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Bibi heads to U.S. under threat of Palestinian statehood declaration (Obama madness)
Haaretz ^ | 11-08-09 | Haaretz

Posted on 11/08/2009 7:51:58 AM PST by montag813

Concerns are growing in Israel's government over the possibility of a unilateral Palestinian declaration of independence within the 1967 borders, a move which could potentially be recognized by the United Nations Security Council.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently asked the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama to veto any such proposal, after reports reached Jerusalem of support for such a declaration from major European Union countries, and apparently also certain U.S. officials.

The reports indicated that Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad has reached a secret understanding with the Obama administration over U.S. recognition of an independent Palestinian state. Such recognition would likely transform any Israeli presence across the Green Line, even in Jerusalem, into an illegal incursion to which the Palestinians would be entitled to engage in measures of self-defense.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; netanyahu; obama; palestinians
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Obama giving a shout-out to his true constituency. What a move, in the same week as a Palestinian-American murders 14 Americans on our own soil.
1 posted on 11/08/2009 7:52:02 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

That my friends will seal the deal. When America turns against Israel The s@#% will hit the fan. War will not be far behind and I’m not talking a lil skirmish like Iraq or Afganistan.


2 posted on 11/08/2009 7:55:44 AM PST by timetostand (Defund the left!! Defund the Federal Beast!)
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To: montag813

Aside from all the other garbage surrounding Obammie the Commie...

Has anyone mentioned how classless, un-Presidential, and un-statesman-like it is for the President of the United States to give a “shout out?” Is that the level of class and intelligence of this affirmative-action president? I answer my own question.

The office of the President has been reduced to a pop-star dressing room.

The MSM has become little more than the paparazzi.


3 posted on 11/08/2009 7:58:08 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'd rather be a teabagger than an ankle-grabber.)
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To: timetostand
I hope all the liberal Jews who voted for Dear Leader (PBUH) are happy....

Mrs. Prince of Space

4 posted on 11/08/2009 7:58:27 AM PST by Prince of Space (Don't use a big word when a diminutive one will do....)
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To: STARWISE; SE Mom; maggief

OBAMA OUTRAGE OF THE HOUR PING!

This is going to kick off the mother of all wars in the Middle East. It’s time to impeach Obama!


5 posted on 11/08/2009 7:59:13 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: montag813

Bibi will give Obama an ultimatum.

This is how Obama will start a war between Israel and its surrounding Muslim neighbors.

The gloves are now off.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 8:01:31 AM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“The office of the President has been reduced to a pop-star dressing room.

The MSM has become little more than the paparazzi”

Post of the Day! Yesterday on one of the channels, the header said: ‘Obama...Live on Capitol Hill’...lol. I thought the same exact thing...the press was behaving like it was a rock concert and not the nail in the coffin of our republic that it truly was.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 8:03:04 AM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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Israel is America’s staunchest ally in the Middle East, and democratic voters for Obama might soon learn that they’ve betrayed Israel.

To understand Obama, see and hear him at ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28


8 posted on 11/08/2009 8:03:16 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: montag813

Bibi must understand that he is dealing with a Muslim in the White House. Hussein will betray, sell-out and do everything in his power to destroy Israel. It is impossible for Israelis to make a “deal” with a thug like Hussein and ridiculous to depend upon his word.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 8:03:20 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Prince of Space
Unfortunately, the liberal Jews in this country don't give a hoot about Israel. If they did, you would have known about it decades ago.

They haven't cared, they don't care now, nor will they care in the future.

Leni

10 posted on 11/08/2009 8:04:11 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: montag813
Every day I'm tempted to think that it can't get any worse and then Commander Zippy proves me wrong. Rough seas ahead, mate.
11 posted on 11/08/2009 8:05:54 AM PST by JPG (Sarah Palln Rocks.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Somehow I think if there’s anyone who understands this, it may be Bibi.


12 posted on 11/08/2009 8:06:36 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: timetostand

When we turn our back on Israel, God will turn His back on America.!


13 posted on 11/08/2009 8:06:52 AM PST by pollywog ( It's Saturday ~~~ But SUNDAY'S A COMING'!!!!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
The office of the President has been reduced to a pop-star dressing room.

well put!~

14 posted on 11/08/2009 8:07:50 AM PST by pollywog ( It's Saturday ~~~ But SUNDAY'S A COMING'!!!!)
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To: montag813

“the Palestinians would be entitled to engage in measures of self-defense.”

Molon labe


15 posted on 11/08/2009 8:08:36 AM PST by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: montag813
Well here we go.

this will be beyond ugly...Time to pray, lock and load and then continue to pray.

16 posted on 11/08/2009 8:08:46 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: montag813

Obama soon to discover that he isn’t God after all.


