Posted on 11/05/2009 6:31:38 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Republicans will enact the health reform proposal they unveiled this week if they take back the House, Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) pledged Thursday.
Appearing on the Republican National Committee's (RNC) online town hall, Boehner and other House and Senate leaders said they sensed momentum behind GOP efforts to halt Democratic health reform legislation, which is set for a vote on Saturday.
"If we get in the majority after the election, I plan to enact our healthcare plan," Boehner said during the town hall.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Never trust a man with a fake tan.
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can. - Goldwater
When will Republicans begin speaking in those terms again?
Is this supposed GOP plan available online?
Socialism-lite is all the republican party has to offer.
Ugh. Boehner and the RINOs haven’t learned anything.
Can you believe that?
They don’t even listen. They don’t want to listen
We the people don’t want a bill period.
Get rid of them.
There are more than just those two items contained within the RINO health care plan.
Hmmmm ..?? I don’t think you’re paying attention.
The GOP plan is absolutely nothing like the dems plan - and it consists of only 230 pages.
It deals with people who have pre-existing conditions; tort reform; etc. Which means it includes several of the items which we need.
As far as I’m concerned .. I think they have finally learned we WANT SOMETHING DONE - BUT WE WANT IT DONE OUR WAY - NOT THEIRS.
Obviously you have not read the GOP plan. Too bad .. it’s a whole lot better (at 230 pages) than the mess created by the dems.
Before you start poo-pooing stuff .. you ought to investigate more.
“...think they have finally learned we WANT SOMETHING DONE - BUT WE WANT IT DONE OUR WAY - NOT THEIRS.”
You confuse me. If we as Conservatives want smaller government, smaller Federal Government then why would we want something done other than the Federal Government the Hell out of everything other than that prescribed by the Founders?
What Boehner doesn’t realize is that if we can make Nancy’s life Hell, we can do the same to him.
Yes and no, respectively.
I'm all for tort reform, but this violation of states' rights putting insurance regulation under unconstitutional Federal control doesn't warm my cockles one bit.
Here's why: If health insurers are not making oodles of money now (and they're not), then there isn't much to be saved in this measure. Oh but there is a bundle to be made in mergers and acquisitions! Are you interested in health-care insurers too big to fail?
Setting up an insurance company isn't like automobile manufacturing in that the economies of scale are very different. A holding company can set up fifty insurance subsidiaries with little difficulty. So this is really a non-problem. The real problem is corruption at the state level, but if you think Federalizing the system will fix that I have news for you.
Proving once again that people don’t check out what they’re arguing about.
Tort reform (reigning in the lawyers) is A GOOD THING (it doesn’t make govt bigger); being able to buy insurance across state lines (doesn’t make govt bigger either) - THAT’S ALSO A GOOD THING.
Neither of those things are in the dem plan .. but they’re in the GOP plan - which is what is NEEDED to bring costs down.
If you’re confused .. you’re not paying attention. Which means your only goal is to bad mouth the GOP.
My my you are a bit touchy aren’t you. I would imagine had YOU posted sensibly in the first place I would not have been confused.
Where in your original post did you mention tort reform, or purchasing insurance across State lines that would indicate YOU even understood what was going on?
You didn’t. You posted “....WANT SOMETHING DONE - BUT WE WANT IT DONE OUR WAY - NOT THEIRS.”
Calm yourself, and have a nice evening.
What an abolutely powerful & great statement by Barry Goldwater. Thanks for posting this!!! I am going to use this in my daily calls to libturd demoRAT (MN-1) Tim Walz's office. They really dislike my daily calls to this libturd's office!!!
Am I missing something here? What’s the big deal? I don’t like Boner, but the GOP plan mainly deals with insurance reform, choice and tort reform. I don’t see a problem with pushing these alternative issues in an effort to undermine the RATs and aid in our move to sweep the 2010 elections.
Why don’t you tend to you own business rather than lecture others.
Geez, I guess ol’ Boner is back up to his old tricks >:[
Anything over one page is a total screwing of the public!!!!
If he does not cut government and spending, he is never going to get the majority in Congress. Promising to spend one hundred billion dollars on his socialist program is supposed to make everyone happy since they did not get Pelosi’s trillion dollar plan. What a deal!
” have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents “interests,” I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can. - Goldwater”
Not many words spoken are as beautiful as those. Unfortunately you won’t hear those again in the near future. The main reason being is that politicians are just that, politicians. That is their career. They earn the votes by giving people other people’s money. There is an under current in this country of entitlement. People think that they are entitled to everything without working for it. They want the government to feed them, clothe them, give them a house and a car, etc. And the scary thing is, these people vote. Now who are they going to vote for? The one who speaks words like Goldwater or the one who keeps the gravy train running through their house?
Until we change minds, those words will not be heard by someone who is seeking public office. It’s a shame.
