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Tampa intelligence officer wants to know if Fort Hood shooter had 'sinister' connections
ABC Action News ^ | 11/6/2009 | Jeff Butera

Posted on 11/05/2009 9:40:14 PM PST by Saije

According to retired Col. Mike Pheneger, who spent 30 years as a military intelligence officer including five years at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, said United States intelligence should be focusing on why suspected Fort Hood gunman Nidal Malik Hasan did what he did.

It is possible that Hasan was merely unhappy about an imminent deployment to either Iraq or Afghanistan, as some have speculated, Pheneger said.

But Pheneger believes there are enough facts about Hasan's background that merit at least some suspicion about his motivation.

"One of the issues they're trying to figure out is whether the guy was simply individually motivated by his distaste with the Army and his unwillingness to go ahead and deploy or whether there's some more sinister aspect to the whole thing," Pheneger said.

Among the "more sinister aspects" that Pheneger suggested were that Hasan is a "lone wolf" who has sympathy for Islamic militancy and "decided to go act on his own to do some damage" or that he could have "consciously been placed as a plant in the U.S. Army."

Pheneger believes the last suggestion is the least likely but also the most sinister.

Late Thursday, federal law enforcement officials said Hasan had been on their radar for at least six months because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats.

Pheneger said Hasan's computer would be one place intelligence officers would be looking. They would also delve into Hasan's social network and check with intelligence sources to find out if Hasan had ever had contact with organizations around the world, he said.

"I normally take these things with a grain of salt," Pheneger said, "but the other factor that comes in here is this guy handles a gun awfully well for a doctor."

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Hadn't really thought about that last part.
1 posted on 11/05/2009 9:40:15 PM PST by Saije
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To: Saije

Why do guys like this state the obvious, but then walk away from a perfectly sane observation by saying it is the “least possible”


2 posted on 11/05/2009 9:45:07 PM PST by gusty
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To: Saije

It was my *first* thought, knowing how tight the security is on the base! Glad to know I’m not the only one with my tin foil hat on!

I also find it very coincidental that this happened almost immediately after the Michele Bachmann Rally in DC, and that HolyO tried to steal their thunder by taking over Robert “Beltway Bob” Gibbs’ presser at the same time. Then when he was supposed to comment on the shootings during his speech, he spent several minutes ‘shouting out’ to his buds instead of immediately commenting on it—and in a very perfunctory, couldn’t care less attitude sort of way...connections?? Who knows, but like Alice said, curiouser and curiouser.


3 posted on 11/05/2009 9:45:52 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: Saije

I had...I wondered how many hours he’s spent at the range recently....


4 posted on 11/05/2009 9:46:07 PM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: Saije
RINO McCain wouldn't approve of waterboarding even this POS.

Hopefully someone will and he'll spill his guts.

5 posted on 11/05/2009 9:47:20 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Saije
...or that he could have "consciously been placed as a plant in the U.S. Army."

Grooming a plant with four years of medical school and a residency is a weird and costly way to plant someone who in the end did something any six-week enlistee could have done equally well.

If this Tampa intelligence office can't figure this out, I wonder about the rest of what he is speculating.

6 posted on 11/05/2009 9:48:47 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Saije
'sinister' connections

The Koran, maybe? It gives him authority to avenge the "infidels."

7 posted on 11/05/2009 9:49:17 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: Saije

Qur’an:9:112, “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.” .


8 posted on 11/05/2009 9:49:29 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Hope and Change in 2010)
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To: Saije

Don’t all members of the military have substantial training in using weapons?


9 posted on 11/05/2009 9:49:37 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Saije
Late Thursday, federal law enforcement officials said Hasan had been on their radar for at least six months because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats.

If the SOB wanted out he could have claimed he had sex with Obama. His Muslin founding didn't allow that. It was Muslin terrorism tried and true.

10 posted on 11/05/2009 9:52:57 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Saije
It is possible that Hasan was merely unhappy about an imminent deployment to either Iraq or Afghanistan, as some have speculated, Pheneger said '

Yeah, it happens regularly when someone is unhappy about an imminent deployment. He just decides to kill or wound 43 of his fellow soldiers.

11 posted on 11/05/2009 9:53:07 PM PST by kabar
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To: Saije
I think after this and the previous Muslim incidents involving the Armed Forces there should be a removal of all Muslims from the military.

Sorry, we're at war.

I know we have a Constitution and Rule of Law but it's not a suicide pact.

Would we have tolerated known, vocal Nazi sympathizers during WW2? Hell no.

