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The Fort Hood shooting suspect's religion is not the point (Who saw this coming?)
The Hartford Courant ^ | November 6, 2009 | Susan Campbell

Posted on 11/06/2009 8:37:38 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Edited on 11/06/2009 8:40:52 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in yesterday's Fort Hood shootings that killed 13 and wounded 30, identifies as a Muslim.

Much has and will be made of his religion from people too ignorant to read a Qur'an, or too isolated to talk to a Muslim, or too stubborn to educate themselves. Even the Washington Post calls him a "devout Muslim." But can a "devout Muslim" commit such acts? No more than a "devout Christian" can, no.


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They will bend themselves like pretzels to make this into just another crime, craziness, Bush's fault, or whatever else they can think up.
1 posted on 11/06/2009 8:37:38 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Susan Campbell has not read the Koran, does not understand the ideology of Islam, and is ignorant of the history of Islam.

What Hasan did is absolutely in line with all of the above.

2 posted on 11/06/2009 8:39:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and instead of going to the war, he brought the war to the US military.

Words fail me.

3 posted on 11/06/2009 8:40:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well, thank goodness he didn't yell "abortion is a sin!" or something before he opened fire.

/sarc

4 posted on 11/06/2009 8:40:33 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here is a statement condemning the act from Council on American-Islamic Relations, which says, in part:
No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation.

And it is permissible to lie to the infidel (Sura something-or-other).

This was Sudden Jihad, plain and simple.

5 posted on 11/06/2009 8:40:46 AM PST by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Me: “Have they released his name yet?”

My sister: “You know what he’ll say.”

My mom: “He’s a Muslim.”

Me: “!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!”


6 posted on 11/06/2009 8:40:55 AM PST by wastedyears (My 15 seconds of fame are on my profile.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=18503e97f397c039

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.”


7 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:04 AM PST by roses of sharon (Call the NFL and welcome their new Commissioner, Al Sharpton.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Susan Campbell is a complete moron.

If a person kills while brandishing a Bible, they are looked at as lunatics by Christians, let alone other religions.

Yet when a person brandishes a Koran and kills people in the name of Allah, we are supposed to NOT blame the religion when people from their religion make the living off telling other Muslims to do such acts?

NO ONE is telling Christians to go kill for God. MANY people are telling Muslims to kill for Allah. They even videotape their murders they commit and post them on YouTube.

Religion of Peace my Ass.


8 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:09 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just a coincidence that he is a Muslim and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he started shooting.

/s


9 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:22 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (TIME Person Of The Year, 2006 (Look it up!).)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Susan - you're an idiot.

Drop the mouse and step away from the keyboard before you hurt someone.

10 posted on 11/06/2009 8:41:39 AM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It most certainly IS the point! The murderer shouted Allu Akbar (or whatever) and that MAKES it the point. It was a religious killing with him.


11 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:06 AM PST by madison10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d be willing to believe this wasn’t due to the shooter’s Muslim beliefs if it was an isolated event.

But then, there was 9/11.

There was the Arkansas shooting of a recruitment center.

There’s all those attacks the world over.

There’s all those sleeper cells being broken up.

I just can’t fool myself any longer.


12 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:19 AM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Its common knowledge that the translation for “Allahu Akbar” is stop teasing me.
13 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:19 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

scampbell@courant.com


14 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:44 AM PST by roses of sharon (Call the NFL and welcome their new Commissioner, Al Sharpton.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not the point????

When he handed out Koran’s the morning of the shooting?

When he shouted Allahu Akbar as he killed US soldiers?

When he objected to being deployed because muslims should not fight mislims?

And the ******** at CAIR want to claim it’s irrelevant?

***** ‘em.


15 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:46 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bravo Sierra to this article. Hasan used his religious beliefs to try and go out in Jihad. Plain and simple.

Does that mean all muslims will do so? No, of course not.

Does it mean there is a latent possibility, depending on how their belief is interpreted (which, BTW, interpretation is rife all across this nation in radical Mosgues)? Yes.

This was Jihad within the ranks, plain and simple. Very similar to Sgt. Akbar in 2003.

Hasan had been under investigation for his statements and internet postings which included suggesting that more Muslims should strap on bombs and take the fight to America after the Arkansas recruiter was killed in Little Rock earlier this year, and posting on the internet that islamic suicide bombers were like US soldiers who jump on a hand grenade to save other soldiers lives.

He was very outspoken against the war and was fighting his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan and was actively fighting it.

