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Lessons from Fort Hood shooting
Cleveland Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 6 November, 2009 | Daniel White

Posted on 11/07/2009 5:08:49 AM PST by marktwain

Edited on 11/08/2009 7:50:18 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

As many people know by now, or are waking up to this morning, yesterday 39-year-old Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, went on a shooting spree at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas killing 13 and injuring at least 30. While Hasan is in critical condition and unconscious, some are speculating that the motive for the shooting was concern over his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.


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American soldiers are volunteer professionals. It is stupid to keep them disarmed in this war without fronts.
1 posted on 11/07/2009 5:08:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Daniel White touches on the single most important element of personal safety: your own state of mind. There are always plenty of tools available to help you fight off an attacker—furniture, utensils, anything heavy that can be thrown, your own hands and feet. The odds against an armed attacker may be dauntingm but the alternative is to die doing nothing.

Don’t walk around in condition white. As Marines like to say, “Be pleasant to everyone, but have a plan for killing them.”

TC


2 posted on 11/07/2009 5:25:33 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: marktwain

In the Reagan Army in the 80s, I’d go years without even smelling an M-16. Army brass, for good reason, don’t often trust their troopies with live ammo. They were probably filling in range qualification scores for me & shuffling the training budget numbers around. Didn’t matter much, anyway, ‘cause the 16s were really .22 rimfire - special magazines, bolt adapters, and scaled targets on a 25 meter range.


3 posted on 11/07/2009 5:32:15 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: marktwain

It’s also stupid to allow Muslims in the military without frequent and extensive monitoring. Polygraphs every 6 months. It’s been 8 years since 9/11. We should have a glut of fluent middle east language experts by now.

A Muslim military psychiatrist? That’s just stupid PC-ness.


4 posted on 11/07/2009 5:43:15 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: flowerplough
In the Reagan Army in the 80s, I’d go years without even smelling an M-16. Army brass, for good reason, don’t often trust their troopies with live ammo. They were probably filling in range qualification scores for me & shuffling the training budget numbers around. Didn’t matter much, anyway, ‘cause the 16s were really .22 rimfire - special magazines, bolt adapters, and scaled targets on a 25 meter range.

Hmmm... I was there in the 80's and actually remember an IMPROVEMENT in training under Reagan, after the disaster during the Carter years.

I never, ever even SAW a "16" that was "really .22 rimfire", and I was a Drill Sergeant during the 80's. We burned through a LOT of ammo during BRM training. Seems to me that if anyone used .22 rimfire, it would have been available to us for extra training.

Did your experience have something to do with your MOS?

5 posted on 11/07/2009 5:44:23 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: PalmettoMason

We used .22 adapters in M-16s in Germany in the 80s at an indoor range. It was a good economical training device, but it was only used to augment actual range time not as a substitute. We also used to use frangible ammunition in our coax machine guns occasionally to utilize local pistol ranges for tank gunnery training. That was to maintain some profiency between trips to Graf.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 5:55:06 AM PST by csmusaret (Fox is more of a news network than Obama is an American President.)
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To: PalmettoMason

“experience have something to do with your MOS?” Must’ve. TRADOC - Instructor in a commo school at Fort Gordon, usually on second shift (RHIP).


7 posted on 11/07/2009 5:57:18 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: marktwain

The big lesson has been learned but will never be put into action:

mass deportations.


8 posted on 11/07/2009 5:58:56 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: marktwain
In comparison, many states are passing Stand Your Ground legislation to remove the burden to try to retreat when faced with a criminal attack. Allowing people to fight back from the start greatly increases their chance for survival.

The State is going to ALLOW us to fight back, how magnanimous... PC gun control advocates have led us to a place where AMERICAN SOLDIERS are DISARMED and HELPLESS. If the citizenry has the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, certainly soldiers should be allowed to carry sidearms for just such an occasion.

Could one open fire on his fellow? Yes, but not for very long...

9 posted on 11/07/2009 6:00:21 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: ez
New Jersey has one of the most restrictive rules regarding home break ins.

If someone has broken into your home you must first attempt to escape.If you have a firearm for protection you must tell them before you fire that you have a weapon and are going to use it.

10 posted on 11/07/2009 6:06:33 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: marktwain

Muslim radicals call Hasan ‘Officer and a Gentleman’
13 deaths were ‘pre-emptive attack;’ ‘We do NOT denounce his actions’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115325

Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Military jihadists fill ‘every branch’
Ultimate 5th column penetration, warns best-selling ‘Muslim Mafia’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218


11 posted on 11/07/2009 6:08:14 AM PST by blueplum
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To: mware

Guess a home protector now has to make sure they’re dead so there are no witnesses for the State. Too bad for them...


12 posted on 11/07/2009 6:15:22 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: flowerplough
Must’ve. TRADOC - Instructor in a commo school at Fort Gordon, usually on second shift (RHIP).

Cool. Thanks for your service.

13 posted on 11/07/2009 6:20:36 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: mware
If you have a firearm for protection you must tell them before you fire that you have a weapon and are going to use it.

