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Fort Hood gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he opened fire
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Posted on 11/06/2009 7:04:42 AM PST by traumer

Army psychiatrist remains on ventilator after rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 28

A US army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Afghanistan allegedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", as he opened fire at a military base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 28.

The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted the Arabic phrase just before he began his shooting spree at Fort Hood military installation yesterday, according to the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone.

Hasan's family said he had been dreading deployment.

Twelve of those killed were soldiers; one was a civilian. All of the wounded were in a stable condition, officials said at a press conference today. Among them are Hasan himself and Kimberly Munley, the civilian police officer who shot Hasan and was hit in the gunfire.

Contrary to initial reports, Hasan is alive but has not yet been interviewed by investigators as he is on a ventilator. "He is in a stable condition," an army medical spokesman said.

Commander Colonel Steven Braverman, who was a colleague of Hasan at the Darnall army medical centre on Fort Hood, said Hasan performed well in his job and had showed no obvious signs of trouble. "We are not aware of any problems that he had while he was here at Darnall," said Braverman, adding: "We had no problems with his job performance while he was working with us."

Braverman confirmed Hasan had received orders to deploy to Afghanistan.

One of Hasan's cousins, Nader Hasan, told reporters he had been dreading going to war, having counselled scores of returning soldiers for post-traumatic stress disorder.

"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," the cousin said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

Family and fellow officers said Hasan had complained of harassment by other troops about his Middle Eastern ethnicity and Muslim faith.

The FBI was last night going through Hasan's phone and computer records to see if a motive could be identified. Agents were checking back on website postings by a man who identified himself as Nidal Hasan that appeared sympathetic to suicide bombings.

At about 1.30pm yesterday, Virginia-born Hasan is said to have opened fire with two handguns at the base's soldier readiness centre where troops were having equipment checks, dental treatment and undergoing other preparations before being flown to Iraq or as they returned from combat. Neither of the guns are believed to have been military-issue.

Ford Hood's deputy base commander, Colonel John G Rossi, said about 500 soldiers were in the area when Hasan entered the centre wearing military uniform. He shot some victims at close range and others were injured as the bullets ricocheted, Rossi said.

Troops are not allowed to carry firearms on the base and armed military police quickly swarmed to scene. One of them, a female officer, brought him down.

Soldiers tore up their uniforms to bandage the injured. Troops at a graduation ceremony nearby, attended by 600, have been praised for quickly blocking the doors when the firing began.

The base went into lockdown for several hours amid fears other gunmen were involved.

Greg Schanepp, who was representing a local congressman at the graduation, told how a soldier who had been shot in the back came running towards him and alerted him to the shooting, telling him not to go in the direction of the killer.

The base commander, Cone, said only military police on the base carried guns.

Cone did not speculate on a motive, but the army released a statement saying the shootings did not appear to be an act of political terrorism. Two other people were questioned and then released.

Federal law enforcement officials told Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of his web postings, which discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

One of the web posts that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the post. "Scholars have paralled [sic] this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

The officials said Hasan appeared to have made the postings but it was still being checked.

The wounded were taken to hospitals in the central Texas region. Lisa Pfund said her daughter Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach and was in a stable condition. "We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," she told Associated Press.

Barack Obama, interrupting a speech in Washington, said the incident was a "horrific outburst of violence".

The gunman showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at a convenience store for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, manager of a local 7-Eleven.

"He came in [Thursday] morning just like normal," she told the Houston Chronicle, "nothing weird, nothing out of the ordinary."

Video footage was shown on CNN last night apparently of Hasan in a shop in the morning – about six to seven hours before the shooting – looking relaxed as he bought some goods.


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1 posted on 11/06/2009 7:04:43 AM PST by traumer
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To: traumer

It was Jihad within the ranks, like the case of Sgt. Asan Akbar in 2003.

This Hasan has been a live one for a long time, even suggestiong that more Muslims should attack and kill us after the Arkansas recruiter was killed.

Hopefully he will get the same sentence that Akbar got...and hopefully, unlike Akbar, it will be carried out swiftly.

Maybe they can have a double execution, executed by firing squad with pig-blood soaked bullets, having them fall into a trench of pig entrails before being buried there. It’s what he deserves in his own mind...and it’s time we started playing with their minds, IMHO, just like that. It may save American life if they realize in their own minds that their Jihad will be foiled and they will not got to Heaven for their 72.