Of course he was being harassed by other officers and probably by some enlisted personnel (though they would not do it openly to his face because he, Hasan, himself was an officer...more like the word getting out about his attitude and the way he was treated and responded to, particularly off-duty). I do not blame soldiers for that, for responding with disdain to one who stands against them in their mission and takes up the cause and mantra of the enemy. I blame Hasan himself, and the system that kept him in the position he was after these feelings and beliefs came to light.

He should not have been working with any soldiers returning from the war zone or deplying to it. In fact, he should have been discharged from the military altogether IMHO.

We’d best recognize the warning signs and the source for it and not, as this author does, try and ignore that source or write it off. If we fail to do so, we will see more such events.


16 posted on 11/06/2009 8:42:59 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
islamic/muslim values and culture will never mix with and Judeo-Christian values and culture! ...no matter what liberals tell us!

Much less the intolerant closed eastern-minded cultures vs liberal open western-minded cultures.

This clash results in the regular reporting of so-called 'honor-killings' where a muslim family member is murdered for becoming 'westernized' and 'disrespecting islam'.

17 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:16 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, Susan. It IS the religion.

It’s Islam.

It’s not Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

It’s Islam.

I - S - L - A - M.

Get it, liberal idiot? In your spare time, go back to college and get a degree in something that’s actually challenging.


18 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:19 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, Susan. It IS the religion.

It’s Islam.

It’s not Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

It’s Islam.

I - S - L - A - M.

Get it, liberal idiot? In your spare time, go back to college and get a degree in something that’s actually challenging.


19 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:25 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SaxxonWoods

We gotta stand up to the muslims, the sooner the better.


20 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:30 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
"...No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence...:

Okay. Is it just me, or is this damned idiot living on another planet, in another universe, in a different dimension?

Oh, wait...she writes for the Hartford Courant. Never mind. She is from Connecticut.

21 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:31 AM PST by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Journalism schools must offer a minor in Apologetics. No matter what the situation, or how clear the motives, you can spin it to be something else. They never let the facts stand in their way.

The fact that the guy had a history as a radical muslim and was shouting 'Allah Akbar' as he murdered people apparently doesn't phase these idiots when it comes to making excuses.

22 posted on 11/06/2009 8:43:41 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: BertWheeler

Don’t forget Sgt. Akbar in 2003. That event was the most similar, IMHO, to this one.


23 posted on 11/06/2009 8:44:11 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: manonCANAL

And the muslims in the whitehouse need to go


24 posted on 11/06/2009 8:44:36 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Susan, you ignorant person. His religion is the WHOLE point. His belief in Islam WAS the driving issue behind his murders.


25 posted on 11/06/2009 8:44:56 AM PST by A message
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Read the Quran??? I have... and NOT THE ONE that CAIR hands to Tourists and Stupid Liberals.
and what this bright young man did in Texas Yesterday, is called for IN THE SAME QURAN that we are too STUPID to READ..

allah akbar = BON SAI (for those of you with public education, Japanese cry of victory,used during WWII)


26 posted on 11/06/2009 8:44:59 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (We exposed and removed the RINO ... BEFORE THE ELECTION.... I want MORE!!!)
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To: Da Coyote
But can a "devout Muslim" commit such acts? No more than a "devout Christian" can, no.

"An American Carol" made fun of this STUPID-ASS ASSERTION.

27 posted on 11/06/2009 8:45:17 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They are the ones who need to read the Koran. They only hope the rest of us never do, then everyone would know that the Koran tells Muslims to murder the infidel. And how do they expect to fool people into believing his religion had nothing to do with the murder, when he yelled "Allah Akbar" or however it's spelled when he started shooting?
28 posted on 11/06/2009 8:45:35 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A lot of people saw this coming. They had intel on the shoter, they failed to act. WHY? Afraid of the Obama line of opening up our nation to Muslims.

I say that every Muslim in the US military needs to be reviewed as a potential security risk.

29 posted on 11/06/2009 8:45:40 AM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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I believe Bon Sai is a little tree.

Bonzai! is a warcry.


31 posted on 11/06/2009 8:46:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Just a coincidence that he is a Muslim and shouted “Allahu Akbar” as he started shooting.

They can spin this and put all the lipstick they want on it. We all know this was a jihad against the military. And we knew it immediately after it happened. The media thinks we're all stupid. Let them keep thinking that as they fade off towards irrelevance. The internet is the real time news source. I'll stick to FR and Drudge.