LOL

BANG BANG BANG..."Stop, I have a gun and I will use it!...BANG BANG BANG BANG click.

LOL

14 posted on 11/07/2009 6:25:15 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
your own state of mind

I often say that the weapons are all in my head. The rest is just hardware.

15 posted on 11/07/2009 6:26:12 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: ez

In Israel all military persons, both men and women carry their weapons at ALL times. It was very common to see them mixed with people at malls, restaurants, anywhere in public with a weapon slung over their shoulder. It was comforting to know if anyone tried anything crazy, there would be someone within eyesight to take them down!


16 posted on 11/07/2009 6:33:34 AM PST by Desparado
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To: marktwain

The most valuable lesson is not “if”, but “when”.


17 posted on 11/07/2009 6:41:28 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: PalmettoMason
BANG BANG BANG..."Stop, I have a gun and I will use it!...BANG BANG BANG BANG click.

You need to upgrade from that ol' wheel gun friend.

18 posted on 11/07/2009 7:14:18 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: marktwain
Army regulations require that under normal operational procedure at Army bases on home soil soldiers are prohibited from carrying weapons unless under specific orders to do so (such as military police).

What is the reason for this and when did this start?
19 posted on 11/07/2009 7:19:41 AM PST by weef
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To: PalmettoMason

...agreed...served in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and on into 2000...I can tell you the best years were under Reagan, no doubt...more money, better training, more stability...things began to go downhill around 92’...


20 posted on 11/07/2009 7:30:10 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- that goes for you too, Major)
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To: 11Bush; PalmettoMason
You need to upgrade from that ol' wheel gun friend.

I counted 7 shots.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a 1911.

;-)

21 posted on 11/07/2009 7:37:13 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SIDENET
Sorry. Worked the midnight shift, got home, had some coffee and screwed up.

By the way, real men carry 1911s. Got three to choose from every time I leave the house.

22 posted on 11/07/2009 7:53:08 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: marktwain
"stupid"

Especially considering what just happened. Since 9/11 there's been talk at all levels about terrorist attacks on America. Didn't the big cheeses think that military installations could also be the targets of terrorist attacks. What if it had been more than just one armed lunatic? What if it had been a five, ten or more armed with automatic weapons? They could have taken out a lot more than what Hasan did with just two handguns. What kind of military base defense system do the Israelis have? The military better rethink their rules about arming soldiers while on the base.

23 posted on 11/07/2009 8:15:25 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Desparado
"Israel"

Thank you for that bit of info. I had read somewhere where Israeli soldiers carry their weapons at all times, but I couldn't place it.

24 posted on 11/07/2009 8:18:09 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: 11Bush
I have to get a 1911, and have been leaning toward a basic Rock Island model.

I have a bunch of firearms, but somehow managed to never get a 1911, even though I really like them.

My latest toy is a Romanian AK-47 "Draco" pistol. I've been on an AK-47 kick lately.

25 posted on 11/07/2009 9:18:28 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: ecomcon

While all these posts are intelligent, this’n’s the first ‘worthwhile’ suggestion! No muslim in the army should be armed (or have access to arms), until a) Obama’s gone or b) the WOT is over. Wolf/Little Red Riding Hood common sense, nothing personal!


26 posted on 11/07/2009 9:55:48 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: mware

—If you have a firearm for protection you must tell them before you fire that you have a weapon and are going to use it.—

How does “Stop or I’ll shoot” work for you.


27 posted on 11/07/2009 9:58:50 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: driftless2

the biggest problem here is the ‘loose lips’ syndrome...was this jihad Major just a ‘test firing’? Methinks, the brass gonna have to up the ante now that the press has loosed its pink lips.


28 posted on 11/07/2009 10:04:41 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: mware

So therefore there are no burglary-in-progress perp survivors.


29 posted on 11/07/2009 1:44:33 PM PST by eaglesiniowa ((Hope is not a course of action))
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To: weef
“What is the reason for this and when did this start?”

I believe it started during or right after WWII, but I do not know the exact history. In context, it has all been part of the left’s desire to make the carrying of weapons verboten outside of very limited contexts. Many countries in the world do not even allow the police to take weapons home with them.

Perhaps someone else can say just when it started. Maybe it was right after the Civil war. I think, for a long time, no one questioned the right of officers to be armed anytime and nearly anywhere, but after WWII, that was gone. A great many in the elite in this country love the British model and wish for us to emulate them.

30 posted on 11/07/2009 7:31:11 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 11Bush
You need to upgrade from that ol' wheel gun friend.

Kimber Ultra Covert II .45 ACP.

31 posted on 11/07/2009 9:09:35 PM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: marktwain
With all due respect, this column has not been excerpted as per due diligent fair use copyright.

Unless the author or his/her agent has specifically negotiated reprint rights to specific entities, it is disrespectful to deny them the fruits of their creative labor.

We, the Freepers, must police ourselves or be policed by others.

Best regards,

32 posted on 11/08/2009 7:44:05 PM PST by Copernicus (California Grandmother view on Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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