Posted on 11/03/2009 2:34:32 PM PST by RobinMasters
For all the hubbub over a rebirth of conservatism in NY-23, you can make the case that the two biggest beneficiaries of a GOP sweep tonight will be moderate Republicans and centrist Democrats. Why moderate Republicans when Scozzafava just got blown out of the water? Because: As this piece at Big Government shrewdly explains, the reason grassroots conservatives are animated about Hoffman is because he represents a return to fiscal conservatism.
The big problem with Scozzafava is that she wasn’t socially or fiscally conservative, which is why all of us could credibly argue that she was no better than the Democrat. Many moderate Republicans are fiscally conservative, though; to the extent that a Hoffman win reorients the GOP towards a fiscal litmus test rather than a social one, it’ll actually end up expanding the tent by creating room for libertarian types who adamantly oppose expanding government while, for example, supporting civil unions or gay marriage.
As for how it benefits the Blue Dogs, let Altmire connect the dots. Now that Virginia’s gone with the wind and NY-23 and Jersey are on the brink, they’ve obviously got more leverage on ObamaCare. No wonder MoveOn’s starting to grumble about primary challenges. Why, if I didn’t know better, I’d say this looked eerily like … a civil war:
(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...
Ping.
There is NO WAY these Blue Dogs vote for ObamaCare and then expect to get re-elected.
MoveOn.org is sending out emails today seeking more contributions for its campaign to defeat any Democratic senator who does not fully support Obamacare. Yesterday the left-wing activist group asked members to contribute “to a primary challenge against any Democratic senator who helps Republicans block an up-or-down vote on health care reform.” Today, MoveOn reports that it has received $2 million in pledges in less than 24 hours. “It’s a clear sign of how angry progressives would be at any Democrat who helps filibuster reform,” MoveOn executive director Justin Ruben writes in the new email.
“The larger the war chest we can offer a potential challenger, the stronger the signal we’ll send to conservative Democrats,” Ruben continues. “So we’re setting a huge new goal: $3 million in total pledges by the end of the week. That’s plenty to launch a serious primary challenge.”
And liberals belong to the Dems.
And that my friends is the POINT!!!!
They all say they are "fiscal conservatives" which is code for, "I'm pro abortion." But when it comes right down to it the vast majority aren't even fiscal conservatives. Start by asking them how they feel about taxpayer dollars being spent on abortions. Ask them how they feel about fiscally devastating implications of so-called global warming policies etc. etc.. They are all like Dede. Her big problem was that she didn't make any effort to cover it up the way the rest of them do.
Blue dogs might get the message that they can still be Americans and win. The post-American vision of Nazi Pelosi’s Bolsheviks might not get them reelected. Blue dogs should join the revolution to save America from our enemies within. Let the RINOs take their place among the losers.
More BS!
Downplaying the conservative angle and focusing only on the economic aspects.
Social liberals around the country are going out of their way to find some light at the end of the tunnel. Squishy Republicans and their equally Squishy Blue Dog compatriots are looking for a way to call this a win for them and justify their continued existence in 2010. This is message testing - don’t buy it.
...and neither is Obamah.
The mental contortions in this piece make my head hurt.
I think I’ll go find the aspirin bottle...
Yeah, this is a great victory for moderates. That’s the ticket.
But fighting your party's moderates is the way to defeat. The only way to win is to love your party's moderates with all your heart no matter how much they help the other side win. Or at least that's what too many Republican bigwigs (and "helpful" Democratic pundits) were saying about Scozzafava before the Saturday crash.
>> Civil war : Blue Dog warns liberals that GOP wins tonight will mean a lot
The GOP was out of the race before the sun rose this election day.
In pledges or actual money??
ALLAHPUNDIT has civil unions and gay marriage on his mind as much as...well...little Andy Sullivan did when he pretended to be a conservative.
Oh well...at least he’s looking on the bright side and not bashing Palin and other conservatives.
For today at least.
He’ll be back when it becomes clear to him Christian virtue will always be the bedrock of the GOP.
conservative Democrats?
I thought the last conservative democrat was Zell Miller?
Hahahaha, they wish they raised a million in 24 hrs!
More hype for the rubes.
Grab both cheeks boyz, it’s gonna be a rough ride tonight for the dems..
I didn't catch what you meant with that comment.
If Blue Dogs were smart, they would quit the Democrat Party and join the Republicans to form a real, conservative Congress.
This way, they could get out from under the jackboots of Pelosi. Like the Wicked Witch of the West, her armies would celebrate her overthrow.
If the Republicans were smart, they would do everything in their power and political expertise to entice the Blue Dogs to switch: seniority retention (within reasonable bounds), good committee assignments, etc.
From my experience helping in fundraising, $2 million in pledges usually translates to half that much in real money, plus you have to nag people to get even that much.
I hope the Blue Dogs are beginning to fully realize that Nancy considers them expendendable. She is sacrificing them with the health care debate. I don’t think that’ll sit real well once they realize she’s putting their heads on the block.
Scuzzyfava wasn’t a moderate Republican. She was a liberal Democrat.
I’m not aware of a single person that’s voting for the GOP today.
What time do the polls close ???
Virginia 7pm ET
New Jersey 8pm ET
New York 9pm ET
I got the info from here: http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5841. It doesn't list every state.
New York 9PM...
That’s the most exciting one...
WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO
Ok, gotcha.
Many Blue Dogs would have been called leftist Democrats before Obama et al. tried taking the party to extremes that even leftists Democrats couldn't imagine. I don't think they would fit in well with a conservative party, but I'm not sure that matters. Many of them recognize that a real collectivist takeover would render them politically obsolete, and don't want that to happen.
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That is exactly stupid reasoning.
Blue Dogs (and RINOs) voting for Pelosi-care is a guarantee for them to personally experience America's growing unemployment lines. Deservedly so for members of congress who should know better than to defy their constituents. Even if it's an extremely close vote and dems win in NJ this time around, next time - it could them on the line - and they just might lose handily. Pelosi can send them a sympathy card.
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