32 posted on 11/06/2009 8:46:33 AM PST by jersey117
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's a barfer from the first sentence: "identifies as a Muslim." See, he's not really a Muslim, he just calls himself a Muslim! That's a big difference, people!

In fact, if a tidbit from a thread yesterday is correct, given the chance to "identify" his religion, he very deliberately and fraudulently did not check the "Muslim" box.

And a "professed" religion? Whatever hair-splitting she did in the first sentence, pretending that a "professed" religion leaves one wiggle room, is hair-splitting-squared.

33 posted on 11/06/2009 8:46:34 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is the drum, and patriotic conservatives need to beat it and beat it and beat it. Get these people out of our military, and furthermore, get them out of our country.

This could be a key to next years elections.


34 posted on 11/06/2009 8:46:41 AM PST by Concho
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTW...I know she didn’t WRITE the statement I quoted, but she agrees with it 100%.


35 posted on 11/06/2009 8:46:49 AM PST by rlmorel (Obama, The Flatulence of One Thousand Black Dogs After Eating Boiled Eggs Be Upon Him...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The politically correct brain numbing deconstruction of western civilization has successfully now killed rational discussion about black crime and corruption, women’s issues, illegal immigration of non whites and homosexual deviance.

Will it succeed in squashing unpleasant truths about Islam?

probably..

It will take a cataclysm to shake this notion from the narcotic haze of anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male revisionism whereby the empirical truth in plain site is eschewed in favor of fantasy that suits ill designed, self serving, blissfully unaware, truly bigoted mythologies.


36 posted on 11/06/2009 8:47:01 AM PST by wardaddy (the pump don't work cause the vandal took the handle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When contorted logic is all you have then...


37 posted on 11/06/2009 8:48:08 AM PST by 556x45
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As usual; they make these insane claims.


38 posted on 11/06/2009 8:48:13 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Islam, A Religion of Peace: Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared," Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’” الاسلام هو شر لا مثيل لها ، ويجب القضاء عليه
39 posted on 11/06/2009 8:48:26 AM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: madison10
It most certainly IS the point!

Just as the pilot of the Air Egypt flight shouted Allah Akbar before crashing the plane on a suicide mission. And what were we told about that? He had financial problems and was distraught.

40 posted on 11/06/2009 8:48:38 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Jeff Head

Susan, if you kiss their asses enough, maybe...just maybe, they’ll kill you last.


42 posted on 11/06/2009 8:49:47 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's time to be asking.....ARE YOU WITH US? Or Are you with our enemies? of certain people....
43 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:08 AM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: Jeff Head
I imagine more than a few people did recognise the warning signs, but their hands were tied thanks to PC. They would have been the ones in trouble for reporting him, as bigots or something. I'd bet money that if someone had reported him before he got to the point of murder, the media would have dived in head first to paint the military as outmoded perpetrators of bigotry.
44 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:29 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: gwilhelm56

Whats with the public education slam?

Speaking of education......it is Bansai.


45 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:29 AM PST by Concho
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Posted on another thread but fits here too.

My point is that the ususal blame someone else mentality of the media is already starting.
1) He’s a shrink...but can’t deal with life in the military.
2) He didn’t shot ALL of the victims.

I don’t think the media should even be allowed to get by with even one story like this.
They are trying to mitigate the huge implications of this on American Soil.


46 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:29 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What would Susan Campbell enjoy more:

1. Being deprived of her job
2. Her burka
3. Being stoned to death for being too western?


47 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:29 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You know, statistically I had about a 1 in a hundred chance of this being a Muslim if it was just some random chance. But somehow way before the guy was identified, I was certain it was a Muslim....How is that?


48 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:38 AM PST by Always Right
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Barack Insane Obama keeps pointing to the contributions Islam made to America. I can think of two:

1. Slavery - Muslims sold Blacks as slaves.

2. Helped create the Marines - Thomas Jefferson created the Marines to go over to the Barbary coast and kick some serious Muslim a**.

49 posted on 11/06/2009 8:50:49 AM PST by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MrB

**I believe Bon Sai is a little tree.

Bonzai! is a warcry.**

I also admit government school education , but it was back when they still taugh this stuff.. but my spelling still ins’t the greatest.

Point still the same.


50 posted on 11/06/2009 8:51:01 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (We exposed and removed the RINO ... BEFORE THE ELECTION.... I want MORE!!!)
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