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Election results rattle some Democrats
LA Times ^ | November 5, 2009 | James Oliphant, Peter Nicholas and Christi Parsons

Posted on 11/05/2009 5:09:27 PM PST by neverdem

With independent voters favoring GOP candidates in New Jersey and Virginia, many in Congress wonder whether they'll lose electoral support themselves if they stick with Obama on controversial issues.

Reporting from Washington and Madison, Wis.

Even before voters went to the polls this week, moderate congressional Democrats were anxious. Would the swing voters who coalesced around Barack Obama almost exactly one year ago stay with the Democrats or defect to the Republicans?

The answer came Tuesday night as Republican gubernatorial candidates swept to power in New Jersey and Virginia, with the help of large packs of self-described independents.

Exit polls circulating on the House floor Wednesday were even more unnerving to Democrats. The Republican candidates, the polls indicated, had received the votes of two-thirds of independent voters...

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"Republicans won independents by 2 to 1. It was overwhelming. It was breathtaking," Ayres said. "That is a huge shift since the last two elections in a very short amount of time."

Ayres said that his polling data indicate a clear shift in the independent vote starting in April. He said that "spending and debt" are the reasons -- "starting with the bailouts, followed up with the stimulus package, the budget with its $1-trillion deficit, healthcare with another trillion."...

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"It's not all up to the president; I know that," said Galen Milchman, a 19-year-old pizza deliverer who said he had worked for Obama's election a year ago. "But the Democrats are in control of the House and the Senate, and so we were going to get all this change. Where is it? It makes me feel very cynical."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; election2009; fearfuldems; independents; ny2009; va2009
That ignorant 19-year-old is demoralized. That's good!

Independents reversed their votes big time from 2006 and 2008. In 2006, almost 60 percent of them voted for the rats.

I couldn't find actual numbers for how independents split in 2008 after checking for a few hours. This will have to do for now.

"This is a huge sea change that is playing itself out in American politics," said Democratic pollster Doug Schoen. "Independents who had become effectively operational Democrats in 2006 and 2008 are now up for grabs and are trending Republican." 7/9/09, Politico, Ben Smith

1 posted on 11/05/2009 5:09:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Well, the 19-year old delivers pizzas. The only “hope and change’ this numbskull knows is that he “hopes” that someone will give him ‘change” after a delivery.


2 posted on 11/05/2009 5:13:26 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: neverdem

The suburban districts in Western New York had a Republican sweep in the local elections. There were some very popular Democrats who lost their jobs by large margins. If this didn’t send a message to our Congressional Representatives, I don’t know what will.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 5:13:35 PM PST by mia
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To: neverdem
That ignorant 19-year-old is demoralized. That's good!

He's cynical. Good for him, he's at the beginning of a life-long lesson that may bring him rich rewards. We should encourage the fellow.

4 posted on 11/05/2009 5:17:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: mia

Stafford County in Virginia now has an all GOP County Council. And in a huge shock to these loons, a bigtime rat on the Albemarle County board of supervisors was ousted by the Pubbie candidate.


5 posted on 11/05/2009 5:23:27 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: neverdem

Even young Dems have to reconsider their views when Mom & Dad and Grandpa and Grandma are on TV demonstrating in DC.
They (and we) haven’t ever seem something like this in recent history.


6 posted on 11/05/2009 5:29:41 PM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: max americana

This reminds me of a conversation I overheard the other night. A new father who is on welfare said he had to go out and buy a pack of cigarettes. The lady (older) who was with him said he should forego the smokes and buy food for his son. His response almost floored all of us within earshot, “I don’t have to worry about that, the Federal Government feeds my kid”.


7 posted on 11/05/2009 5:30:27 PM PST by kempster
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To: neverdem
"Republicans won independents by 2 to 1. It was overwhelming. It was breathtaking," Ayres said. "That is a huge shift since the last two elections in a very short amount of time."

Better late than never I guess. I know the type. Many were against the Iraq war, thought they'd stick it to the rich and be progressive by voting for Mr. Obama. Little did they know that Mr. Obama would say thank you by coming after them. I tried telling a few of them, but to no avail...

8 posted on 11/05/2009 5:32:29 PM PST by EVO X
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To: 1776 Reborn

....Maybe someone will send this line of commentary to the jerk, Mark Davis, who was the host on the Rush Limbaugh show today.


9 posted on 11/05/2009 5:32:45 PM PST by pointsal
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To: neverdem

I think it’s great if Obama and the Dems want to tell themselves that this election wasn’t about Obama. Denial is as good as chaos in keeping them off their game and time will tell whether it is, or not.


10 posted on 11/05/2009 5:35:48 PM PST by bigbob
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To: neverdem

11 posted on 11/05/2009 5:38:09 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: freespirited

“And in a huge shock to these loons, a bigtime rat on the Albemarle County board of supervisors was ousted by the Pubbie candidate.”

Please note that Albemarle County is where the city of Charlottesville is located. Charlottesville is Ground Zero for liberal RATS in Virginia.