17 posted on 11/08/2009 8:09:47 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Is your "representative" keeping his or her oath to "secure the Blessings of Liberty" to posterity?)
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To: JPG
Yes, this is not good, but I do believe Bam is bluffing.

If this declaration is made, and war starts in the Middle East, then we can expect $150 oil. Iran and Syria will see an opportunity and will work to aid the Palis in Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. Syria may also see a chance to recapture the Golan.

$150 oil is the end of all Bam’s domestic plans, ObamaCare, CapNTax, etc will be infinitely more difficult given that we will be in an even deeper recession. Plus this will in no way help Bam’s precarious and sliding popularity.

Bibi told Bam to pound sand, now Bam has raised the stakes. Bam is playing a very dangerous game.

schu

18 posted on 11/08/2009 8:14:56 AM PST by schu
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To: montag813; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


19 posted on 11/08/2009 8:26:57 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: pollywog
When we turn our back on Israel, God will turn His back on America.!

When America does it, then the world will have forsaken God's chosen people. I seem to recall a book about what happens when this is fulfilled.

20 posted on 11/08/2009 8:43:41 AM PST by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: montag813
No meeting between 0 and Bibi scheduled according to JPost, though it could still happen.

However, things are probably afoot. The whole US (State), EU, UN Mid East policy is falling to pieces. Abbas is retiring. In all likelihood it has to do with the fact that he would like to retire alive, and also the fact that Fatah runs the risk of being beaten by Hamas in upcoming elections. However, as always when arabs are fighting arabs they blame the Jew. And as always, when the US-EU-UN peace process is threatening to fall to pieces pressure is put on Israel.

Flush with success on the Health-Care bill, who knows what the little emperor will do?

PS: One thing is certain. 0 will not meet with Bibi at the UJC/The Jewish Federations of North America's annual General Assembly in D.C. 0 - and you will be surprised to hear this - has canceled his planned address to the UJC/The Jewish Federations of North America which was scheduled for Tuesday, and instead will be attending a memorial ceremony in Fort Hood, Texas, for victims of the shooting at the military base there.

Well, nobody can fault him for that. He didn't dare to send ol'Biden, and anyway Ram will speak at the meeting instead, so the Jewish activists will be able to speak, or at least listen to the power behind the throne, which is probably more useful.

21 posted on 11/08/2009 8:47:33 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: JPG
Rough seas ahead, mate.

Thank God my Anchor holds strong!!!

22 posted on 11/08/2009 8:48:43 AM PST by pollywog ( It's Saturday ~~~ But SUNDAY'S A COMING'!!!!)
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To: JPG

Rough Seas ahead for the United States.


23 posted on 11/08/2009 8:56:39 AM PST by richardtavor
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To: schu

Good post ... I agree with your future happening predictions.


24 posted on 11/08/2009 8:56:43 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

ZERO is a Muslim and would love to see Israel gone. Where is the Israeli outrage in the USA?


25 posted on 11/08/2009 9:11:25 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: penelopesire

Whoa...

Bibi must be about ready to give Obama an earful.


26 posted on 11/08/2009 9:14:45 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: sofaman; holdonnow; SJackson

Have you seen this?


27 posted on 11/08/2009 9:15:51 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Prince of Space

Jewish libs are kapos who ignored the Holocaust and will ignore this


28 posted on 11/08/2009 9:43:41 AM PST by hecht
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To: timetostand
When America turns against Israel The s@#% will hit the fan.

True of most Americans. Unfortunately, the Jews in our country seem more interested in voting Democrat than in Israel.

29 posted on 11/08/2009 9:56:39 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
POWER OVER PRINCIPLE...they have a big place in the DEM party and won’t give this up over Israel. I still wonder if it is Soros or Saudi Arabia as ZERO’s guiding light on this.
30 posted on 11/08/2009 10:35:56 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: Achilles Heel

Bet on Soros. That is another thing hard to grasp. It is always the Left, whether NAZI or USSR, who mistreat the Jews yet they seem to be drawn to them. Perhaps it is the seemingly inbred Jewish guilt complex that causes them to embrace the lies of the Left.

That doesn’t even address the Muslim vows to kill all Jews and Obama’s seeming affinity for the Muslims.


