Ukraine: Influenza or Pneumonic Plague? The situation is getting worse and worse

KavkazCenter.com ^

[Watchdog85]

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine".

The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".

[Watchdog85]

I don't know what to make of this, but there sure is a lot of coincidences. The key thing to remember is Ukraine has declared martial law and quarantined 4 major cities so far. Also why has there been no coverage by the MSM. Check these links and see what you think.

Plague Info

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml

http://www.prisonplanet.com/number-of-victims-to-unknown-virus-grow...

http://infowars.net/articles/november2009/021109Ukraine_panic.htm

Joesph Moshe- Ex Mossad agent and expert bio chemist info

http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/78637/Moshe_Bar-Joseph

This is the link that really points some interesting details out. Remember this happened back in Aug 09.

http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe...

What do you think?

[hennie pennie]

*ping*

[Watchdog85]

Here’s the links again. Sorry

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2009/11/02/11155.shtml

http://www.prisonplanet.com/number-of-vi....n-ukraine.h tml

http://infowars.net/articles/november2009/021109Ukraine_panic.htm

http://www.biomedexperts.com/Profile.bme/78637/Moshe_Bar-Joseph

http://pimpinturtle.com/2009/08/21/the-strange-case-of-joseph-moshe.aspx

[dynachrome]

A good site for info on all diseases. Ukraine is at the top of the list today:

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/otn/f?p=2400:1000:

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks hennie pennie.

[Watchdog85]

Update! Possibly happening in India now also.

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/nov/051109-Sassoon-hospital-Swine-Flu-Casualities-Pune.htm

[bronxville]

I don’t believe any of it. It’s supposedly the ‘crisis’ - I just read where academe diagnosed a cat with the swine flu. They’re trying...

I’m in the health care profession, a large institution, and have yet to meet one person with the swine flu.

[The Comedian]

This was either an accidental or purposeful bio-weapon attack.

http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood

Excerpt: "He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death."

Here's the actual phone call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwDUIjtz6e0

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[Watchdog85]

I also haven’t seen anything yet either. People are in a panic here now about the H1N1 and a shortage of vaccine. What happens if this new unknown is a manufactured biological and a carrier enters the U.S? Why is there no media coverage of Ukraine? Maybe this will get coverage later when the powers that be determine the time is right. Then martial law would be possible.

Prepare for the worst and hope for the best!

[autumnraine]

“Doctors at Sassoon Hospital, who are in the thick of the swine flu battle, are a worried lot. Thirty-five patients with swine flu-like symptoms died in the last 45 days at the hospital, and not one of them tested positive for swine flu. The doctors still don’t know what caused the death of these patients. “

WHOA!!!

[FarRightFanatic]

Bookmarking for later reading

[Fred Nerks]

did you note the heading on your first link?

[dtrpscout]

The 1918 Spanish flu was mis-diagnosed as (among other things) plague, because it produce similar symptoms, such as turning the skin a dark blue, fluid-filled lesions, bleeding from the eyes, ears and mouth, etc. If that stuff’s firing up again, we’re in for a rough ride. It killed millions, many within 12-24 hours of the first symptoms. The only prevention is complete isolation.

[Fred Nerks]

I’m not trying to say there isn’t a danger that the ‘swine flu’ might mutate, all I’m saying is that I would be a little wary of scary stories that come from a website headed by a group of mujahadeen.

[PA Engineer]

BFLR

[Watchdog85]

I did not notice that, but there are other sources listed with links. Take it with a grain of salt if you wish. I would rather be aware of possibilities than accepting business as usual. Just my 2 cents.

[steve86]

I’m in the health care profession, a large institution, and have yet to meet one person with the swine flu.

That's amazing. Every case of influenza here is the swine flu. There is no seasonal influenza extant in this area, not H3N2 or any B. When adults present with a temp of 102+, nausea and/or diarrhea, respiratory symptoms and the rest we're pretty sure it isn't a cold. No other pathology matches the profile.

[justa-hairyape]

...all I’m saying is that I would be a little wary of scary stories that come from a website headed by a group of mujahadeen.

Unless of course they were intimately familiar with this specific biological attack. Lots of possibilities. Russians have been locked in a war for control of the Caucus region for about 10 years. They have employed some nefarious methods and their opposition has plenty of incentives to do like was. Wonder whats happening in Russia right now ? Probably impossible to tell with their state controlled media.

[justa-hairyape]

oops. like was should be likewise.

