Gunman apprehended after killing 1, injuring 5 others at Orlando office building [Orlando shooting]

“Now.., as far as making a more complete and comprehensive list — by all means, “go for it”... :-)”

I've seen long lists of Muslim murders in this country. I'm not going to make or retrieve a list now. But, off the top of my head, I remember the LAX airport shootings by a Muslim. It was at the Jewish airline booth. There was also the DC sniper, who was Muslim. There are more mass murders by Muslims in this country that are not on the list you provided. The Trolley Square Mall shooting, on your list, was done by a Muslim, but it does not say so. That might apply to other cases on that list.

It is easy to get a faulty impression because the press does their best to cover up the Muslim connection. Most press reports simply omitted the Muslim identity in the the Trolley Square case. They certainly downplayed it with the Beltway sniper. In the case of the Fort Hood shootings, NBC and CBS nightly news reports, as of Thursday, did not mention that the murderer was Muslim. In the case of the shoe bomber, the press covered up his Muslim connection for many days, perhaps weeks. I first learned that he was Muslim from Ann Coulter. Kudos to Ann. Then it was reported by many sources.

This is an excerpt from a good article:

“Prior to 2009, there have been at least 20 terrorist plots broken up after September 11, 2001—aimed at subways, malls, military bases, airports, bridges, and synagogues. Those foiled cabals are in addition to more common scattered murdering by freelancing angry killers, who in some very general way either evoked radical Islam, their own faith, the Palestinian cause, al-Qaedistic Islamism, or solidarity with worldwide Islam (from the Beltway sniper to the UNC and the San Francisco car murderers), and a number of lethal attacks on Jewish centers and temples resulting in numerous deaths (from the LAX attacks to the San Francisco and Seattle shootings).

In 2002, long ago, I wrote an article in which I called this al Qaedism and updated it with more recent examples in 2007.

In this year alone, aside from the recent mass murdering at Ft. Hood, there have been four more terrorist plots uncovered. Colorado resident Najibullah Zazi was recently indicted for conspiring to use explosives in the U.S., apparently as part of a plot to let off a bomb in New York on the anniversary of 9/11. In addition, North Carolina residents Daniel Patrick Boyd and Hysen Sherifi were arrested and charged with conspiring to murder U.S. military personnel at Quantico, Virginia. In Texas, Hosam Maher Husein Smadi—a 19-year-old Jordanian citizen who was in the U.S. illegally—was arrested and charged after he placed a would-be bomb near Fountain Place, a 60-story office tower in downtown Dallas.

Most recently in Boston, a Massachusetts man was arrested in connection with terrorist plots that included attacks on U.S. shopping malls and on two White House officials. Tarek Mehanna, 27, of Sudbury, Mass, was charged with plotting with other terrorists from 2001 to May 2008 to carry out overseas and domestic terrorist attacks— including killing shoppers and first responders at malls.”

Excerpt from:
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/fort-hood%e2%80%94a-now-familiar-tragedy/

Oh..., I can look up that “terrorist list” of all terrorist attacks all over the globe, if that’s what you’re talking about. It a fairly comprehensive list. But, I already know about the Islamic terrorist threat and what they’ve done.

BUT, in this list that I copied and if it were expanded by Freepers, what we’re talking about here — are “mass shootings” — where someone (terrorist or disgruntled employee or crazy guy or some loon or whatever) goes out and shoots up a group of people (for whatever crazy reason he has [whether it’s a religious-crazy or plain-crazy..., whatever it may be).

So, terrorist attacks are one thing and mass shootings in our society (of which that list represents it) are another thing.

And in that list, I know that people would have a tendancy to put in another group of shootings that I wouldn’t categorize under this public mass shooting. That group is a family killing, where one member of the family takes out the whole family and then kills themselves or surrenders. That’s of another category altogether.

Yesterday’s “mass shooting” I would put in that “public mass shooting” list, too — but as Islamic-terror motivated, while today’s mass shooting as a crazy/disgruntled and nutso-guy acting insanely.

So, you could get three lists going here. One of those lists is already compiled and is quite complete. The Islamic terrorist list of attacks is already compiled, up-to-date and quite complete and goes back for many years.

The other list is the public mass shootings. And then you could put together another list of “private mass shootings/killings” (where the people are related).

Say..., can we get a government grant on these studies? ... LOL...

Mass shootings/killings have been part of our society for a long while now... On and on it goes...

In America, sometimes people try to shoot a bunch of other people. Invariably, they are stopped. And the liberal media and anti-gunners try to increase the emotional impact of these tragedies in any way possible. One of those ways is to hammer on the use of the word "mass" - like you have.

But in communist countries, there have been true mass killings. Not thousands, or hundreds of thousands, but millions and millions of people killed. In fact, over a hundred million people killed. Those are true "mass" killings.

So when some "observer" like you describes and emphasizes a multiple shooting as a "mass killing," you are knowingly and deliberately trying to create an equivalency comparison with the genuine communist "mass killings" of millions of people.

And to help this comparison, you don't contrast the people who die in a multiple shooting with the hundred million gun owners in the U.S. who did not participate in that shooting, or the two million people each year who use guns to warn off a threat of physical violence without ever firing a shot.

So what's my point? Simply that you aren't anywhere near neutral, and you aren't a mere observer of statistics. That you have a very devious and sinister agenda - to play with words and concepts to try to poison people's understanding of their "culture" and "society," and thereby get a free and good people to think of themselves as the moral equivalents of mass murdering communists.

So to me, you not only slander peaceful, sane, gun-owning Americans, and endanger millions who are safe from threat each year because of their gun ownership, but you also slander and violate the memory of over a hundred million people who were victims of genuine mass killings.

That's just my way of saying that my "we" is not your "we."

You were saying ...

But in communist countries, there have been true mass killings. Not thousands, or hundreds of thousands, but millions and millions of people killed. In fact, over a hundred million people killed. Those are true "mass" killings.

There are different categories and kinds of killings. There are killings for hire, killings during crimes committed for other reasons, there are killings by the Islamic terrorists, and there are killings in war and also there are killings by dictators and despots who can kill many more than any citizen or even those Islamic terrorists have done.

But, in this case (when using the terminology "mass killings" in America), this is an instance of the kind of killings in which they are done by people in this country killing other people in a public setting. Those are the ones which are referred to as "mass killings" (and/or public killings). That's the kind where someone ends up killing people they may have known (worked with or associated with or related to) and also others in the public right along with them.

We're all very familiar with this kind of "mass killing" in America, in public with strangers and/or some who may be known by the perpetrator[s]. We've seen it enough times in the last few decades...

No, in this case it was an Islamic terrorist killing. And in other cases in America, there are - as you said, "killings for hire, killings during crimes committed for other reasons."

Then there are killings "where someone ends up killing people they may have known (worked with or associated with or related to) and also others in the public right along with them." But what you don't mention is that these latter killings, despite their screaming, blood-spattered gun-grabber headlines, are statistically the absolutely least likely cause of gun death in America.

So my point stands. You pervert statistics to bloat the perception of these types of killings, you invoke monstrous associations, and you hide statistics which would easily reveal the miniscule threat of such occurences compared to other dangers. And why? Because you want people to fear guns, to doubt their competency, and to move politically towards voting for regimes which would delegalize and seize guns from the people, and put them solely in the hands of the government.

Which is exactly the scenario proven to be historically necessary for, as you put it: "killings by dictators and despots who can kill many more than any citizen or even those Islamic terrorists have done."

What a nice goal for your efforts.

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