31 posted on 11/08/2009 10:41:00 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: montag813

Here are the problems as I see them, FWIW. Bibi can not meet with Obama over this and would be better served to meet with Senators and Representatives. Meeting with Obama would allow Obama to lay any demands upon Bibi and Israel or face the threat of Obama backing the forming of a Pali State. The Palis know that they risk nothing in this move and that it would place Israel between a rock and a hard place. Israel would be facing either a recognized Pali State in all of the West Bank plus probably Gaza with East Jerusalem and the entire Old City Jerusalem as their recognized capital or being forced to make draconian steps probably including removal of all settlements from the West Bank and possibly also Jerusalem. Either would place the Kotel (Western Wall) beyond the reach of Israelis once again and you can bet they would soon be denied access.
Facing such a choice, Israel might decide that facing potential of war would be preferable to losing the Kotel I doubt Obama and his capos advisors would even believe that Israel would actually fight over something so silly as access to the Kotel. They would be very wrong! Looks like I might be making Aliya a little earlier than I had planned. Time to double up on our prayers. Am Yisroel Chai!


32 posted on 11/08/2009 2:35:57 PM PST by bsaunders
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33 posted on 11/08/2009 2:59:20 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Obama soon to discover that he isn’t God after all.

I doubt it EV, I doubt it.

34 posted on 11/08/2009 4:52:32 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: montag813

unilateral Palestinian declaration of independence within the 1967 borders, a move which could potentially be recognized by the United Nations Security Council.


War would have to follow. 1967 borders can not be defended and the U.S. and the UN know it. Israel would have no choice but to declare all out war for it’s very survival.


35 posted on 11/08/2009 5:12:23 PM PST by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: montag813
I really don't see the problem.

Israel should simply state that any Palestinian declaration of statehood that encompasses territory that Israel views as it's own will constitute a declaration of war... and such war will be fully prosecuted.

State this loudly and often in diplomatic and news channels.

Then, there will be no surprise should they declare statehood... and Israel then has an excuse to deport all Palestinians within it's own territories that refuse to sign oaths of loyalty to Israel as enemy saboteurs.

36 posted on 11/08/2009 5:31:13 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Nuc1

Well, of one thing we can be assured: he will learn it sooner or later.


37 posted on 11/08/2009 5:31:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is your "representative" keeping his or her oath to "secure the Blessings of Liberty" to posterity?)
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To: Oldpuppymax

We have been looking for Osama Bin Laden for years. Has anybody ever put a picture of Obama next to Osama and removed by photo shop Osama’s Beard? You think we know Obama’s missing background?

Israel shoud be worried about Obama!


38 posted on 11/08/2009 6:41:50 PM PST by ncfool (Obama Bare fisted Politican at home. Pantywaist VS. Real thugs abroad.)
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To: schu
Bam is playing a very dangerous game

Thats because he is an insanely dangerous man, will make Hitler look like Gandhi before this is over.

39 posted on 11/08/2009 6:46:57 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: EternalVigilance

Nor is Israel.


40 posted on 11/08/2009 8:24:09 PM PST by Z in Washington
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To: Z in Washington

No, history has certainly shown that.

But, God will still have His way.


41 posted on 11/08/2009 8:35:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Is your "representative" keeping his or her oath to "secure the Blessings of Liberty" to posterity?)
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To: montag813

More and more I’m wondering if 0bama is the Anti-Christ.


42 posted on 11/08/2009 11:21:20 PM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: timetostand

Will the war be here ?


43 posted on 11/08/2009 11:22:01 PM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: bsaunders
Thanks for the insights.

Praying for the peace of Jerusalem.

44 posted on 11/08/2009 11:28:53 PM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: Candor7

“Bibi will give Obama an ultimatum.”


What ultimatum would that be? Aren’t we Israel’s only ally now? Seems everyone - and now us - are cutting Israel out of power in the Middle East. It’s upsetting. Especially with Iran’s nukes. I am very worried.


45 posted on 11/08/2009 11:28:59 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: montag813
How many troops does the UN have under it command? BamaKennedy surely would not consider sending in US troops to enforce such a declaration, would he?
46 posted on 11/08/2009 11:33:28 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: EternalVigilance

Which is what?

Paradoxically endorsing a nation which enthusiastically rejects Christ?


47 posted on 11/09/2009 12:06:11 AM PST by Z in Washington
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To: montag813

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2381824/posts

Have you seen this thread?


48 posted on 11/09/2009 12:12:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SaraJohnson

Bibi is no longer closely allied with the USA in policy. Obama made sure of that at the UN.

Israel is now in closer strategic allience with India than it is with the USA. The only way that the US military or the CIA can be of assistance to Israel is if they disobey
presidential directives and act on their own. India will take care of Israel until we get rid of the Obama Junta now attempting to rule our nation.

The Ultimatum: ( something like:) “If Palestine declares Indepedence and the USA recognizes it, we will reconquer Palestine, and deport every one of them to Iraq.”


49 posted on 11/09/2009 7:27:21 AM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, ) nd truth (.Member NRA)
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To: stylecouncilor

nuclear ping


50 posted on 11/09/2009 7:41:51 AM PST by onedoug
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