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So What Do We Do Now?
Vanity | November 8, 2009 | Wpin

Posted on 11/08/2009 6:26:47 AM PST by Wpin

This morning I awoke to the news that the democrats have succeeded in passing their "health" bill. One lone Republican voted for it, thirty-eight democrats voted against it. In spite of the people's wishes this government has moved us another step into socialistic fascism. Just as Hitler did in his tenure as leader of Germany.

So, I am wondering today...what do we do now? It is obvious that protesting as we have with our Tea Parties have had no affect. Tyrants always have reason for tyranny and they will not be stopped by the American people protesting politely, even when there are hundreds of thousands of us at one place.

As most of us here I am very disheartened, indeed saddened deeply by what I view as what may be another nail in the coffin of freedom and decency. Are these the end times? Are we to suffer terribly for our nation ignoring God? I have so many questions which I do not have the answer to. All I know from my life is to do the right thing, to stand up for liberty and decency. To strive to prevail over what I view as this evil. But, how to do that? Do we continue to do our Tea Parties? Do we work on seperating from this nation and building our own? Would the democrats even allow that? Maybe someone can offer some clarity, some sound thinking on what the hell we do now. I would appreciate it greatly.


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1 posted on 11/08/2009 6:26:47 AM PST by Wpin
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To: Wpin

let the secession begin....


2 posted on 11/08/2009 6:30:42 AM PST by qrstuv
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To: Wpin

I’ve been wondering the same thing. Yes, it’s probably punishment from God. When God wants to punish us, He gives us what we ask for.


3 posted on 11/08/2009 6:31:15 AM PST by BipolarBob (Thailand?)
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To: Wpin
There is a very long shot that this might be stopped in the senate, but only that.

The next goal must be to gain a majority big enough in the House and Senate in 2010 that if this can't be repealed (and Zero would veto a repeal) that it be so massively undercut that it won't have any effect. But again, that would involve the Messiah.

Elections have consequences.

4 posted on 11/08/2009 6:32:41 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: qrstuv

You realize, the democrats will not allow that. They cannot afford to have the productive part of the US leave there nation. I am certain they understand that the conservative side of the population is the productive side that makes the US economy successful. And, tyrants do not let go of power peacefully, so I am fairly certain that to secede would mean war. Not a pretty thought.


5 posted on 11/08/2009 6:33:49 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Wpin

We need to keep going. There’s no other alternative. We also need to get on the phones or fax or e-mail senators against socialized medicine.

It is possible that times are going to become very hard before they get better, but at least do what you can to stop it. Don’t just roll over.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 6:33:59 AM PST by beejaa
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To: Wpin

I will be re-filling my W4 on Monday. There is little I can do other then de-fund my tiny portion of taxes.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 6:33:59 AM PST by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: BipolarBob
I think we must all stop paying taxes. They depend on the fact that we will support their schemes. There are still fifty percent of the population that they depend on to sponsor these sh**t programs.

There are two ways to stop paying taxes: quit your job and go on public benefits; tell your employer you have 9 dependents.

8 posted on 11/08/2009 6:35:29 AM PST by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Wpin

We have to organize to challenge it’s Constitutionality.
we need to take to the streets in numbers to hard to ignore and speak out against it


9 posted on 11/08/2009 6:36:17 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: Wpin

One of the things we do is obtain and maintain a list of those who voted for this outrage and target our energies toward kicking them, and their political careers, to the curb. They have to go. They have betrayed the trust of the American people and their oath to uphold the Constitution, regardless of the content of the final bill. Buh-bye.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 6:37:37 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: Wpin

Do we work on seperating from this nation and building our own?

Are you talking about some available vacant land that I don't know about?

11 posted on 11/08/2009 6:38:04 AM PST by kempster
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To: beejaa
We also need to get on the phones or fax or e-mail senators against socialized medicine.

I think we're well beyond phone calls, e-mails and faxes now. Congresscritters are clearly ignoring the electorate.

Every Senator has a local office in their home state. It's time to park as many protesters as we can muster in front of every Senator's office. Loud and proud. This tactic worked wonders when our TN State Legislature tried to adopt an unconstitutional state income tax. I see no reason why the same tactic wouldn't work here.

