyond a Communist regime like the one running the US....for the moment...
Hey c’mon guys how could you all let this one slip by?
BUSH’S FAULT!!!
If it's been removed then why are they still blaming Thimerisol for Autism?
Why You Can’t Get Flu Vaccine
1) We are giving it prisoners in Guantanamo Bay
2) We are giving 10% of the deliveries to foreign nations under a UN program
3) It is being run by the gov’t
Yet, despite this technological ability to adapt quickly to a pandemic threat, our system has been hamstrung by pseudoscience evangelists
I’m not a scientist and don’t pretend to be one. I don’t have any answers on any of it, only opinions. I’m not convinced on the thimerasol/autism link..... there’s still too many questions for me. The only continual link I could even vaguely imagine is perhaps mothers that took vaccines with Thimerasol sometime in their lives passed it through to their babies...???
Autism is real, we all know that. Could it be that it’s in the genes? Some children are more susceptible to chemicals than others? Is that why some children/adults who get the H1N1 die and others get a mild case?
Can research be done about the differences in our ancestry and race to determine who might be more at risk without a backlash of “racism” or “genocide” being thrown around? Is it even possible? Didn’t research confirm red headed people are harder to “put under” or “numb up” for medical/dental procedures? What about the RH factor test?
If I had to venture a guess, I’d say it’s in the genes... but then again, I’m no scientist.
:O)
there’s lots of killer chemicals in the flu shots.
Personally I think they were found out and had to make up another batch, not as deadly. imho
People trying to put the blame on Thimerisol for a problem that has, IMO, a myriad of causes is just a way to blame drug companies because they have money.
Not only that, but a lot of people with autistic children are looking to the govt. for aid. I read a letter to the editor recently where a women claims it costs the local school system $150k/year to "teach" her autistic daughter. Waste aside that number is ridiculous.
Add to all that that the diagnosis is much broader than it's ever been and you can see that it's about grabbing money. For every spectrum of the "autism crisis" - from the drug companies and the taxpayer.
Do you realize that there is a difference between ethyl-mercury and methyl-mercury? One will kill you, one passes harmlessly through the body. Guess which one they use for thiomersol?
It’s a government run program, of course it is a fuster cluck.
The only thing to government can produce in quantities is debt, unemployment, BS and cheese.
The H1N1 ‘pandemic’ is not about H1N1. It’s about providing an excuse to declare a ‘national emergency’ which gives the federal gov’t far-reaching power and control over the people.
The economic stimulus bill was not about economic stimulus.
The health care reform bill is not about health care.
The global climate conference next month in Denmark is not about the global climate.
Agreed! Since they knew they were going to push this vaccine, they didn’t want a repeat of the 1973 swine flu debacle when numerous people had severe side effects to the shot.
Is this guy’s organization related to the food police - “Center for Science in the Public Interest”?
True, I eat some every day.
They've stuck a fancy name on though...Warfarin aka Coumadin.
Any amount of ingested Mercury is bad for you. It does not leave your body and will affect your mental abilities.
The article completely missed, or ignored, the role of Hillary Clinton. In 1993 they passed her Vaccines for Children Program which undercut manufacturer’s pricing (as the price was set by the Feds), and drove many vaccine manufacturers out of business. We now only have 5-6 vaccine makers, and they can not scale up adequately for fast production. What’s the old saying, “Putting all of your eggs in one basket”… Thank you Hillary.
We bypassed the whole vaccine issue by coming down with the flu.
There - problem solved.
Well the fact that they release some live virus to create the caccine in the first place tells me ALLL seasonal flu strains are likely manufactured. Whatta scam!
Toxicology (WIKIPEDIA)
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin (EC hazard symbol T+), with a danger of cumulative effects. When applied to human nerve cells it changes cell membrane permeability and induces programmed cell death.[8] It is also very toxic to aquatic organisms and may cause long-term adverse effects in aquatic environments (EC hazard symbol N).[9] In the body, it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury (C2H5Hg+) and thiosalicylate.[2]
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown. Fecal excretion accounts for most of the elimination from the body. Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-time of about 18 days, and from the brain in about 14 days. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer clearance, at least 120 days; it appears to be much less toxic than the inorganic mercury produced from mercury vapor, for reasons not yet understood.[10]
Risk assessment for effects on the nervous system have been made by extrapolating from dose-response relationships for methylmercury.[10] Methylmercury and ethylmercury distributes to all body tissues, crossing the blood-brain barrier and the placental barrier, and ethylmercury also moves freely throughout the body.[11] Concerns based on extrapolations from methylmercury caused thiomersal to be removed from U.S. childhood vaccines, starting in 1999. Since then, it has been found that ethylmercury is cleared from the body and the brain significantly faster than methylmercury, so the late-1990s risk assessments turned out to be overly conservative.[10] A 2008 study found that the half-life of blood mercury after vaccination averages 3.7 days for newborns and infants, much shorter than the 44 days for methylmercury.[12]
I do not buy the autism link (broad spectrum of autism covers dozens of “disorders”, including fuzzy thinking before coffee). But I do not want mercury metabolytes in my system, thank you.
I've got news for you---you ALREADY have "mercury metabolites" in your system. Every organism on planet earth does, because mercury, like every other element, is part of the natural environment. The body is already set up to handle it, which is why low doses have no effect. The thing to avoid is overloading those natural removal mechanisms.
Ye flippin' gods. I guess they don't teach medical researchers any chemistry these days. The reason that inorganic mercury is cleared more slowly is due to the fact that it is far less soluble in the blood stream than an organo-substituted mercury, with (organic)2Hg clearing the fastest, (organic)HgCl slower, and HgCl2 slowest of all.
But that is also the reason that it is less toxic.
This guy should join the global warming team. He is so certain and so angry anyone would question is closed mind with conflicting research results. He will be a great little fascist in Obamacare.
For every study that says there is no connection, there is just as many that says there is or that the results are in-conclusive.
Given the great job that the Government has done with the post office, medicare, medicaid, etc..... do we really want to take thier word about anything.
To Quote R. Reagan "Trust, but verify." My point of view they are completely lacking in veracity.
Sorry, but wrong. The vast majority of studies show no effect. Multiple meta-studies have been repeatedly done showing that there is no effect. The "yes there is an effect" position is being "ginned up" by class-action lawyers looking to make a killing like they did for cigarettes.
"Given the great job that the Government has done with the post office, medicare, medicaid, etc..... do we really want to take thier word about anything."
Many of these studies are done by entities other than government. At some point, you have to trust the competence of researchers.
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