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Blue State Exodus: Why the middle-class are fleeing for the hills
Forbes ^ | 11/3/2009 | Joel Kotkin

Posted on 11/03/2009 6:54:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind

For the past decade a large coterie of pundits, prognosticators and their media camp followers have insisted that growth in America would be concentrated in places hip and cool, largely the bluish regions of the country.

Since the onset of the recession, which has hit many once-thriving Sun Belt hot spots, this chorus has grown bolder. The Wall Street Journal, for example, recently identified the "Next Youth-Magnet Cities" as drawn from the old "hip and cool" collection of yore: Seattle, Portland, Washington, New York and Austin, Texas.

It's not just the young who will flock to the blue meccas, but money and business as well, according to narrative. The future, the Atlantic assured its readers, did not belong to the rubes in the suburbs or Sun Belt, but to high-density, high-end places like New York, San Francisco and Boston.

This narrative, which has not changed much over the past decade, is misleading and largely misstated. Net migration, both before and after the Great Recession, according to analysis by the Praxis Strategy Group, has continued to be strongest to predominately red states of the South and Intermountain West.

This seems true even for those seeking high-end jobs. Between 2006 and 2008, the metropolitan areas that enjoyed the fastest percentage shift toward educated professional workers and industries included nominally "unhip" places like Indianapolis, Charlotte, N.C., Memphis, Tenn., Salt Lake City, Jacksonville, Fla., Tampa, Fla., and Kansas City, Mo.

The overall migration numbers are even more revealing. As was the case for much of the past decade, the biggest gainers continue to include cities such as San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. Rather than being oases for migrants, some oft-cited magnets such as New York, Boston, Los Angeles and Chicago have all suffered considerable loss of population to other regions over the past year.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluestate; middleclass; taxes

1 posted on 11/03/2009 6:54:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Who the hell goes to Boston or Chicago looking for work these days?

Those rat-holes are in massive debt, and the taxes, fees, regulations and other democrat penalties are in full effect therein.

Those towns are a fool's paradise.

2 posted on 11/03/2009 6:57:18 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like a T-shirt I saw once said, it’s all fun and games till they call the cops.


3 posted on 11/03/2009 6:57:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They shouldn’t have ANY California cities on that list (except maybe gays flocking to San Francisco regardless of their ability to thrive financially). The Golden State is turning brass and businesses are fleeing in a bid to stay financially stable.


4 posted on 11/03/2009 7:00:59 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is that this leaves the “hip” blue locations even more solidly blue, but the migrants to formerly thriving red locations tend to bring their failed liberal democrat policies with them as if to say “Wow, just thing how much more better you conservative locations would have been than the liberal locations if you had run the government with liberal policies.”


5 posted on 11/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: GI Joe Fan

obama’s aunt zeituni went to boston- but she wasn’t looking for work


6 posted on 11/03/2009 7:01:26 AM PST by silverleaf (Ours is the only country on earth with a ventriloquist dummy for President)
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To: SeekAndFind
I remember reading an article -- I think by David Brooks -- raving about Burlington, Vt. I stopped there and found myself thinking what a complete dump with crappy restaurants, poor parking, and unlike bookstores in Pa. and Delaware you needed a key to use the restroom.

Hippies not only stink they are screwups.

7 posted on 11/03/2009 7:04:14 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The terrible irony is that many liberals will leave their leftist hell holes for red states, bringing their catastrophic voting habits with them.
8 posted on 11/03/2009 7:05:55 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is, those that flee the “Blue States” come to the “Red States” but never stop to examine the reasons they left. The “Blue State” refugees continue to vote for liberal dims. The result is a state like NC or Florida becoming a “Blue State”.


9 posted on 11/03/2009 7:06:19 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Drive around any of the big cities in Texas and you will see lots of out of state plates. Not just the normal visitors from OK,ARK or LA. Starting to see more Wisconsin, Illinois, Cali, Arizona, New York, Ohio, Florida and New Jersey.