12 posted on 11/08/2009 6:38:40 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Wpin

I’m going to mass.


13 posted on 11/08/2009 6:38:50 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Wpin

We need to hang on tenatiously. We need to keep up the activism. Pelosi knows that her opponents must be de-moralized right now and thinks a lot of people will give up.

NEVER WEAKEN!


14 posted on 11/08/2009 6:40:54 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Wpin
So, I am wondering today...what do we do now?

Relax and don't let it bother us that's what.

Don't take it so seriously.

I, for instance, am going to relax and buy some ammo and go to the range today and practice since it's such a nice day. : )

15 posted on 11/08/2009 6:40:55 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Billg64

Torches and Pitchforks!

just kiddn’
[look better in CAPS?]

TORCHES and PITCHFORKS!

Oh Well,,,


16 posted on 11/08/2009 6:41:14 AM PST by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: La Lydia

That list needs to spell out the dems who are in districts that would have normally been Republican. Gary Peters in Michigan is one that comes to mind to me. He took Joe Knollenberg’s seat. I think, based on the number of tea party patriots that showed up at his local offices this summer, he would be vulnerable.


17 posted on 11/08/2009 6:43:27 AM PST by kempster
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To: Wpin

I too am truly disheartened this morning. I looked at Drudge this morning and saw that smiling jackal Pelosi.

For decency’s sake, I cannot post on FR the level of hatred I have for those people. God forgive me.

I asked, prior to this vote, what we would do if this thing passed. The democrats have no fear of the American voter. They have nothing but contempt for the Constitution.

Is this how the Founders felt living under the tyranny of King George?

I side with Jefferson when he said, “A little revolution now and then is a good thing.”

Just my thoughts on this dark Sunday.


18 posted on 11/08/2009 6:43:30 AM PST by defendingright
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To: Wpin

For the ignorant who voted for zero and put him where he can do a lot of damage to this country, they will begin to wonder when/if the final bill passes, why they aren’t getting all the goodies promised to them. They’re too stupid to know it doesn’t have any affect until 2013. Even too stupid to realize why that year was chosen. Don’t believe for a minute it’s to “gather” the revenue before it is put into effect.

On the other hand, those same people will be crowing immediately that this isn’t at all as bad as protesters were saying - again not realizing it won’t be implemented right away.

Maybe it pays to be stupid.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 6:44:01 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Wpin

Keep fighting on the soap box.

Keep fighting at the ballot box.

Keep filling the ammo box.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 6:44:47 AM PST by 2111USMC
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To: Colvin

“There is little I can do other then de-fund my tiny portion of taxes.”

We will all have to “live simply so that others may simply live”, the mantra of the loony left.

Only problem is, by “living simply” we don’t produce much. Funny thing about that. No producy no revenuee.


21 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:02 AM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Billg64

there is a third way.......operation thrift....put off the big ticket purchases, buy at garage sales, use the barter program when possible, and reduce or eliminate all unneccessary overtime...cut your income as much as possible without causing your family undue pain...starve the beast


22 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:11 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: defendingright

“”I looked at Drudge this morning and saw that smiling jackal Pelosi.””

That’s when my TV went dark - the minute she showed up in red with that idiotic smile on her face. I guess that’s permanent tho’ with her plastic face.

I don’t understand why these women dress in red at big occasions in Congress. I seem to remember that it was Nancy Reagan who wore red at the State of the Union addresses and since then even the dem women wear red.

Does anyone remember them wearing red before Nancy Reagan?


23 posted on 11/08/2009 6:47:10 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Wpin
Tea Parties are not working.

Maybe, as a start, it's time to be thinking of forming our own nationwide well-regulated non-military militias. Just a thought......hmmmm.......

Leni

24 posted on 11/08/2009 6:47:13 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: Wpin

Buckle up, we are headed to control by the Federal Government.


25 posted on 11/08/2009 6:47:28 AM PST by bmwcyle (When do they collect and jail the homeless when they don't buy their health care?)
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To: Colvin

I’m self-employed.