12 posted on 11/05/2009 9:54:13 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Saije

Why are so many troops getting killed in Afghan? Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood moles in the white hut feeding intel to the Taliban and Alqeada?

Thanks Judge David O. Carter. Nice job.


13 posted on 11/05/2009 9:57:16 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Saije

Here is an interesting link and possible connection>

“Army Major (Hasan) Played Role in Presidential (Obama) Transition”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2379728/posts

He worked for Homeland Security in Obozo’s transition team.

Was Hasan heckled by the Troops at Hood for his sympathy for his fellow Muslims. Did he explode and shoot a bunch of them?

Was this about his connection to the Obozo team. Many in the Mil would not like him for this.

Just a question.


14 posted on 11/05/2009 10:03:05 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: Saije
>>>Hadn't really thought about that last part. <<<

Yeah, that was a real "Bingo" to me to. Especially for a Psychiatrist - not likely to see combat!!

Good observation.

Hopefully someone that sharp is running the investigation!!

15 posted on 11/05/2009 10:04:32 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: goodnesswins

Medical doctors are not known to be out on the range and unless things have changed in recent years don’t have to qualify in small arms training.


16 posted on 11/05/2009 10:08:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: freespirited

No, not all members receive “substantial training in using weapons”. Doctors would most likely be given a simple familiarization course in using the .45 caliber pistol or whatever the Army is now using. He would also be given a rudimentary familiarization in the M-16 rifle and how to clean it. Most likely, he would fire this rifle on a 10 or 25 meter zero range. If he is lucky, he might get to fire the m-16 on a regular range but no more than this. In short, not much.


17 posted on 11/05/2009 10:09:12 PM PST by miele man
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To: Saije
"I normally take these things with a grain of salt," Pheneger said, "but the other factor that comes in here is this guy handles a gun awfully well for a doctor."

Added to the fact that there's at least 10 years of this guy's life basically unaccounted for, the "things that make you go hmmmmm" reflex is now kicking into overdrive in me....

the infowarrior

18 posted on 11/05/2009 10:11:25 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: freespirited
>>> Don’t all members of the military have substantial training in using weapons? <<<

Sure - but if your speciality is Psychiatry, you are unlikely to train as hard or take it as seriously as the "trigger pullers" next to you. ....unless of course you were a plant intent on doing damage at some point.

I doubt that there are many 'front line' psychiatrists deployed in theater.

Also, remember the Islamic soldier that "fragged" his commanding officer's tent with a grenade just before the kick off of Desert Storm. He admitted doing it to avoid having to battle Muslims....and was openly hostile to infidels.

19 posted on 11/05/2009 10:14:21 PM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: freespirited
Don’t all members of the military have substantial training in using weapons?

Not really. Those who work in "comabt arms" (Infantry, Armor, Artillery, etc.) do, but those in comabt support usually only get basic training and proficiency. Those in the medical fields, even less...

the infowarrior

20 posted on 11/05/2009 10:14:45 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Plutarch

On another thread someone calculated that there is a 7-year gap in the Major’s adult life.

Where was he and what was he doing?

Remember, people do things then change their minds, than change their minds again.


21 posted on 11/05/2009 10:26:32 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Saije

They should check the mosque nearby on Friday. Immediately after 9/11/2001, the mosque near me was totally empty. Normally on Fridays there were cars parked along the street for a quarter mile in each direction and men in dresses all over the place. I’d bet his mosque will be empty this week.


22 posted on 11/05/2009 10:36:06 PM PST by saint
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To: PhiKapMom

I read elsewhere on FR that he had extensive advanced training in shooting.


23 posted on 11/05/2009 11:10:05 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“Officials say Hasan used two handguns, including a semi-automatic, to fire at fellow soldiers. Neither of the guns was military-issue.”

Found the above at the Dallas Morning News which means his training was outside the military since the guns he used were not military-issue. Military doesn’t usually waste time on training doctors to shoot.


24 posted on 11/05/2009 11:17:59 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

If what I read elsewhere is true it makes one wonder why he felt a need to be a good shooter. Also, in keeping with what you said I doubt as a psychiatrist he was issued a handgun.

I think he just couldn’t bear, as a “good” Muslim, to be directly involved with fighting his fellow jihadists. Instead, he had his own jihad at home.

In Islam, what is good and what is bad? It all seems backward to me.

Good is enslaving women, imprisoning people with an improper beard, slaying your own daughters or wives for some perceived harm to one’s honor, killing all who are not like you. Bad is the improper beard, a woman showing more than her eyes in public, etc.

How can there possibly be peace and honor living like that?


