Skip to comments.The Nature of Darwin and the Darwin of Nature (Muzzies adopt Darwinism to combat Christianity!)
Posted on 11/03/2009 8:28:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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Come to think of it, I think this issue deserves its own post...PING!
The world loves its own.
Young Earthers and muzzies have a lot in common
And what would that be, barking dog?
Let's consider a few things:
Who has killed millions of dissenters to their creeds over the years? Darwinists and Muslims.
Who has committed genocide on almost unimaginable scales? Darwinists and Muslims.
Who constitute the vilest, most fanatical, and most dangerous countries on the planet today? Darwinists and Muslims.
See, if you want to play the moral equivalency game, we can play it too.
From the “article;”
— so the ultimate victor in the struggle for ethics was the martyr dying for the sake of something bigger. Thats a twist.—
Hmmm,,, “That’s a twist.” ??? Sounds sort of familiar!
Who burned hundreds of thousands of people at the stake for being witches or heretics? Who gave plagued infected blankets to Indians who refused to convert? The list goes on but it’s not a very fun game. We are all sinners, right?
I think it would be a great idea to establish a working lexicon for the terms we all use, misuse and use loosely. Temple of Darwin, Intelligent Design, Darwinism, Creation, Creationism, YEC, Baramin, etc. Is that something you would want to host?
What TQC said!
The Catholics, mostly. Who, if we will recall, are perfectly cool with "theistic evolution."
Who gave plagued infected blankets to Indians who refused to convert?
Nobody. The British gave plague infected blankets to the Indians because these tribes were supporting the French against the British. A nasty rotten thing to do, but was a political act.
The list goes on but its not a very fun game. We are all sinners, right?
Yes, but some more destructively than others.
Are we going to dig out the whole “Catholics aren’t real Christian theme again?”
Not unless you really want to, but all the same, facts are facts. And the fact is, most of the ones doing the witch burning and heretic burning were Catholics. That much is not really disputable.
“Who has killed millions of dissenters to their creeds over the years? Darwinists and Muslims.
Who has committed genocide on almost unimaginable scales? Darwinists and Muslims.”
—I’m curious who you’re referring to there. It can’t be the Nazis or USSR as they had banned Darwinism, and it was the Darwinists themselves who were the dissenters and often paid with their lives for such. (I suppose perhaps that’s a reference to China, but if one believes the quote from Jonathan Wells, dissent from Darwin is acceptable there.)
“Who constitute the vilest, most fanatical, and most dangerous countries on the planet today? Darwinists and Muslims.”
—What countries aren’t Darwinists or Muslims today?
That doesn’t answer the question, though. Are Catholics not Christians?
Consider the following comments by Dinesh D’Souza concerning a debate he had with Allen Colmes regarding the Inquisition:
“When you cannot defeat a man’s argument, you should never fear: you can always call him names. The point Colmes was doing his best to obscure was my very damaging claim that atheism, not religion, is responsible for the mass murders of history. My book has chapter and verse on this. The Spanish Inquisition, for instance, killed some 2,000 people over a period of 350 years. That’s 2,000 too many, but it’s also about how many an atheist regime like Stalin’s killed on a good weekend. I show that during the twentieth century the atheist regimes of Stalin, Hitler and Mao murdered more than 100 million people. Doing the math and even adjusting for population differences over the centuries, I write that “the deaths caused by Christian rulers over a thousand year period amount to only 1 percent of the deaths caused by Stalin, Hitler and Mao in a space of a few decades.” We’re not even counting the additional millions of casualties produced by second-tier atheist killers like Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Castro, Hoxha, and Kim Jong-il.”
Therefore, if you take the body-bag approach to evaluating the worthiness of a political idea, you have to follow through. Or, as my criminal law prof used to always say, you buy the bit, you buy the bridle. Darwinism has consequences. It may not be a positive inspirational force that provides a focal point that drives people to kill in the name of some deity. Rather, it is the negation of a profound and beneficial human inhibition against the killing of one’s fellow humans for small, inconsequential, uninspiring reasons. For that, it is a hundred times worse than its philosophical counterpart, and the death statistics cited above reflect that ratio.
Food for thought for sure. Thanks. I agree atheist have a much higher body count. Where I depart is where belief in evolution is akin to atheism.
You didn't ask me that question.
However, in answer, just like anyone else, if a Catholic has repented of his or her sins and has trusted on Jesus Christ through faith alone, apart from relying on his or her own works, then that individual is a Christian. If he or she has not, then they are NOT a Christian.
