Posted on 11/07/2009 2:27:08 AM PST by RobinMasters
Apparently Rep. Deal knew he was going to stir up quite the proverbial hornet’s nest by seriously suggesting that he was going to ask the President to see his birth certificate. So, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (h/t PeachPundit), the castigations are now beginning.
As you read through what I post from the article, below, I’m going to interject my own commentary into what the included public figures say, because I think most of them are seriously full of it; the idea that somehow someone is considered to be, essentially, other than rational for daring to question the President is, itself, asinine:
“I have looked at the documentation that is publicly available and it leaves many things to be desired,” Deal said in an interview Friday.
Deal’s statement came a day after he noted in an online chat that he would join other U.S. House members in writing the president and asking that he release a copy of his birth certificate.
(Excerpt) Read more at therightsideoflife.com ...
Ping.
But I thought Obama had already released a copy of his birth certificate....
I hope Deal and anyone else who signs the request have very clean backgrounds and added security.
I suspect that even if every Republican Representative and Every Republican Sen. were to lock up his vote in escrow Obama would not come off the documents. But it might get some publicity to make the ploy.
“I suspect that even if every Republican Representative and Every Republican Sen. were to lock up his vote in escrow Obama would not come off the documents. But it might get some publicity to make the ploy”
Great idea!
Yeah, just like John Kerry released his dd214....in some fantasy world that we're not privvy to....
Obama’s refusal to show his eligibility for office leaves him open to blackmail from domestic and foreign interests.
Wow! MY Rep said that? Woo-hoo!
“Obama’s refusal to show his eligibility for office leaves him open to blackmail from domestic and foreign interests.”
This is correct. While the American people are denied their redress on this issue in our courts and in Congress, the intelligence services in the capitols of our enemies are very well able to discover the truth about Obama’s origins, and use them against Obama and against the United States.
One of the problems for the "birther" side has been that there has been no justification put forward apart from the mandate of the Constitution. This leaves those demanding to see the documents opened to the charge that they are doing this out of political animus because, let's face it, whole sections of the country are indifferent to the Constitution. Once critics can claim that those demanding the documents are doing so out of political animus, it is only a half step to claiming racism and when that is done the argument is over. In fact, I assert that if Obama were white the outcry to produce the documents would be far louder and broader. The justification that the president is vulnerable to blackmail provides cover against that kind of demagoguery.
If nothing else, it proves that the whole issue is being talked about among congressmen for some reason.
I can’t imagine a single scenario where Obama would release his background information. I honestly think he’d rather see this country implode and/or attacked instead.
This illegitimate President got into office illegally to accomplish crimes for crooked people.
I’m one who believes Obama’s BC is irrelevant to the issue, give that Obama admits that both he and his father were governed by British law.
In the court of public opinion it means everything.
Not being a lawyer, I’m not sure if the possibility of blackmail is enough to compel a person to release private, personal information.
The argument has the potential to sway those who require justification to fully support us “birthers”.
While the Congress nor any court in the USA is willing to confront the state of Hawaii as to right of the American people to have full disclosure, I believe that any amateur foreign spy could get that information from the state of Hawaii (or discover there is no information) if they consider it useful to undermining the the United States.
To anyone trained in espionage, it would be a piece of cake to find out what is in a sealed vital statistics record in any state in our country.
Further, if Obama was born in, say, Kenya, who is foolish enough to think that any foreign government wanting the records from Kenya couldn’t get them in 72 hours or less.
I believe that London, Paris, Rome, Moscow, Tokyo, Beijing, and every other major government on this earth already knows EXACTLY where Obama was born, and could find the blood stains left from his mother’s womb. (I believe it is in Nairobi).
At such a time that it is useful to one of our enemies, information will fly. Obama is probably already being blackmailed -— that’s just my guess, of course.
No doubt every major gov’t / intelligence service out there has a copy and a lot more documentation.
Potential vulnerability to blackmail is one of the principal variables investigated when vetting anyone for a security clearance. Application for a clearance requires divulging of all sorts of intimate personal information.
No one with the vulnerabilities that Øbama has would have any chance of receiving even a low-level clearance.
Yet, he sits at the very apex of top secret national security information with zero clearance at all!!!.
How is this possible?
America needs a law or a Constitutional amendment) requiring that no one can be a candidate (on the ballot) for the Presidency or Congress without first having passed the background investigation for (at least) Final Top Secret clearance.
(FWIW, that would also identify and eliminate non-qualified non-natural-born candidates for President.)
I have looked at the documentation ...
I have examined the documentation ...
I know what a “Certificate of Live Birth” looks like ...
Mr. Barack Hussein Obama you have NEVER released your “Certificate of Live Birth!”
Mr. Obama, RELEASE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!
You wrote: “...there has been no justification put forward apart from the mandate of the Constitution.”
What other justification is required? The blackmail issue? I don’t believe that 0bama could be blackmailed with his BC data. He’s too agile a liar, and able to (at the drop of a hat) Deny! Deny! Deny!
I’ll rest my faith in the Constitution. That’s where this should stand or fall.
My hope is that several large states enable verification legislation prior to the next election so that ALL candidates (and incumbents) are required to submit proof of eligibility for the office to which they aspire. With a bit of luck and lot of praying, we may just have a country still to save.
If nothing else, it proves that the whole issue is being talked about among congressmen for some reason.
Yes. My thinking is that these congressmen see the weakness of Pres. Obama and see an entre for opposing Health Care reform and other Socialist bills in the pipeline.
If the birth certificate issue can be exploited then why not try that route. There are several other routes they could try but go with THE ONE issue that is the foundation; is my President really native born and legally eligible.
Really? How's that working out for you? I presume you have had a lot of success lately mobilizing public opinion? Obviously you are fixed in your determination to just keep on doing what you have been doing, all the while hoping for a different result. Under no circumstances should you reach out for a new idea when the old one is working so well.