10 posted on 11/03/2009 7:08:16 AM PST by Texas resident ( Doing my part to piss off the heathen left.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I hope these people realize what caused their states to go broke and lose jobs.


11 posted on 11/03/2009 7:08:28 AM PST by scooby321
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s easy economics.

Blue states - tax the wealthy and give everything away, incourage corruption, punish incentive. Spend tax money on frivilous programs that have no quantitave means of measuring success.

Red States - run the state with fiscal responsibility as the primary goal. Programs are monitored and streamlined. Taxes are kept low, and businesses flourish.

So, when an economy hits a depression; we have the Blue States like California, New York and Michigan that are facing bankruptcy - while Red States like Texas and Utah are still doing pretty darn well.


12 posted on 11/03/2009 7:08:38 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Like locusts they move in and influence local and then regional politics. Solid Red areas like Charlotte and Birmingham and shading towards purple as liberals from places like Baltimore, Philly and Long Island move there. What's left in the previous areas are yes trendy metro-sexual Sons and Daughters of rich parents who after sowing oats and getting married move and infect other areas. Those “Redeveloped” areas which are basically overpriced condos and Jamba Juice franchises revert back to crapholes as the kids move out and are replaced with illegals and the urban vampire class.
13 posted on 11/03/2009 7:10:01 AM PST by pburgh01
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Good examples. I can’t fathom why they would continue on this so-called idealistic view, as it is frought with unintended consequences—if they could see beyond their noses it would help.
14 posted on 11/03/2009 7:10:01 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: scooby321

They don’t.

Inherent in liberalism is a total blindspot for consequences and tradeoffs.


15 posted on 11/03/2009 7:10:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Texas resident
Drive around any of the big cities in Texas and you will see lots of out of state plates. Not just the normal visitors from OK,ARK or LA. Starting to see more Wisconsin, Illinois, Cali, Arizona, New York, Ohio, Florida and New Jersey.

Thats what I see in Kansas too. Only for a different reason. They're all Kansans but they tag their vehicles in other states to evade the criminally high personal property tax if they were to tag them in Kansas.
16 posted on 11/03/2009 7:12:07 AM PST by Overtaxed Patriot (Lock and load)
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To: SeekAndFind

Extremely important thread about blue/red results in the states:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2376250/posts?page=175

California vs. Texas: The Verdict Is In


17 posted on 11/03/2009 7:12:10 AM PST by txhurl (It's only a matter of time before FreeRepublic has this fraud's scalp on our lodge pole.)
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To: GI Joe Fan

Yeah,
I can see lots of Floridians retiring to Chicago.
Specially about November or December.


18 posted on 11/03/2009 7:12:43 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: pburgh01

EXACTLY!!!!

My neighborhood, in the suburbs of Philadelphia, is being infected by Democrats fleeing Philadelphia. Why are they fleeing Philadelphia? It has been ruined by Democrats!!!!


19 posted on 11/03/2009 7:14:25 AM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: MBB1984

“The terrible irony is that many liberals will leave their leftist hell holes for red states, bringing their catastrophic voting habits with them. “

Ain’t that the truth? We have two blue counties now in Utah because of these a-hoes. Flee their hellholes and immediately try to re-create the same thing elsewhere.


20 posted on 11/03/2009 7:16:37 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

... and colorado.


21 posted on 11/03/2009 7:16:41 AM PST by katykelly
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To: SeekAndFind
"For the past decade a large coterie of pundits, prognosticators and their media camp followers have insisted that growth in America would be concentrated in places hip and cool, largely the bluish regions of the country."

Not sure about that; seems like they are pouring into Georgia, SC and TN by the tens of thousands.

22 posted on 11/03/2009 7:17:48 AM PST by two23 (The czars in the WH are commies)
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To: SeekAndFind

Living in the countryside outside of Seattle,I can tell you that people are definitely not “flocking to the urban oasis that is Seattle. Quite the opposite. Seattle is steadily getting worse and worse and I would bet it’s population is actually declining.