2 posted on 11/06/2009 7:05:00 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: traumer

..a pre-meditated act of terrorism--Jihad...


3 posted on 11/06/2009 7:06:46 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: traumer

How can anyone deny this was terrorism?


4 posted on 11/06/2009 7:07:32 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: traumer

Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Every muslim is a risk of it.


5 posted on 11/06/2009 7:08:49 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GeronL

The msm is trying to blame the U.S fighting in Afganistan.
The FACT is he didn’t want to kill fellow MUSLIMS.


6 posted on 11/06/2009 7:10:42 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: GeronL

But, but, but they don’t have a motive yet.


7 posted on 11/06/2009 7:11:03 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: traumer

Muslim traitor recipe: lightly grease rope with pig fat and hang him.


8 posted on 11/06/2009 7:12:27 AM PST by D Rider
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To: traumer

Off topic question. Do the wounded (and dead) soldiers from this incident get the purple heart? Is this considered line of duty?


9 posted on 11/06/2009 7:13:40 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: traumer
Cone did not speculate on a motive, but the army released a statement saying the shootings did not appear to be an act of political terrorism. Two other people were questioned and then released.

Federal law enforcement officials told Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of his web postings, which discussed suicide bombings and other threats. One of the web posts that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the post. "Scholars have paralled [sic] this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

Phenominal that these statements could be made together. It was not an act of political terrorism, but he came to their attention because of his political terror statements.

It was Jihad within the ranks plain and simple and we'd best figure out the nature of the enemy and cull them from our ranks. This guy had been giving off the signs for a LOG time and yet was still in uniform working with soldiers going to and returning from the war.

Of course he was harassed. Making the kind of statements he did against the war and for the enemy in the presence of other soldiers who were either going to war or returning fromit ensured that he would be...and I do not blame those soldiers one bit.

The blame falls on Hasan himself and those who left him, after the reports came in, in that position. He was a treacherous enemy within the ranks and he ultimately went Jihad.

10 posted on 11/06/2009 7:13:45 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Travis McGee
Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Every muslim is a risk of it.

Well stated...I hope more people wake up to that fact before it's too late.

Come to think of it, a lot of people need a lot of waking up to do, real soon!

11 posted on 11/06/2009 7:14:15 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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How on earth can the Army deny this was terrorism? It is an OBVIOUS case of Islamic terror. PC kills.


12 posted on 11/06/2009 7:14:20 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: GeronL

Doing that would require a whole can of worms to be opened,

and they are AFRAID to do so.


13 posted on 11/06/2009 7:14:29 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: traumer

Incredibly, the media still has no clue of a motive for the killings.

This is absolute insanity. Whether or not he has some sort of “fear” of going to Afghanistan, what he shouted indicates a clear motive to please Allah by killing Americans.

END OF STORY.


14 posted on 11/06/2009 7:15:32 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: GeronL
Ask the MSM. They don't seem to have a problem ignoring the obvious

Our RELIGION of PC horse doo is biting us in the a#@!!!

You knew this was coming, but I don't understand how military types can trust the lives of our men and women who serve to losers like this. THAT is a criminally negligent state of things.

If you won't admit the realities of living in the 21st century... at least have the intelligence to make enough of a compromise with reality to the extent of protecting yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15 posted on 11/06/2009 7:15:32 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: GeronL
How can anyone deny this was terrorism?

My thoughts exactly.
I wonder who he was in contact with. We'll learn as much about this as we now know of 0's academic record. The press will assist any way they can.

This is the first act of domestic terror since 0 got elected. It hasn't been a year that he's been in office. More to come.

16 posted on 11/06/2009 7:16:05 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Godwin1

The Army can deny it because it’s the very mindset that allowed this lunatic to wear a uniform long after he showed signs of disenchantment with our involvement in Iraq/Afghanistan.


17 posted on 11/06/2009 7:17:37 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Jeff Head

Do we have any sense, yet, or reports of celebratory reactions anywhere else in the world?


18 posted on 11/06/2009 7:17:44 AM PST by cld51860
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To: Jeff Head

This man may be executed, but nothing beyond that will happen. In fact classes to understand the stress that these Amish suffer will be held.

Only 13 killed. It will take hundreds, thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands before the political will exists to make the fundamental changes needed.