Incidentally, if you took a moment to think about it, the argument about blackmail is not whether it would have an effect on Obama but whether it would have effect on persuading the public in general that they a commander in chief and chief executive officer who is vulnerable to blackmail. It puts Obama in the position of having to come forward and defend an indefensible position. He arguably risks the security of the nation by withholding the documents while he puts forward no reasonable justification.
It provides a justification for the demand for the documents which makes it more difficult for Obama to play the race card to avoid the issue which he has done with 100% success so far.
Do I think is a silver bullet? No, of course not. It's just one more argument that might get a few more percent of the public thinking our way. It does not require anyone to abandon any constitutional principle except Obama. If you like, if it makes you feel more comfortable, you could argue that the natural born citizenship requirement is in the Constitution precisely, if only partly, to ensure that the president is not vulnerable to blackmail or foreign influence.
Tyrant 0bama gets weaker every day. He was brain addled the other day when he spent one minute sucking up to our Indians then he gave an ghetto “shout out” to some Indian before honoring our servicemen murdered by 0bama’s fellow Muslim. 0bama’s teleprompter had a bad day or 0bama is awful when he wings it
The weaker 0bama gets the better we can pressure him to release his birth certificate. Plus any blow back from a 100% OK birth certificate becomes less as the charlatan gets weaker
PING!
See? more like drive.
Why is it that everything 0bama has done has:
A. weakened America
B. strengthened islam
C. attacked Israel
or any combination of the above?
Or maybe I’m delusional? Can anyone cite something he’s done that doesn’t fit A, B, or C?
(SJackson has dibs on: “He bought a Portuguese water dog.”)
Two things;
In the comments section they say Hawaii only issues “Certifications”.
I could swear someone had a “Certificate” of Live Birth issued after 2001
As horrible a Roe v Wade is, why can’t we use that strategy to “codify” eligibility?
Nully, he has and is doing ALL of the items you mentioned. However, the most dangerous of all is attacking Isreal and not supporting her. THAT in itself will cause GOD Himself to bring a CURSE on the United States. In what form, we will see but most likely in a devestating attack, Civil uprsising and total bankruptcy. He’s a real fraudulent Gem alright!! /Major sarc. CO
December 3, 2008
Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate hearing from
you and welcome this opportunity to respond.
As you may know, Hawaii became a state on August 21st,
1959. President-elect Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961,
making him a United States citizen at birth under the first section
of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. President-elect
Obama’s birth certificate has been made public, and is widely
available online. This document has been authenticated by a
variety of sources, including the Hawaii Department of Health and
the Annenberg Public Policy Center.
I hope this information proves useful to you. If I can be of
assistance to you in any other matters, please do not hesitate to
contact me.
Sincerely,
Herb Kohl
U.S. Senator
He tightened up his golf handicap and ate ice cream.
U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal and "several colleagues" to ask Obama to release birth certificate
Game on!
TANKS,Nully,,,
Mite need mo’popcorn...;0)
As if that is not justification enough.
If the 'sureme law of the land' is not sufficient, let the masses feel the sting of Obama's policies--as they shortly will--and the thought of nullifying all the usurper has signed will be as attractive as a cool clear jug of water to a man dying of thirst.
“sureme”=”supreme”
Of course it's not enough. If it were enough you would already have the documents on the Internet for everyone to see. I can only repeat the reply I made to PubliusMM who also projects onto me a supposed cavalier disregard for the Constitution. Nothing I said in any way justifies that presumption.
Here is the reply:
"What other justification is required?"
Really? How's that working out for you? I suppose you have had a lot of success lately mobilizing public opinion? Obviously you are fixed in your determination to just keep on doing what you have been doing, all the while hoping for a different result. Under no circumstances should you reach out for a new idea when the old one is working so well.
Incidentally, if you took a moment to think about it, the argument about blackmail is not whether it would have an effect on Obama but whether it would have effect on persuading the public in general that they a commander in chief and chief executive officer who is vulnerable to blackmail. It puts Obama in the position of having to come forward and defend an indefensible position. He arguably risks the security of the nation by withholding the documents while he puts forward no reasonable justification.
It provides a justification for the demand for the documents which makes it more difficult for Obama to play the race card to avoid the issue which he has done (indirectly) with 100% success so far.
Do I think is a silver bullet? No, of course not. It's just one more argument that might get a few more percent of the public thinking our way. It does not require anyone to abandon any constitutional principle except Obama. If you like, if it makes you feel more comfortable, you could argue that the natural born citizenship requirement is in the Constitution precisely, if only partly, to ensure that the president is not vulnerable to blackmail or foreign influence.
It is inconceivable to me that you would want your fellow citizens to suffer simply because they do not see things your way:
If the 'sureme law of the land' is not sufficient, let the masses feel the sting of Obama's policies...
Let them eat cake?
You might be able to get away with arrogance toward the unwashed "masses" but you will not get away with projecting your self-righteousness toward me.
Apparently you misinterpreted my intent. I AM one of the 'unwashed masses'.
If the Consrtitution is not reason enough, then we have no Republic.
When we feel the pain, then perhaps snactimonious keyboard commandos and couch potatoes will get off their supersized butts and pay attention, who knows maybe even do something? Until then, sir, bread and circusses will more than suffice for those who can so conveniently ignore the seminal document from which all lawful and just governmental power is derived. Without that document, that Constitution, there is neither lawful nor just governmental power at the federal level, and the republic is void.
If that is not enough cause, what is?
let’s face it, whole sections of the country are indifferent to the Constitution.
***I have found that there are whole sections of FREE REPUBLIC which are indifferent to the constitution. And FR was originally a constitutionalist website.
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