[hennie pennie]

HERE IS THE MAIN ON-GOING MESSAGETHREAD ABOUT THE SITUATION IN UKRAINE:

SHOCK! Epidemic of pneumonic plague in Ukraine? (updated at 05:39 pm)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374394/posts

[DvdMom]

ping ....

[ZX12R]

Excerpt: "He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine.

Speaking of Baxter, anyone remember this story?

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

[DvdMom]

Click on the last article of the link the one with turtle mentioned ...

[DvdMom]

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18882

* Pneumonic plague Index

Definition of Pneumonic plague

Pneumonic plague: Infection of the lungs by Yersina pestis, the bacterial agent that causes the plague, a disease of animals (rodents and their fleas) and humans.

The first signs of the pneumonic plague are fever, headache, weakness, and cough productive of bloody or watery sputum. The pneumonia progresses over 2 to 4 days and may cause septic shock and, without early treatment, death.

Person-to-person transmission of pneumonic plague occurs through respiratory droplets, which can only infect those who have face-to-face contact with the person who is ill.

Early treatment of pneumonic plague is essential. Several antibiotics are effective, including streptomycin, tetracycline, and chloramphenicol.

There is no vaccine against plague but prophylactic antibiotic treatment for 7 days will protect persons who have had face-to-face contact with infected patients.

*The CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) has classified Yersina pestis as a high-priority (Category A) bioterrorism agent.*

[The Comedian]

Speaking of Baxter, anyone remember this story?

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

I do. I can't believe that hasn't been scrubbed from the net yet.

Just an unfortunate series of events, of course. Nothing to see here. Move along...

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[BellStar]

I put your info in an email and Pneumonic Plague in the email and my emial would not send? Coincidence?

[DvdMom]

Commentary

Withheld Ukraine Sequences Raise Pandemic Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary 02:30
November 7, 2009
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11070901/Ukraine_Seq_NOT.html

Right now we know that many clinical specimens and viruses have been sent to one of the WHO collaborating centres for further study. We don’t know the results of those studies, and it will probably take a couple of days for the full analysis of those viruses to be available. But in the meantime, what we do not have is any evidence of viruses there or anywhere else as showing any big mutations. I raise this point because I have seen in some media reports that there are reports that WHO or other groups are saying that there are mutations and I want to point out that these are rumours and factually, untrue.

The above comments from Keiji Kukuda offer some general comments on the Ukrainian H1N1 sequences at Mill Hill in London. He specifically says WHO doesn’t see any “big” mutations in the samples being sequenced, which would refer to reassortment or Tamiflu resistance. However, the changes seen in Ukraine do not require “big” mutations. Small mutations, such as SNP can have profound effects for a virus like pandemic H1N1.

That virus normally circulates in swine, and has recently jumped to humans. It already has many characteristics with the 1918 pandemic strain. Both are swine H1N1 that jumped to humans. Such species jumpers can increase efficiencies with small changes. One good example is position 627 in the PB2 gene. That position comes in two forms. When there is glutamic acid (E) at that position, the PB2 enzyme copies the viral genetic material most efficiently at 41 C, the body temperature of a bird. However, if that position has a lysine (K), the enzyme is most active at 33 C, the temperature of a human nose in the winter. The swine H1N1 has an E, which may be why it goes well in lung, which is 37 C and closer to the optimal replication temperature of 41C. However, a single change that produced the most efficient replication at 37C would lead to even higher levels in the lungs, which could lead to frequent cytokine storms, like those in 1918, instead of the less frequent level seen in Ukraine.

However, the rapid spread of H1N1 in Ukraine (see map), coupled with the high frequency of hemorrhagic pneumonia raise concerns that a small change is leading to a more virulent virus. Similarly, the rapid spread of the virus could also be affected by a small change in another gene, such as HA, which controls entry of the virus to cells and influences tissue tropism.

Mill Hill has acknowledged that they have at least 15 H1N1 positive samples from Ukraine, which would identify a Ukranian specific change. The delay in the announcement of sequence results raises concerns that such changes have been detected, and such changes are undergoing further analysis.

The number of cases in Ukraine continues to expand. The number of patients with H1N1 symptoms is now approaching 1 million. Cases have been increasing at almost 200,000 per day, so it is likely that tomorrow’s report will have over 1 million cases. This rapid spread increases concern that the 15 sequences at Mill Hill contain one or more of these small changes, which has led to a delay in the announcement of sequence results.

More detail on the sequences at Mill Hill is overdue. The rapid spread of H1N1 in Ukraine demands rapid sequence results. Continued delay will only increase concerns.