19 posted on 11/06/2009 7:17:57 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction;, one of the five top worries of the American farmer.)
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To: MrB
and they are AFRAID to do so

Yup, kind of like another issue I can think of...

20 posted on 11/06/2009 7:18:35 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: traumer

Fort Hood gunman’s entire life is probably ‘Allahu Akbar’.

Islam means “Submit.” My reading of the Quran tells me that Allah, through his prophet and subsequent followers, demands my humble, contrite obedience, or my death.


21 posted on 11/06/2009 7:19:54 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: traumer

I can not effing BELIEVE they are going to bury this the way they are!

Expect it. They are already starting. It must have been AYTHING other than the actual truth. This PC nonsense is making me freakin SICK!

If we refuse to protect ourselves as a people then we d*mn well deserve to be destroyed!

I kept losing my mind yesterday when I kept hearing everyone say “on American soil”. American soil! What the h*ll IS AMerican soil at this point? There is no American soil if this kind of thing is allowed to continue!


22 posted on 11/06/2009 7:20:17 AM PST by The Toll
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To: GonzoGOP

Bump for answer


23 posted on 11/06/2009 7:20:22 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Balding_Eagle

...I know. But the blatant act, the clear warning of it, those individuals and their families who died and are suffering because of it when it could have been averted, all frost me to no end.


24 posted on 11/06/2009 7:20:45 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Balding_Eagle
Only 13 killed. It will take hundreds, thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands before the political will exists to make the fundamental changes needed.

Several years ago, I came to the conclusion that it will take at least one - maybe more - suitcase nukes to be set off during major sporting events for the message to get through. Even at that, the PC Police will say we will have to accept those things as acceptable "collateral damage."

25 posted on 11/06/2009 7:22:51 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I agree. It will take another 9/11 attack or greater to properly address these issues with these murderous Muslim thugs. On Fox right now A shrink says if was the fact that he reacted because of stress, and unfair treatment because of his Muslim faith. B.S.
26 posted on 11/06/2009 7:23:11 AM PST by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: traumer

Probably just a coincidence /liberal


27 posted on 11/06/2009 7:25:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Yup, kind of like another issue I can think of...

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Kenya!
Kenya who?
Kenya show me your birth certificate?

28 posted on 11/06/2009 7:26:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Shut off his.........ventilator now.


29 posted on 11/06/2009 7:30:10 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: tsomer; SMARTY; MrB

I just think we are in more danger when we deny the obvious facts. This man was known to them, they were suspicious of him from his postings and from his preaching Islam to his patients and from the DHS transition thing.

His Martyrdom Operation could have been much worse though if not for a girl, Sgt Kimberly Munley- civilian Ft Hood police officer.


30 posted on 11/06/2009 7:30:24 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: abb
Even at that, the PC Police will say we will have to accept those things as acceptable "collateral damage."

My guess is that there were plenty of people worried about this nut job but were afraid to really push the issue for fear of running afoul of the political correctness crowd.

31 posted on 11/06/2009 7:31:00 AM PST by Cuttnhorse ("Peace" is that brief, glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading. (Anon))
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To: traumer

Military court...military justice...firing squad or hanging. He won’t have to worry about going to Iraq now....


32 posted on 11/06/2009 7:31:23 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: GeronL

Can his victims sue the military for failure of due diligence? (I think that is the term in the law)


33 posted on 11/06/2009 7:32:14 AM PST by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: traumer

Will any Islamic organizations condemn him or will they remain silent as the always do?


34 posted on 11/06/2009 7:32:26 AM PST by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: MrB

LOL...that’s a keeper!


35 posted on 11/06/2009 7:33:14 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: traumer

So he yells Alahu Akbar, but there’s not evidence it was politically motivated?

Hmmm..

So then if I yell “Kill all the Naggers” before opening fire on a rap concert, it won’t be a hate crime either. Right?


36 posted on 11/06/2009 7:33:16 AM PST by Pessimist (u)
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To: traumer

37 posted on 11/06/2009 7:33:27 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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"Commander Colonel Steven Braverman...."

This is the trouble with reporters and editors with military stories....they are so far removed from military experience that they inject all kinds of little screw-ups into their stories unknowingly, and their equally ignorant fellow reporters and editors are not capable of catching it. The result is that the 27 million veterans + active duty + their families are, off the bat, suspicious of the accuracy of other details.