23 posted on 11/03/2009 7:25:29 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberal/left politics ruin everything they touch.


24 posted on 11/03/2009 7:25:36 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: MBB1984
"The terrible irony is that many liberals will leave their leftist hell holes for red states, bringing their catastrophic voting habits with them."

It's getting bad here, bad enough that we're talking about leaving. We moved here to get away from Blue State Syndrome. I guess, our handout lines are shorter than those in NY, NJ and South FL.

If they are coming here, even for menial jobs, there aren't any, so now what?

25 posted on 11/03/2009 7:26:02 AM PST by two23 (The czars in the WH are commies)
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To: Tribune7

I’m not crazy about the politics in Burlington )or VT in general) but you are wrong about the restaurants they are as good as any I have enjoyed in Montreal and Boston. In fact many of the chefs are those who fled the larger cities for a quieter life.

BTW, the bathroom key thing is because of all the gay sex going on in there. Pigs.


26 posted on 11/03/2009 7:32:52 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: GI Joe Fan
The primary reasons young people head to the cities are culture and cash. By "culture" in this context, I don't mean the museums and the theater, although there are those attractions, but nightlife and music and a significantly higher chance of "hooking up" than that which obtains further afield.

In addition, whatever employment one does find in the cities commands a much higher salary than elsewhere; it is not unusual for an administrative assistant in Manhattan to earn upwards of $60K a year. Of course, the salary premium comes with a price: your studio apartment might cost $1500 a month, and that's in a marginal neighborhood. And the taxes, naturally are out of sight.

27 posted on 11/03/2009 7:37:09 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: VRWCmember
"The problem is that this leaves the “hip” blue locations even more solidly blue, but the migrants to formerly thriving red locations tend to bring their failed liberal democrat policies with them as if to say “Wow, just thing how much more better you conservative locations would have been than the liberal locations if you had run the government with liberal policies.” "

This has always been the problem...liberals are attracted to "red areas" like roaches to bread crumbs, as are criminals...but then, I repeat myself.

But the "mean", "eelfish" conservatives always step back and allow them to not only move in and mooch, but to change all the rules to suit the interlopers.

It's happened all over the south as northern transplants migrate here and "insist" that we do it like they did it in big, wonderul cities like Detroit and Chicago.

Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"? Can we not just say "NO" to the invaders who want to make our states and cities a "little piece of home". They don't realize that the policies they espouse for us, are the same ones that led to the demise of their own cities and forced them to move here.

The "incrementalism" is going at warp speed.
28 posted on 11/03/2009 7:37:19 AM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

We see the ‘fleeing’ liberals diluting the conservative vote here in Virginia...saw it in Colorado when we lived there between 2000 and 2003. I place part of the blame on the brain-dead Republican party...if the GOP sees this happening in a formerly right-tilting area they should initiate an aggressive ad campaign. Some will not listen but others, having just packed up and moved with all the dislocation that involves, might be salvageable. For pete’s sake, at least try.


29 posted on 11/03/2009 7:37:28 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: SeekAndFind

When I read the headline I imagined, silly me, that the article was going to be about suburbanites becoming fearful about the economic climate and moving to the real hills (and forests and valleys and mountains) to lead a more rural life. Sort of like what I’m trying to contrive.


30 posted on 11/03/2009 7:38:17 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: MBB1984
""""The terrible irony is that many liberals will leave their leftist hell holes for red states, bringing their catastrophic voting habits with them."""""........

Do you sometimes wonder if their moving is for the purpose of changing the politics of the Red States??? Some I am sure move to escape the high Taxes, but I may be paranoid in thinking the liberals simply move to spoil our elections.

There are a lot of MOBILE liberal voters, (welfare) who see moving as an adventure and they really don't care where they live as long as it is FREE. These can be shooed out of a Blue state to a Red state just for that purpose.

31 posted on 11/03/2009 7:40:35 AM PST by annieokie (i)
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To: GI Joe Fan; SeekAndFind
Who the hell goes to Boston or Chicago looking for work these days?