Both the Nazis and the Soviets were hardcore revolutionary evolutionists. Marx and Engles were quite infatuated with Darwin’s work, as was Lenin. Granted, the Soviets briefly banned Darwinism in favor or another God-denying evolutionary theory during the reign of Stalin, but the Soviets restored Darwin to his rightful place of evo-atheist honor a decade or so after Stalin’s death.
An honest response. But why is it a litmus test for an entire sect of Christianity must be imposed from the outside for them to be “real” Christians?
From the article;
so the ultimate victor in the struggle for ethics was the martyr dying for the sake of something bigger. Thats a twist.
Hmmm,,, Thats a twist. ??? Sounds sort of familiar!
Remind you of anyone G-Cube?
The merit of “2+2=4” does not depend on who proclaims it. It’s objective.
That is what the author is subtly alluding to when he says “that’s a twist.”
It's not a litmust test for one sect - it's a litmus test for everybody. If a Baptist hasn't been born again, they're not a Christian. If a Presbyterian hasn't been born again, they're not a Christian. If a Catholic hasn't been born again, then they're not a Christian. It applies to everybody, across the board.
Because that's what the Bible says - and GOD gets to define who is a Christian and who isn't.
Jesus said, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3) That's a litmus test. Jesus is saying that except a person has one, particular event happen in their life, that person won't see the kingdom of heaven. All this wishy-washy "well, you just can't ever know" stuff doesn't fly when viewed from the perspective Jesus sets here.
God says that repentance is necessary for salvation, "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out...." (Acts 3:19). Without repentance, without the specific choice in the heart and mind of a person to turn away from their sin and desire to live for God instead, sin cannot be blotted out. Repentance is really just a part of faith - a person who won't repent is a person who cannot credibly make a claim to having placed faith in Christ.
God tells us that a person has to believe and call upon God for salvation through Jesus Christ. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved....For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:9,13)
God also tells us that this is completely apart from any works which we might think to do to "earn" salvation. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour." (Titus 3:5-6)
THESE are the criteria for Christianity - not what denomination one holds to, etc.
Very good. So which of those tenets does the Catholic not follow?
I’m sorry to belabor this but Catholicism takes a beating on triple G’s posts and I want to see why the disconnect between they and other Christians.
Hundreds of thousands? Really?
Oh, goodness. Don’t be such a jerk on FR.
I’ve reported you to the admins, by the way. This is not a forum for Christian-bashing, all right?
“burned hundreds of thousands of people at the stake for being witches or heretics”?
Try a few dozen. You relish your ignorance, don’t you, since it supports your hatred of God?
Brian Thomas just wrote that Muslims are old earth creationists.
Pick a theme.
Please—decorum demands that you maintain at least a veneer of veracity in your posts. “Darwinists” as a group and acting as such have killed no one.
Don’t lie to support an unsupportable point.
“Both the Nazis and the Soviets were hardcore revolutionary evolutionists.”
Horrors! I’m also reliably informed that both groups liked Chinese food and dancing the tango, so we should beware those affinity groups as well.
“Both the Nazis and the Soviets were hardcore revolutionary evolutionists.”
—You’ve already explained that by “revolutionary evolution” you’re talking about a theory of cultural change, so I’m not sure what your point is there.
It’s not even a social theory that’s analogous to Darwin’s theory of biological evolution: Revolutionary evolution says that change is predictable, as opposed to Darwinism, and that change occurs in huge sudden jumps, as opposed to Darwinism, etc.
“Marx and Engles were quite infatuated with Darwins work, as was Lenin.”
—We have many hundreds of articles, books, and letters from Marx, Engels, and Lenin spanning decades, and everything they have to say about Darwinism comprises of a few sentences that would fit on a post-it note. To say they were “infatuated” would seem to be a tad of a stretch.
“Granted, the Soviets briefly banned Darwinism in favor or another God-denying evolutionary theory during the reign of Stalin, but the Soviets restored Darwin to his rightful place of evo-atheist honor a decade or so after Stalins death.”
—More like they simply stopped persecuting Darwinism.
Does your tagline imply that Rome (by which I assume you mean the Catholic Church) does not recognize Christ?
If they strictly follow the teaching of the Church that the sacrifice of Jesus gives grace to then allow the individual to earn merit towards salvation, then they are trusting on Christ by grace alone.
In fact, the Church teaches that it is presumptious to claim that you "know" you are saved. That rejects the notion that a person is born again at a particular point in time, and then has the assurance of being blood bought and born again. As such, people are to continually perform meritorious deeds so as to "move toward" heaven, after a period of time in purgatory.