I know I’ve been blasted for saying this before, but what is needed to to change the voting laws. Only people who work and pay taxes should be allowed to vote. Only people who have a vested interest in this country should have a right to vote, i.e. someone who owns property, works, pays taxes, etc.
Then you would have someone who wants to keep government out of their pockets and not someone who is looking for a handout.
YES...what YOU said about who should be voting.
Stop it guys.
Does Ron Paul want tort reform?
Health Care is broke in this system. It has been broken by Government. The GOP bill takes steps to FIX what the Govt broke by getting Govt OUT OF THE WAY.
Here is a novel idea. Actually try reading the plan 1st rather then just flame out in typical reflexive ignorance.
The hysteric ignorance all of you expressed in your posts on this thread are utterly inexcusable in citizens of a Constitutional Republic.
I'm not so sure about that. The net effect of the American people's ongoing shouting at Nazi Pelosi is starting to remind me of shouting at someone with end stage Alzheimer's. You're shouting, you can hear it, everyone else can hear it, but she's completely, blissfully oblivious
I for one am not going explain to a DA such as yourself that scans the commentary, and doesn’t comprehend the content of the commentary as it would be a total waste of my valuable time.
I’m a bit sick and tired of holier than thou AH such as yourself popping off with your crap.
Why don’t you use your brain? Just signing onto a health care bill with government means that they can adjust it anyway they want to usually without our knowledge.
Just open the door and let them in if that’s what you want.
Because the Government is ALL ready screwing up health care.
Sitting around screaming “DO NOTHING” means you want to LEAVE IN PLACE the existing interference in the market. The GOP bill tries to address some of the errors that have been caused by Govt regulations of the market.
IF you bothered to read the plan, rather then simply start screaming, you would KNOW that.
If you’d bothered to apply brainwork while reading my post ah you would have noticed I was addressing the persons posting, not the topic you are chastising me about.
I know the Republican proposal inside and out. It isn’t what I was commenting on. Go back and read the multiple postings of the discussion.
I think you need to read the GOP plan, parts of it sound quite good.
You make a good point...but even Boehner should be smart enough to know he won’t be blissfully oblivious.
Why don’t you show me where in the Constitution the feral government is authorized to have any say at all in our health care decisions?
Letting people buy across state lines won’t federalize the system any more than letting me buy books from Amazon. If Congress wants to create a cabinet level Department of Book Sales they can do that, but that would be the expansion of government, not allowing Amazon to ship books to all 50 states.
Not true. Ever heard of the "Commerce Clause"?
There is a difference between insurance and books. Books are the same when they're shipped across State lines. Insurance is not.
The camel’s nose is already well under the tent. I’d prefer that we go to a 100% free market system with far reduced regulation and zero government involvement, but at this point insisting on that will not move the camel or even slow him down, it is akin to pretending the camel doesn’t exist.
I'm not getting what you mean about insurance being different. We can buy car insurance across state lines and the fact that states have slightly differing regulations changes nothing, and requires virtually no federal involvement. I had Allstate car insurance when I lived in Maine, Michigan, New York and Illinois. Why couldn't I have Allstate-style health insurance in the same way without a federal bureaucracy.
How am I or any other American less free if I, an Illinoisan, buy health insurance from a Wisconsin company?
Here's a quiz for you...is buying health insurance across state lines outlawed by the Constitution, or by federal law?
Once you buy a manufactured product, the transaction is done. The contract is over. There are no uncertainties. With health insurance, there are massive uncertainties, the contract is ongoing and involves wildly variable risks, licensing of state regulated medical care, state tort laws, state liability laws...
They're not even close to the same.
We can buy car insurance across state lines and the fact that states have slightly differing regulations changes nothing, and requires virtually no federal involvement.
Not in California. Not homeowners' insurance either. It's sold under a state licensed subsidiary.
Here's a quiz for you...is buying health insurance across state lines outlawed by the Constitution, or by federal law?
Wrong question. Is managing health insurance some a Constitutional power? Does the Congress have ANY authority to involve itself in the purchase of insurance products at all? So, I would agree that one should be able to buy the product, just don't expect a state court to enforce it.
STOP the MADNESS!! There is no Constitutional authority for this, the GOP needs to trumpet this loudly. Instead, they propose some finer, lighter version of the same shackles the Dems want to click into place. Man does that tree look thirsty.
Chill out! I restated a quote from Barry Goldwater, which I thought was a great statement. I never commented on Boehner's proposed health care plan, as I have not read it yet. You paint in a broad brush your accusation of a bunch of FReepers of hysteric ignorance for anyone who might oppose Boehners plan, but how do you know who has read Boehner's plan or not? Quit being so presumptuous in your accusations of others for being ignorant.
You are so wrong. And sitting around assuming you know what other people think is stupid. You don’t.
I said what I said because it’s true. You let it in the door and good luck on getting rid of it.
Use your brain.
Oh, and the only one doing the screaming and prancing around is you.
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