25 posted on 11/05/2009 11:41:24 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Ax; Azeem; ...

MI Ping


26 posted on 11/06/2009 12:37:06 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: ASA Vet

I anticipate more of this, and all will cite insults to Islam as something that drove them over the edge. There’s been plenty of time to infiltrate the military and civilian security organizations.
What interests me specifically about this guy is the statement that he was of interest to the feds for several months. This, coupled with the claims of other officers - I’m basing this on earlier reports about this incident - that he had praised other attacks on US troops makes me wonder why he hadn’t been questioned already. Making those statements seems to fit SAEDA criteria, at the very least.


27 posted on 11/06/2009 2:04:31 AM PST by MadJack ("Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet." (Afghan proverb))
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To: pillut48

You are the first commenter on the confluence of events — Hasan seems like a plant to me, also, who let loose at the perfect distracting moment...and Obama’s behavior cannot be described as anything but peculiar and inappropriate—but then, he may have known about the situation all along, so it WASN’t news to him—he showed us that much!!!


28 posted on 11/06/2009 2:16:09 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: SatinDoll

THere’s a seven-year gap in our President’s life too!


29 posted on 11/06/2009 2:17:57 AM PST by browniexyz
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To: Saije

I’d be looking into this guy’s mosque and whether his imam has been pumping thoughts of jihad into his brain.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 2:31:43 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("Prosperity is just around the corner." VP Charles Curtis, 1932)
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To: PhiKapMom; Mind-numbed Robot

It would have been highly unusual for him to have used a military issue weapon because those are kept locked up in the company arms room except for training when they are needed. He could not have just walked up to the company armorer and said “I need to check my pistol out for a couple of hours.” The armorer would have to check with his 1st Sergeant and/or company commander first. Just because he was an officer, he could not legally order the armorer to give it to him because the company commander is “owns” all of the unit’s weapons and is the only person who can authorize them being issued while a unit is in garrison.

At least these were the rules at Ft. Hood in 1979-80 when I was there and when I was a squadron and brigade S-2 in Germany 83-89. And knowing the “anal-retentiveness” of the Army, those rules would not have been loosened over they last 30 years.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 4:51:48 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the info. That makes perfect sense. I suppose MPs and such are armed, right?


32 posted on 11/06/2009 5:29:46 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: PhiKapMom

I read omewhere that he had taken extensive extra training in firearms. My son was a medic, but took extra training in firearms. Felt like he might be called upon to protect his patients and wanted to have the training to do so.


33 posted on 11/06/2009 6:56:43 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: Plutarch

Remember who drove the car bomb into the UK airport: doctors.


34 posted on 11/06/2009 7:00:08 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Saije

And, of course, we haven’t even STARTED the conversation about the major getting on base with two privately owned handguns when we properly trained CHL holders can’t bring our weapons on base.

Colonel, USAFR


35 posted on 11/06/2009 7:01:50 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Saije

“I normally take these things with a grain of salt,” Pheneger said, “but the other factor that comes in here is this guy handles a gun awfully well for a doctor.”

My feelings EXACTLY when I heard 12 KIA and 31 WIA from one guy with two handguns.

Colonel, USAFR


36 posted on 11/06/2009 7:03:30 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Saije

The handling of the gun aspect is overrated. Certain venues — medical waiting rooms among them do not provide cover, running room or escape routes, the body is fully exposed, easy to hit.


37 posted on 11/06/2009 7:05:09 AM PST by bvw
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To: freespirited

“Don’t all members of the military have substantial training in using weapons?”

You’d think so, but, sadly, no. Especially docs who have spent most of their time in med school, internship, residency and fellowship training. They generally get one day out at the range to qualify, then some additional range time if they’re about to deploy, but that’s about it. I got three expert marksmanship ribbons (2 AF, 1 Navy) in three trips to the range, having never fired the particular weapon before (M-9, M-38, M-16). I got proficient when I got my own weapon and chose (and choose) to spend the time on the range to be comfortable and proficient with it.

Colonel, USAFR


38 posted on 11/06/2009 7:07:56 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“it makes one wonder why he felt a need to be a good shooter”

Well, I’m a JAG, but since I’m also a gun-totin’ Texas judge, I feel the need to be a good shooter.

Colonel, USAFR


39 posted on 11/06/2009 7:11:53 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Plutarch

Grooming someone that long... Remember you don’t look
at Majors, you look through them.
An EM is under the scrutiny of senior EMs and Officers
and is watched by one or the other most of the time.

Certainly it would be an advantage to have someone higher
in the chain of command, for several reasons.