12 posted on 11/05/2009 5:38:50 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Cyber Liberty

Absolutely right. This guy is learning young and there is every reason to believe he can become a rock ribbed conservative as he matures.


13 posted on 11/05/2009 5:39:04 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction;, one of the five top worries of the American farmer.)
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To: freespirited
I am so glad that even the low level Dem. politicians are getting defeated. What most people don't know about politics is that when you get support from a political party you give that party 100% allegiance monetarily and physically when the need to help is necessary.
14 posted on 11/05/2009 5:40:13 PM PST by mia
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To: kempster

The irony is that I delivered pizzas in jr college to pay for my tuition. Unlike this kool-aid drinker, I worked hard to get my degree to transfer to university so I WONT have to deliver pizzas when I’m 30. The welfare-Dad in your story doesnt surprise me (I live in a deep-blue city).


15 posted on 11/05/2009 5:41:18 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: max americana

Dear Democrats:

Passing the government take-over of health care and the cap and trade bills will utterly destroy your party.

Please pass these two bills.


16 posted on 11/05/2009 5:58:13 PM PST by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: neverdem

“Exit polls showed that a fifth of the voters who supported McDonnell had a favorable opinion of Obama. “

And that’s supposed to be a good thing for Obama? Sounds pretty disasterous to me.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 6:06:54 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: bigbob
I think it’s great if Obama and the Dems want to tell themselves that this election wasn’t about Obama. Denial is as good as chaos in keeping them off their game and time will tell whether it is, or not.

You are so right.

18 posted on 11/05/2009 6:06:54 PM PST by pray4liberty (Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.)
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To: neverdem

That’s some spinning!


19 posted on 11/05/2009 8:02:44 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: neverdem

With independent voters favoring GOP candidates in New Jersey and Virginia, many in Congress wonder whether they’ll lose electoral support themselves if they stick with Obama on controversial issues.

Simple answer – yes, they will.

“It’s not all up to the president; I know that,” said Galen Milchman, a 19-year-old pizza deliverer who said he had worked for Obama’s election a year ago. “But the Democrats are in control of the House and the Senate, and so we were going to get all this change. Where is it? It makes me feel very cynical.”

Welcome to the real world, pilgrim.


20 posted on 11/05/2009 8:57:45 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: neverdem

And between getting a clue and changing their act or flat out abolishing free elections, which do you think the RATs are going to choose?

The results would be a good sign if we were dealing with people who actually play by the rules, but we all know the RATs are always looking for a way around them.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 9:03:36 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: neverdem; max americana

23 posted on 11/05/2009 9:32:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: 1776 Reborn
They (and we) haven’t ever seem something like this in recent history.

Even my folks, who have been timid to even admit they are conservatives, have been at Tea Parties this year - and loving it. It's a great sign.
24 posted on 11/05/2009 11:39:44 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: bigbob
I think it’s great if Obama and the Dems want to tell themselves that this election wasn’t about Obama. Denial is as good as chaos in keeping them off their game and time will tell whether it is, or not.

I thought it was hilarious when Gibbs said that the VA results and the reasons voters stated they voted - the economy - were only local and did not reflect anything on Obama. The 'economy' is a local issue? I guess he thinks only VA is having some unemployment issues!
25 posted on 11/05/2009 11:43:18 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall

That’s great!


26 posted on 11/06/2009 2:28:52 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
"It's not all up to the president; I know that," said Galen Milchman, a 19-year-old pizza deliverer who said he had worked for Obama's election a year ago. "But the Democrats are in control of the House and the Senate, and so we were going to get all this change. Where is it? It makes me feel very cynical."
What Mr. Milchman (better check this name on whitepages dot com, BTW) meant to say was, it's only all up to the president when it's a Republican." Thanks neverdem.
27 posted on 11/06/2009 3:23:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: neverdem
Hello all, I am the numbskull, cool aid drinking pizza boy. First off, I'm 18 not 19. I would like to say that the amount you are judging me, based on a crude misrepresentation of what I said. These are not my words verbatim. I don't know what you think makes me ignorant, nor am i feeling any more demoralized then when this started. In my opinion Obama is merely another over-hyped lying politician who happens to be our first black president. So for me to be demoralized I would have had to have faith in Obama in the first place and I didn't. Also I don't hope for change when delivering pizza's, what kind of moron would want change, I want paper money. For the man who also delivered pizzas, I don't know how you think you are different from me, you were going to college, I am gaining residency so that I can go to college significantly cheaper. And to all you others who are putting me down for being a pizza boy, I don't know what job you held right after you got out of High school, without a college degree what is it that you did, did you rely on your rich daddies? Also to you who said they better check my name, just cause it is not a common name at all means that it probably isn't real. Well actually it is real, it is derived from the German word milch which in fact means milk, so a simple explanation was that my ancestor was a milk man. I guess its in my families genes to be poor, ignorant delivery people forever.
28 posted on 11/07/2009 1:06:22 PM PST by numbskullpizza
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