Posted on 11/05/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by DCBryan1
Edited on 11/05/2009 2:37:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.
The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.
The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.
The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.
The perps very well might be black which seems to put everyone in PC mode. Maybe H. Rap Brown’s ex-con posse on the rampage? Some were taken down last week.
My bet is that Sheppard Smith has probably never been on a military base or even seen a gun in real life.
Prayers for all members of our military on every base in this country. I think (though I don't know for a fact), that they automatically go on alert when something like this happens.
Get out the waterboards and interrogate the two shooters in custody. No time to be wasted.
FNC: Fort Hood officials to hold press conference in about 15-20 minutes.
ABC’s Chris Cuomo (obviously reaching on this I think)
speculating the base is located in a violent area of many
gangs ... and they get involved with the military.
All the access routes to/from Fort Hood shut down.
Cuomo says from everything he’s hearing, they don’t
believe this is over. One soldier told him they’re
still hearing shots. Seems to be phases to this
shooting .. hearing small arms fire, whether from
the suspect or the defenders.
Allegedly 40 yr old male captured. At least one
or two other shooters barricaded near the Readiness
Center.
Killeen Police Swat team is on the premises.
Situation is very fluid.
Saw a thread with the subject line to the effect that security was put on notice to be on guard for reprisals.
The Koresh seige made much more news than the Dearboristan raid and shooting. Too much goes under the radar from the Pravda Media.
From Drudge:
2 SUSPECTS CAUGHT...
4 SWAT OFFICERS INJURED...
No links yet.
“I have to show my military ID to get on base and who ever is with me doesn’t have too.”
Same here...in addition to a sticker on the automobile.
Once on base, I even have to show my ID when making a purchase at the commissary or BX!
McClatchy: Gunmen with M-16s kill at least 7 at Fort Hood in Texas
Um, there doesn't appear to be a source on the M-16s. That means they could be AR-15s. Also, based on the media's record on firearm identification they wouldn't know a Red Ryder from a Barrett.
Some good news: KCEN is reporting that Ft. Hood emergency sirens have ceased.
And he must have pictures. Probably home movies.
NBC reports that the suspect in custody is in his 20s.
At this point all those involved are believed to be military personnel, ABC reports. It says there are conflicting reports about whether there is a third shooter.
A soldier stationed at Fort Hood told the BBC: “We’re on lockdown. I heard the emergency announcement over the speakers outside and saw people rushing to get indoors.
“In our office we’re okay but we’re hearing about the deaths. It’s horrible and very shocking.”
Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson, talking on CNN, said she had spoken to one of the generals at Fort Hood minutes ago, and he had suggested 30 people were wounded.
I don’t disagree, but I do think we need to be somewhat guarded until we actually know what took place here, not that you implied otherwise.
Look, I think we were lucky under Bush/Cheney. If this is an attack by a terrorist, nothing really changed to make it more possible after Bush/Cheney stepped down.
I’ll grant you the thought that the punishment might be more “gamed” at this point is a valid point for discussion though.
“He’s got this finger teepee deployed, and he’s wearing a really serene look on this face, and that means he’s super smart, and stuff.”
And he’s very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very concerned.
Cavuto said they are not that close to each other. Its a huge base.
Ft. Dix Six. Captured and imprisoned.
MSM whining that they hadn’t actually done anything!
Someone on CNN brought this up, but of course, it was immediately discounted. That makes me convinced it’s a similar attack.
When some one is shooting at you ... first thought “I must get to the closest armory” ...??????? It is like you on the street and you are being shot at ... and DAMN my weapon is down the block in my vehicle!
At worst, it might be considered a "man-caused disaster."
Not being there, and having no information beyond what you have ... I would say that this would be a 'Standard Operationg Proceedure' in case of an attack on base for any reason. Rather safe, than sorry; right?
good analysis....
Shep’s see lots of ‘guns’, just never seen any weapons. Vets know what I mean. ;-)
They’re Eastern European separatists </Hollywood>
According to officials, the incident was a dual attack.
One of the shootings happened at a graduation ceremony taking place at the base when the shooting happened, Green said.
“It would be an environment that would be very susceptible to casualties or injuries,” Green said.
A second attack happened at a theater on the sprawling base, according to the Associated Press.
Army personnel say they are not certain whether the shooting victims are civilians or military personnel.