If a Catholic rejects these teachings and believes what the Bible says (and many have and do), then they are born again and Christians.
But “Young earthers and muzzies have a lot in common,” a sentiment which you agree with.
If you want to play dime store moralist, do it somewhere else.
Please provide prof for the numbers in your statement
“burned hundreds of thousands of people at the stake”
since the best guess I’d ever heard was maybe 10,000 tops and only because the average given was about 100 years at upto 100 per year. That is bad enough by itself but then none of us were there nor do we know all the details.
Another thing not mentioned is other genocidal acts by comparison nor how much even my figures may have been exaggerated since these were devilish acts purported by supposed christians - gasp.
Are you referencing this site?
So far I come up with a total of 2,391,421 (not including, at least in some cases, women and children).
SAB, Brick Testament Number Killed Cumulative Total
Lot’s wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 1
Er who was “wicked in the sight of the Lord” Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT 1 2
Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 3
Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) Ex.14:8-26 601+ 604+
For dancing naked around Aaron’s golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 3604+
Aaron’s sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 3606+
A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 3607+
A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 3608+
Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 3620+
Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 3870+
For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 18,570+
For “committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab” Num.25:9, BT 24,000 42,570+
Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 132,570+
God tells Joshua to stoned to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 132,575+
God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 144,575+
Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 144,580+
God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 154,580+
Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king’s belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 154,581+
God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 164,581+
God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 284,581+
The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 284,611+
The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 285,611+
Samson’s God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 288,611+
“The Lord smote Benjamin” Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 313,711+
More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 338,711+
For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19 50,070 388,781+
God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12 20 388,801+
Samuel (at God’s command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33 1 388,802+
“The Lord smote Nabal.” 1 Sam.25:38 1 388,803+
Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 388,804+
David and Bathsheba’s baby boy 2 Sam.12:14-18 1 388,805+
Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 388,812+
From plague as punishment for David’s census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:15, 1 Chr.21:14 70,000+ 458,812+
A prophet for believing another prophet’s lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 458,813+
Religious leaders killed in prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 459,263+
God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites’ hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 559,263+
God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 586,263+
God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 586,264+
Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 586,265+
Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 586,367+
God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 586,409+
Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 586,410+
Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 586,411+
God sent lions to kill “some” foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 586,414+
Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, Is.37:36 185,000 771,414+
Saul 1 Chr.10:14 1 771,415+
God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chr.13:15-17 500,000 1,271,415+
Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 1,271,416+
“The Lord smote the Ethiopians.” 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 2,271,416+
God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 2,271,417+
Judean soldiers 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 2,391,417+
Ezekiel’s wife Ezek.24:15-18 1 2,391,418+
Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 2,391,420+
Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 2,391,421+
Well God clearly says the wages of sin is death, and also you must be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So let’s see...didn’t that Jesus guy provide a way for us to receive mercy and grace in place of justice. Something about a substitutionary death or the like?
[see Romans 10:10]
What a great, powerful, and awesome God we serve!
No, I’m simply challenging the prevailing thought that “going home to Rome” is more significant than “coming to Christ.” Too many people are too eager to promote their denomination, at the expense of promoting Christ. And anything that is exalted over Christ is an idol.
You’ll also recognize my tagline as a twist on John the Baptist’s saying about Jesus, “He must increase, but I must decrease.”
“But Young earthers and muzzies have a lot in common, a sentiment which you agree with.”
No specific association was mentioned. If you have a problem with the statement ask the poster for an example of something that they have in common.
Your post was a statement of specific deeds perpetrated by “Darwinists”. You got called on it.
I’ll continue to monitor your posts for veracity.
“No, Im simply challenging the prevailing thought that going home to Rome is more significant than coming to Christ. “
Who holds that “prevailing thought”?
So what you are saying is that only Calvinists are Christian. How about you let God decide at our final judgment and make the determination based upon His greatest Commandments to love God with all of your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. You need to approach Christ as a Child, not a lawyer. If you lived the Beatitudes and were completely unaware of any of Calvin's Five Points you would enter the Kingdom of Heaven as promised.
Over the decade+ that I’ve been here, I’ve found that most Roman Catholic FReepers hold that perspective. I’m not looking for a fight; I’m just saying....
Similary, I have found in my nearly 10-year tenure here that there is an odious current of anti-Catholic bigotry present, some of which can be found in the collected works of other posters on this very thread. I’m not accusing, just reporting...
ROFLMAO!!! Thank you for the laugh. Make sure you tell the teacher, the minister, and my mother while you're at it.
I think your skin is too thin for the News / Activism Forum. What was posted by DogBarkTree was actually pretty mild.