There is no rank of "Commander" or Commander Colonel" in the Army. If the Colonel is the commander of a unit (a role, not a rank), then the reporter should have stated what he was commander of. At any rate, since he is described as a "colleague" of Hasan, that means the colonel is not the commander of the unit Hasan was in.

The press does the same thing with reporters on religious stories, who can't tell you the difference between a Bible and a Bar Mitzvah, reporters who are in the bottom third of the US population in general knowledge on important subjects.

38 posted on 11/06/2009 7:34:54 AM PST by cookcounty ("O-bama, O-bama, Ya ba Ouna, Ya ba Ma !!")
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To: SMARTY

I have no idea if they are allowed to sue


39 posted on 11/06/2009 7:36:44 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: traumer

Then again, Timothy McVeigh was yelling “All for Jesus!!” when he bombed the Federal Building, right? You don’t remember?........< /sarc>


40 posted on 11/06/2009 7:39:33 AM PST by cookcounty ("O-bama, O-bama, Ya ba Ouna, Ya ba Ma !!")
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To: traumer
shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest"

Idiots in the MSM. Allah is not God. The phrase means Allah is greater ... a direct challenge from mohammed to all as he tried to decimate the Jews in his region.
41 posted on 11/06/2009 7:44:44 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: SparkyBass; traumer
Idiots in the MSM. Allah is not God. The phrase means Allah is greater ... a direct challenge from mohammed to all as he tried to decimate the Jews in his region.

Amen !

Many believe Allah is haSatan.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
42 posted on 11/06/2009 7:48:00 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
Many believe Allah is haSatan.

Amen. Making, as many historists believe, mohammed his false prophet.
43 posted on 11/06/2009 7:49:47 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: traumer

Then again, Timothy McVeigh was yelling “All for Jesus!!” when he bombed the Federal Building, right? You don’t remember?........< /sarc>


44 posted on 11/06/2009 7:50:23 AM PST by cookcounty ("O-bama, O-bama, Ya ba Ouna, Ya ba Ma !!")
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To: GonzoGOP

No - just as the poor Soldiers gunned down outside of the recruitng station, they are viewed as crime victims.

If, however, Hell freezes over combined with a total eclipse of the moon and the Army calls this a Terrorist attack, then the possibility of a PH rises to a fraction of a % above nil.

See http://www.purpleheart.org/Membership/default.aspx
a source of all things related to the Purple Heart.

But, thanks for asking....


45 posted on 11/06/2009 7:56:44 AM PST by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: traumer
Why go to Iraq to get murdered by Islamic terrorist when you can just join the Army and get yourself shot by a Muslim terrorist disguised as an Army officer. We now have more casualties among our servicemen stationed at an Army Post inflicted by an Army officer than in the entire war-zone in Iraq over the last three months

Our Armed Services are filled with the same kind of politically correct leadership as our government in general.

What will be the effect on enlistments in our volunteer armed services?

46 posted on 11/06/2009 8:02:54 AM PST by brydic1
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To: traumer
Two things jump out of this article. When his visit to the 7 Eleven is described there is NO mention that he was dressed in traditional Muslim garb. Also, am I remembering correctly, but didn't the cousin say the family was NOT aware that he was going to deploy? Now that's the excuse for his actions.
47 posted on 11/06/2009 8:09:34 AM PST by Bubbette
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To: The Toll

We will go the way of Britain because of this kind of PC weakness. 13 people are dead now because of it. The guy had no business wearing the uniform.


48 posted on 11/06/2009 8:44:18 AM PST by cld51860
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To: Jeff Head
Federal law enforcement officials told Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of his web postings, which discussed suicide bombings and other threats. One of the web posts that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades. "To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the post. "Scholars have paralled [sic] this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."

What's phenominal is that the FBI didn't track this statement back to Hasan and that he wasn't arrested and court martialed.

Or was it considered too politically sensitive to act upon? The guy is a US soldier. He doesn't get the same freedom of speech rights as a civilian does!

49 posted on 11/06/2009 9:17:53 AM PST by B4Ranch ( "Where's the birth certificate?")
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To: B4Ranch

Amen. Hasan should have been drummed out of the service uncerimoniously and without honor long before this ever happened.


50 posted on 11/06/2009 9:20:30 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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