In Chicago, we are drawing from WI., MI., IN., & IA. When I ask tenants why they've moved here they usually tell me that it's because there is no opportunity where they came from.

The big question is as the population moves south and northwest will they take their liberal Rat voting pattern with them. If so there's not much point in going there and those of us in the Rat dominated areas are better off trying to change them. If not relocation is the best option.

32 posted on 11/03/2009 7:44:58 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: GI Joe Fan
I met a wonderful woman, moved to Roswell, NM. We built a 75 by 35' greenhouse........Now I have people asking me to go back to corporate flying for several oil companies..

It is crazy I don't need a Nanny / bluestate, I just need to be left on my own.

There is a concept, Americans making their own way.

33 posted on 11/03/2009 7:48:35 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The jerks move to conservative states and then vote liberal. That’s my gripe.


34 posted on 11/03/2009 7:53:02 AM PST by Hattie
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To: Straight Vermonter
I was just there for a couple of hours around lunchtime so I'll happily defer to your knowledge with regard to the culinary environment.
35 posted on 11/03/2009 7:54:50 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: FrankR

I would favor a four-year waiting period before immigrants moving from leftist blue states to conservative red states can register to vote. Let them assimilate a bit before they try to bring their failed policies to my state.


36 posted on 11/03/2009 7:55:17 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: SeekAndFind

sounds familiar....political leaders in Pittsburgh keep claiming that the things which prevent us from attracting the “creative class” (and hence crimping our economic growth) are, in no particular order:

- lack of overpriced loft housing in the downtown area
- lack of public funding for avant-garde theater companies
- not gay-friendly enough
- not charging a congestion tax to drive into downtown
- lack of a green sustainable bike path connecting the Airport with the University neighborhoods
- bus and light rail service are not free
- not enough street mimes
- not enough drag queens
- no law requiring Primanti Brothers to post detailed nutritional data on their menu
- not enough really hip cutting-edge clubs to attract West Coast and European acts sure to offend the large local Catholic community
- still coal mining going on within a 50 mile radius


37 posted on 11/03/2009 7:58:17 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: FrankR; VRWCmember
Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"? Can we not just say "NO" to the invaders who want to make our states and cities a "little piece of home".

Do you think it might have something to do with conservatives being polite?

I live in liberal Chicago. The libs are not polite. They are rude and have no qualms about offending anyone who disagrees with their PC religion. I can always tell which tenants are from rural environments and which grew up in the affluent liberal suburbs. The tenants from conservative areas are almost always more polite.

38 posted on 11/03/2009 7:58:45 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights; FrankR
Whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"?

Forget about "when in Rome"; how about "Don't piss in the well that you and others have to drink out of!"

39 posted on 11/03/2009 8:02:57 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember; FrankR
Forget about "when in Rome"; how about "Don't piss in the well that you and others have to drink out of!"

I don't think you understand the lib mindset. They don't care about anyone else. It's all about them. I argued with a lot of 0 supporters before the election and when I talked about taxes the answer I almost always got was "I don't care, I'm getting a tax cut, the rich are going to pay".

IOW, they infest conservative areas and don't care what you think. If something benefits them and they don't have to pay for it they support it. They don't care if you lose your freedom, govt gets out of control and jobs are lost as long as they have what they want.

40 posted on 11/03/2009 8:17:51 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
I don't think you understand the lib mindset.

Oh I understand it all too well. They don't care that they are pissing in the well that they drink out of too. As long as you have to drink their piss in your water, they are happy.

41 posted on 11/03/2009 8:20:43 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
"I would favor a four-year waiting period before immigrants moving from leftist blue states to conservative red states can register to vote. Let them assimilate a bit before they try to bring their failed policies to my state. "

I agree wholeheartedly. Over the past 10 years I have watched my hometown go from a nice, conservative bedroom community outside Atlanta, and be turned into Detroit...pathetic.
42 posted on 11/03/2009 8:21:40 AM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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