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Kimberly Munley ended Fort Hood rampage using Virginia Tech lessons
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 11/6/2009 | Patrick Jonsson

Posted on 11/06/2009 3:26:00 PM PST by Saije

Lessons learned from the horrific Virginia Tech shootings in 2007 are credited with averting an even bigger massacre at Fort Hood, Texas, Thursday afternoon when police officer Kimberly Munley confronted the gunman without waiting for backup and took him down with four shots.

Reviews in the aftermath of the shootings at Virginia Tech, where 32 died, found that first responders' decision to be careful and wait for backup probably cost lives as that gunman moved unchecked from classroom to classroom as law enforcement massed outside.

Those findings had found their way to Fort Hood's Special Reaction Team, which had practiced an entirely new protocol for at least a year before Thursday afternoon's rampage here, in which 13 were killed and at least 28 wounded.

"The lesson from Virginia Tech was, don't wait for backup but move to the target and eliminate the shooter," says Chuck Medley, chief of Fort Hood's emergency services. "It requires courage and it requires skill."

The task on Thursday fell to the petite Ms. Munley, a civilian police officer employed by the Army at Fort Hood. Munley had taken part in intensive active-shooter training during the past year.

One of the first responders, she exited her car and entered the building as shots rang out. She rounded a corner, identified the shooter, and fired four times. He returned fire and hit her at least twice in the legs and once in the arm. She underwent surgery Friday but is said to be in good condition. It's unclear how many other responders were present and firing, but Munley's shots are believed to be the ones that stopped the alleged gunman, Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: forthood; hasan; killings; leo; lessons; munley; nidalmalikhasan; virginiatech; vt
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To: rabidralph

Well, in all the coverage I never heard that. I am not hysterical. I’m a little peculiar, but not hysterical.


41 posted on 11/06/2009 4:55:25 PM PST by visualops (Freepin' Pre!)
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To: Saije

‘You’ll fight as you train’ is certainly a truism, isn’t it?


42 posted on 11/06/2009 4:56:53 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: Vendome

Ha! Love it!!!

the only two countries where women are tough fighters....America and Israel.


43 posted on 11/06/2009 5:00:47 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: visualops

Okie doke. Things were moving pretty quickly last night, as you know, and so little details drop off after a while. In the same way, in a few days, the media will stop asking if they guy said allahu akbar and they’ll just pretend as if it never happened.


44 posted on 11/06/2009 5:15:46 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: William Tell

She was taking her car to the repair shop. It says so in the above story.


45 posted on 11/06/2009 5:17:36 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: Saije

I hope I get to see Hussein, famously remembered for his “the cops acted stupidly” comment, having to present a medal to this hero cop for taking down one of his Muslim buddies.


46 posted on 11/06/2009 5:26:04 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: scoobysnak71

isn’t Hasan still alive?


47 posted on 11/06/2009 5:29:32 PM PST by tioga ( November 6, 2012 - Cannot come soon enough.)
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To: sockmonkey
"I heard on the news that she is also a Mom."

She saved another cop's life back in 2000. Here's the FR link:

Fort Hood heroine saved Wrightsville Beach detective's life

48 posted on 11/06/2009 5:31:54 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Saije
For the rest of her life...

Kimberly Munley will be under the watchful eye of a grateful group of fatigue wearing guardian angels.

49 posted on 11/06/2009 5:32:04 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: tioga

Yeah, and his "Brother" muzzie is POTUS

50 posted on 11/06/2009 5:33:06 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: rabidralph
rabidralph said: "She was taking her car to the repair shop."

I did read that. It's puzzling that many reports, perhaps mistakenly, state that her partner was at the scene also. That's a strange thing to report without also reporting the partner's name, whether the partner fired any shots, whether the partner was wounded, and many other details.

Have you read anything else about other responders? Supposedly there were other responders. One article even mentioned the possibility of "friendly fire".

51 posted on 11/06/2009 6:24:12 PM PST by William Tell
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To: rabidralph

Virginia Tech, this. Virginia Tech, that. VT is always in the news.


52 posted on 11/06/2009 7:48:19 PM PST by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Saije

VT Police did not wait. The shooter chained the doors shut and they had to be blown open.


53 posted on 11/06/2009 7:52:23 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: William Tell

I have been hearing rumors of friendly fire, coming from the media. I suppose the mystery is how a guy with two handguns could shoot 43 people, while eyewitnesses say he was “deliberate” in shooting and sometimes shooting people more than once. If Officer Munley encountered the terrorist outside then why would the victims be subject to friendly fire? Lots of things still don’t make sense and I’m sure it will take a while to sort the facts out.


54 posted on 11/06/2009 8:02:48 PM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: animal172
"That’s old school. I don’t know of anyone using the wait for the cavalry anymore. Whoever gets there first goes in."

I'm not so sure that's completely accurate. When the Hmong went nuts in upstate NY earlier this year (maybe it was late last year), the police waited quite sometime before making entry into the building, where of course they found the man dead by his own hand.

And then today, it hasn't been totally clear, but I believe that the first responders waited for some time before making their way up to the floors in question.

Police departments should reevaluate their policy of waiting until reinforcements and SWAT arrive before attempting to make entry. That is valuable time and excess opportunity for the killer to kill more people, IMHO.

55 posted on 11/06/2009 8:14:07 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: animal172
As the old saying goes, When seconds count, the Police will be there in minutes.

Or my favorite, I carry a Gun because a Cop is too heavy.

56 posted on 11/06/2009 8:18:47 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Conservatives THINK people are smart. Liberals KNOW people are stupid.)
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To: OldDeckHand
I can only speak for the training conducted by my PD, but our active shooter training mandates that there is no waiting even if you are the only officer on scene. Our protocol comes from new techniques that come from some of the mass school shootings we've seen in the recent past. I know of very few PD’s that don't train the same way. That is not to say that there aren't some stuck in the old ways of doing things. There is a much higher chance of an officer being injured now under the active shooter response, but that is part of the job.
57 posted on 11/07/2009 2:38:58 AM PST by animal172 (Why doesn't affirmative action apply to the NBA or NFL?)
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To: Kickass Conservative

“As the old saying goes, When seconds count, the Police will be there in minutes.”

Touche. It does take us a few minutes to go on scene. Once there though we try to do our jobs. At least we do in the department I retired from. Did we make mistakes? Darned right we did, but we tried to learn from them so they wouldn’t be repeated.


58 posted on 11/07/2009 2:43:02 AM PST by animal172 (Why doesn't affirmative action apply to the NBA or NFL?)
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To: tioga

>”isn’t Hasan still alive?”

Nope.


59 posted on 11/07/2009 3:17:06 AM PST by scoobysnak71
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To: scoobysnak71
”isn’t Hasan still alive?”

Nope.

 From ABC News:

The suspect in the shooting, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was transferred Friday to the Brook Army Medical Center in San Antonio. He is reportedly on a respirator, suffering from paralysis, although he is said to be in stable condition.


60 posted on 11/07/2009 3:25:59 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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