I think we should sacrifice by giving up any unnecesary spending but we need a way to account for it so that they know.

I guess we could call it spending “Rollback”.


26 posted on 11/08/2009 6:47:59 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: bravotu

You forgot TAR and Feathers.

We need to stand in the Halls of Congress, politely, and Packed in 10 across the halls....so thick they can’t ignore us.
We need to send the unemployed to Congress, organize soup lines to feed them, and they can go inside pulblic buildings to stay Warm in the Winter.

We also need to find some local offices of Congress, and surround their home office and have a tail gate party.

Typing letters and faxes, and phone calls no longer works for the Congressmen that VOTED at midnite. They need personal attention, and the Senators need some examples.


27 posted on 11/08/2009 6:48:13 AM PST by 4Speed
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To: beejaa

You think the Democrats care about the negative feedback?
They own the liberal propaganda machine. They have tons of money and power. This will only feather their nests. We are living in a different screwed up country now. A bunch of talking monkees on t.v. will keep everyone confused. The people who do not work will win now.


28 posted on 11/08/2009 6:48:44 AM PST by FreedBird (G)
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To: LS
There is language in the bill making it very hard to repeal. Not sure how that works but I have been told that last additions made it repeal proof.
29 posted on 11/08/2009 6:49:15 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: tiki

Its called going GALT.


30 posted on 11/08/2009 6:49:21 AM PST by 4Speed
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To: Wpin

Our nation is on the brink of destruction.

Today, and until we are rid of the Obama regime, I will fly my flag upside.


31 posted on 11/08/2009 6:49:51 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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To: defendingright

.....We must respond politically. The tea parties are nice theater, but we must look for 2010 candidates to support. What can we do? Look at New Jersey and Virginia. That’s it. We must pass up on that pizza and send $20 to a candidate somewhere who will be in a tight race. We must take on that extra consulting job over the weekend and send $1,000 to someone running againstr a current congressperson in 2010. Donations get reported, and congressmen get scared when they know money is flowing against them. Everything else is just theater. We stage a protest and then whine and wail that the left wing media doesn’t report it. As if we thought they would. Money is the answer. And free enterprise people will always have the money. We have to start using it. And don’t think a $20 contribution doesn’t count, it does.


32 posted on 11/08/2009 6:51:36 AM PST by Vinomori
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To: Wpin

We must organize ourselves off of the internet for two reasons. One, for privacy. Two, because silencing dissent is in the cards.


33 posted on 11/08/2009 6:52:12 AM PST by Wage Slave (Good fences make good neighbors. -- Robert Frost)
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To: Wpin

Many years ago a friend of mine who was very strong and did not take crap from fools told me that there are 3 types of people in the world:

1. Those who know what is right and do it.

2. Those who have to be told.

3. Those who have to be hit.

I fear that we are at the 3rd option with these nation destroyers in Washington. I just don’t know what the catalyst will be to finally get us off our butts and do something about it. I have a feeling that the left will provide that catalyst fairly soon.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 6:53:14 AM PST by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: Wpin

Fight it with everything you’ve got. This is a Communist take over of Aemrica. Since they completely ignored the Constitution and millions of Americans protesting they feel they have the ability to pass ANY law. This bill, alone, is enough for action as it is a declaration of war against us by our government. This isn’t “health care reform”, this is government take over of an entire aspect of life and unconstitutional regulations within it that jail you, fine you, and tax you out of house and home, prevent commerce as they see fit, regulates anything they want for any reason they want, all in the name of health care. This isn’t the last bill they will pass but just the first of many.

Arm up! They Have!


35 posted on 11/08/2009 6:54:02 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Wpin
this government has moved us another step into socialistic fascism

Bullyism

36 posted on 11/08/2009 6:54:10 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Thermalseeker

Every Senator has a local office in their home state. It’s time to park as many protesters as we can muster in front of every Senator’s office. Loud and proud. This tactic worked wonders when our TN State Legislature tried to adopt an unconstitutional state income tax. I see no reason why the same tactic wouldn’t work here.”