The conditions of the wounded were not known.
“We’re praying that those who are injured … are not seriously injured.”
The Fort Hood public affairs spokesman said the Army is setting up a special operations center to handle the response.
The official base Web site has posted a message that it is on lock down and in an emergency situation. It also urged people to stay indoors.
Nine schools on the base — seven elementary and two middle — are included in the lock down.
The ROP running loose again???
Proof, please?
I doubt that
This could be his springboard to enforce gun control.
When I was a kid my parents had a friend at Wright Patterson AFB. I don’t think the guard was civillian but once he knew us he just waved us through.
I believe his name was Dallas.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
“At Least 7 Dead, 20 Wounded in Shootings at Ft. Hood in Texas”
Thursday, November 05, 2009
SNIPPET: “Lt. Col. Nathan Banks said two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on the identities of the dead.
The second incident took place at a theater on Ft. Hood, according to Banks”
SNIPPET: “The men were reportedly dressed in Army fatigues, but military officials couldn’t confirm that they were Army personnel.
Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said the shooting was a terrible tragedy for all of the military families affected.
She said the post is a processing center where soldiers are processed before going to Iraq or Afghanistan.”
Oh, I hope that's true.
This is awful...
Fort Hood is not really close to anything. Most gangs prefer urban areas so I would say reports of “gang activity” are unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.
This is fairly typical at most Army bases ... unregistered vehicles (meaning not having the base decals) must stop for inspection. Drivers license & registration are required and the vehicle is inspected, under the hood, trunk, and inside. A pole device with a mirror on the end is used to inspect the underside of the vehicle. Just went thru this routine at a large Army base yesterday ... I was on my way to play golf.
Remember today is NOVEMBER 5.
“Remember remember
The Fifth of November
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I can think of no reason
The gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
Coincidence??
Per Kay Bailey Hutch- Apparently the Feds now don’t think there’s a terrorism “nexus”...
Neil Cavuto reporting probably not terrorists.
I’m glad they are caught though they deserve death we should know who was behind this soon. If the prisoners are conscious I would think the responders on base know, unless the captured are hardened and keeping their mouths shut.
Scanner-All Cars Will be Double-Manned
In Texas, probably half the force is Hispanic so I don’t think you could identify them on an ethnic basis.
I’d say it’s Muslims (Texas has a large immigrant Muslim population), possibly but not necessarily Black Muslims. The on-base attacks on military members in Iraq were carried out by Black Muslims, but I’m not sure the military still lets them in the way it used to.
However, there are lots of Iraqis and Afghanis that we have trained on US bases, as well as a scads of Saudis, so there may well be foreign Muslim jihadis who have been awaiting their moment.
There are several different other calls coming through at times and not a lot of details.
Information trickles in. Not sure how Walmart figures in here.
Neil Cavuto just said that “sources” are saying it does not look terrorist related, lol.
Sadly, I must disagree with you. The assumption is not entirely unfounded. Locally, several soldiers from the same unit at Ft. Carson have been arrested for committing a several murders over the past couple of years.
From this article: "Falu-Vives served in Iraq with the 4th Brigade Combat Team, which came to symbolize the problems veterans experienced after returning home from war. Ten of its infantrymen have been arrested and accused of murder, attempted murder or manslaughter since 2006. Others have committed suicide, or tried to."
I don't think this phenomenon is isolated to Ft. Carson, either.
They were telling which hospitals victims were being transported to along with numbers (sorry I missed them). Likely, the hospitals' switchboards are jammed.
One is Scott N White hospital.
Hood.
FORSCOM. ‘There’s the Army, and then there’s Hood.’ (Well, Benning, too.)
God bless them all.
Not terrorist related. I love cover stories.
Official news from Army via ABCNews:
1 shooter .. at Readiness Center and theater.
Can’t confirm the casualties.
1 shooter apprehended in fatigues
7 dead . . at least 12 wounded, possibly 20
2:30pm eastern time ... at main part of the post
ATF, Homeland Security, Killeen Police, FBI, Army ..
all on site along Tank Destroyer Blvd.
Unit commanders have been instructed to account for
all their personnel.
Cong Joe Wilson on Fox
Joe rocks!
Don't want 0bama anywhere close cuz he will just use it as a photo opportunity.
Most of the gate guards at AF Bases are civilians as well. It’s contracted out, now.
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