40 posted on 11/06/2009 7:18:59 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Saije; maggief

Below is a really interesting background on the mass murdering Islamofascist from maggief:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2379404/posts?page=1850#1850

OBIT - HASAN , HANAN ISMAIL, (NORA)
Roanoke Times, The (VA) - Thursday, May 31, 2001
HASAN , Hanan Ismail, (Nora), 49, passed away Wednesday, May 30, 2001, surrounded by her loved ones. She was born in Palestine January 15, 1952 and came to the United States as a young girl. She moved to Roanoke in 1986 after her husband, the late Malik Hasan , came here the year before to begin what would be a successful business venture for the entire family. Nora became infamous in Roanoke for her leadership in running the Capitol Restaurant, formerly located on the Market. She was known for her ability to keep sometimes rowdy customers out of trouble and always had a warm meal for someone who otherwise would not have anything to eat that evening. She was also a major figure at the Community Grocery Store and in the establishment of the Mount Olive Grill and Bar. She was preceded in death by her husband three years ago. She is survived by her three sons, Nidal , Anas, and Eyad; her parents; six sisters; two brothers; 29 nieces and nephews; 2 great-nieces; and scores of extended family. She will be greatly missed by all those who knew her. Funeral services and prayers will be held May 31 at Dar Al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church at 1 p.m. Interment will follow in National Memorial Park. Please send condolences to the Hasan Family c / o Community Grocery, 124 Elm Avenue, SW, Roanoke, Va. 24016.


41 posted on 11/06/2009 7:20:32 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: Bosco

“Would we have tolerated known, vocal Nazi sympathizers during WW2? Hell no.”

One of my aunts was married to a German American, who served in WWI on our side.

Later in WWII he turned in two of his Uncles in Law, (they were married to his aunts) for being active Nazis.

The Male Nazis were sent to a high security prison, and the aunts were held in a federal minimum security prison for the duration of the war. After the war, the uncles were deported to Germany. The aunts went back to Germany by themselves a few years later, because they couldn’t get away from the stigmas of their husbands.


42 posted on 11/06/2009 7:27:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: jagusafr
Well, I’m a JAG, but since I’m also a gun-totin’ Texas judge, I feel the need to be a good shooter.

A totally different animal as compared to a Muslim psychiatrist. I know there are possible innocent explanations for his desire but the most likely one is the one I suggested.

I wish there were more like you as I am in Texas, too.

43 posted on 11/06/2009 7:27:21 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the info!


44 posted on 11/06/2009 7:45:57 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Roses0508

I can see the medics wanting to be fully trained as they are on the front lines, but a doctor? I cannot feature the AF doctors I knew taking any opetional gun training and most didn’t even want to do the mandatory firing range — then the AF said only people headed for combat and none of the Medical Center doctors went back.

A AF psychiatrist doing gun training gives me the creeps.


45 posted on 11/06/2009 7:52:15 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: infowarrior
Added to the fact that there's at least 10 years of this guy's life basically unaccounted for, the "things that make you go hmmmmm" reflex is now kicking into overdrive in me....

Big deal.

Look how much 'missing life' the CIC has:

MISSING-HIDDEN DOCUMENTS:

Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original (?) found in Kenya, multiple counterfeit documents released to vaccinate against the day the real one surfaces)
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released -- Proven Counterfeit ObamaFiles
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Not Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport used for the 1981 Pakistan trip -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None

46 posted on 11/06/2009 8:05:01 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 289 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Plutarch
Grooming a plant with four years of medical school and a residency is a weird and costly way to plant someone who in the end did something any six-week enlistee could have done equally well.

Yeah. But perhaps they were hoping for more out of him, and he had premature jihadulation.

A sufficiently determined and oil riches funded enemy could groom, what? hundreds? thousands, tens of thousands? of plants for places of great and petty power.

Heck, they might even get lucky and have one elected to CIC.

THEORETICALLY it could happen...

47 posted on 11/06/2009 8:13:26 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 289 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Yes, on duty MPs are armed. I see them nearly everyday walking around post with their side-arms (9mm Barettas). When an MP goes off shift, he turns in his weapon to the arms room.


48 posted on 11/06/2009 9:37:48 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

I just read that it was a female civilian police officer who had been directing traffic who took him out while being wounded herself. Would that be a Killeen police officer or what?


49 posted on 11/06/2009 9:43:40 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

I don’t know for sure, but probably a DoD civilian police force member and not a member of the Kileen PD. There isn’t a reason that I can think of for a member of the Kileen PD to be directing traffic on post.


50 posted on 11/06/2009 9:53:44 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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