I believe that we would have much greater impact and garner more wide-spread media attention if those “tea parties” were held on the sidewalks infront of every Senator’s HOME! It’s time to get personal and due to the location, we will not be ignored. Bonus will be that many who otherwise aren’t aware, will, state-wide, state to state, become informed!


37 posted on 11/08/2009 6:54:34 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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To: 4Speed

“Its called going GALT.”

They couldn’t care less. Until their very lives are affected, they couldn’t care less. You going Galt does nothing but empower them as the people crying for government handouts would only grow.


38 posted on 11/08/2009 6:56:10 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: qrstuv

We need a block of states to refuse to dance to the government’s tune. A unified stand against tyranny.


39 posted on 11/08/2009 6:56:26 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Wpin
“It is obvious that protesting as we have with our Tea Parties have had no affect.”

You are correct. With this crowd in congress they could care less.

2010 elections would be the only way to stop this drift, but most of the damage will have already been done.

Even if a conservative were to be elected in 2012 and have a conservative congress, the Health Care, Cap & Tax, and other major legislation will not and can not be reversed.

There is nothing we can do, other than vote and be active ... unless the states begin a legislative revolt against the feds.

Begin with state laws requiring employers to pay any tax with-holdings to the state and not directly to the IRS. That way the states would payout a lump sum to the Feds and then can withhold the payments if necessary.

Same for any federal fuel taxes paid by retailers, wholesalers, and distributors. So to for any other indirect Federal taxes/fees that the states are required to collect for the feds.

The feds need to be the bottom rung on the revenue ladder.

40 posted on 11/08/2009 6:57:16 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: Kimberly GG

““tea parties” were held on the sidewalks infront of every Senator’s HOME!”

Good luck with that. Senators live behind gated communities and have large police forces at their call. They are immune to your pleas.


41 posted on 11/08/2009 6:57:29 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Wpin

I think we should come out with ads locally for every representative who voted for this. Need to briefly summarize the bad stuff, taxes, buracracies, etc. and say Patrick Murphy for instance voted for this, and the stimulus, and cap & tax. The voters don’t have time to research 1,000 page bills, lets help them.


42 posted on 11/08/2009 6:59:00 AM PST by Kenny
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To: Billg64
I think we must all stop paying taxes. They depend on the fact that we will support their schemes

They are no longer dependent on taxes. They print and borrow all the money they want.

The only purpose of taxes, now, is to punish the class enemy.

43 posted on 11/08/2009 6:59:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (We Are Traveling in the Footsteps of Those Who've Come Before)
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To: Wpin

It’s not the law yet. We have lost a battle not the war! Keep fighting.


44 posted on 11/08/2009 7:01:17 AM PST by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Wpin

I heard the bad news last night. By the time I awoke I did not remember but I wondered why I felt like I could not breathe. When I opened up FR it all came back to me. Just damn! I wish I could say what I would like to do..... but I can’t!


45 posted on 11/08/2009 7:03:55 AM PST by Ditter
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To: blueyon
nation destroyers in Washington

Exactly. Major legislation shouldn't be passed on the slimist of partisan margins. The President and Dems are willing to tear this country apart to grab more power. It may turn out, however, that this is a pyrrhic victory for them.

46 posted on 11/08/2009 7:04:40 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Jim Noble

Well put. Good post.


47 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:06 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Wpin
Two States Could Pass This One Law and It's OVER For the Usurper and Friends
48 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:12 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: FreedBird
. A bunch of talking monkees on t.v. will keep everyone confused.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I expect the Marxist media to be talking monkeys.

What seriously saddens me is that our conservative media seems to be self-censoring itself on certain issues. For instance, do we even have a constitutionally eligible and natural born president? Nary a word on the subject since Obama came on the scene.

49 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:58 AM PST by wintertime
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To: CodeToad

I don’t give up that easily. There are sidewalks outside of gated communities that are public and so I’m not the least bit concerned about police. I realize that they are immune to our pleas, it’s about the best way of getting media attention and making the public aware.


50 posted on 11/08/2009 7:08:10 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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