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Charles Darwin and the children of the evolution
Times Online (U.K.) ^ | November 8, 2009 | Dennis Sewell

Posted on 11/08/2009 12:10:22 PM PST by Schnucki

The teenage killers inspired by Charles Darwin's theories

The naturalist outraged the church, prompting a bitter debate that still sets creationists against evolutionists. Now a sinister link has emerged between his work and the recent spate of high-school killings by crazed, nihilistic teenagers

You wouldn’t know from the celebrations of Charles Darwin’s life this year that the amiable Victorian gent portrayed in those TV drama-docs pottering around the garden of his home in Kent has been fingered as a racist, an apologist for genocide, and the inspiration of a string of psychopathic killers.

The Darwin double anniversary (2009 marks both the bicentenary of his birth and 150 years since the first publication of On the Origin of Species) has featured much vanilla hoopla: the Royal Mail issued commemorative stamps; Damien Hirst designed the dust jacket for a special edition of Darwin’s masterpiece; Bristol Zoo offered free admission to men with beards, and the Natural History Museum served pea soup made to a recipe devised by Darwin’s wife, Emma. The conclusion of dozens of lectures, articles and education packs for schools has been that Darwin wasn’t just a brilliant scientist, but a thoroughly good egg.

With hardly a mention that his name has been associated with some of the most infamous crimes of modern history, it is as if there has been an unspoken agreement to accentuate the positive. Certainly, the milquetoast Darwin played by Paul Bettany in the recent film Creation provided little hint that there might be a dark side to the great man’s bequest to posterity. The film focuses on Darwin’s inner conflicts in the years leading up to the publication of On the Origin of Species. The scientist is reluctant to make his ideas public, not because he has foreseen dire social consequences, but chiefly because he

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1 posted on 11/08/2009 12:10:22 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
Why do so-called Christians continue to attack Charles Darwin the man and attribute horrors from the Holocaust to teenage suicides to him?
2 posted on 11/08/2009 12:13:15 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

It’s called ignorance.


3 posted on 11/08/2009 12:14:31 PM PST by cerberus
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To: Natural Law; cerberus
Trolls. :p

This was an article by a Brit reporter in the science section.

4 posted on 11/08/2009 12:23:07 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

This just in! Mathematics was used by the Nazis! Thus, Archimedes was a Nazi!


5 posted on 11/08/2009 12:24:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: cerberus; Natural Law

>>It’s called ignorance.<<

Not just ignorance. Willful ignorance.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 12:25:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Natural Law

You are just asking for a cat fight aren’t you.

It is true that the theories of Darwin are not, in the strict sense, reasons but rather excuses for these horrors; nonetheless they do provide a convenient philosophical foothold for proponents of these horrors. Science and philosophy are not easily divorced.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 12:25:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freedumb2003
This just in! Mathematics was used by the Nazis! Thus, Archimedes was a Nazi!

You know that is a good one and true, it sums up very well the posts about Darwin.

8 posted on 11/08/2009 12:27:21 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: cerberus

You are correct, although this ignorance stems from government education; this selective cognoscente filtering is deliberate in design.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 12:28:51 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: org.whodat

>>You know that is a good one and true, it sums up very well the posts about Darwin.<<

Most anti-TToE (and especially anti-Darwin) posters haven’t met a logical fallacy they haven’t loved.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 12:29:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: org.whodat

Be careful about what kind of corner you paint yourself into, bud.

The Nazis used mathematics to figure out how to get their bombs, ammunition, aircraft, etc. where they wanted them to be.

The Nazis did NOT use Darwinism in the same sense. Think about it.


11 posted on 11/08/2009 12:30:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freedumb2003
Most anti-TToE (and especially anti-Darwin) posters haven’t met a logical fallacy they haven’t loved.

Thanks for showing us your own ignorance.

12 posted on 11/08/2009 12:31:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freedumb2003; Natural Law; cerberus
I'll never understand the hyper-sensitivity of evolutionists. It's as though you folks don't really believe in it either. :)

If darwin was right, what have you got to worry about? Why the outrage and insults if you're guaranteed victory by evolution? Who can possibly harm you or your evolutionary progress? Is evolution somehow threatened by Christianity? :-D

13 posted on 11/08/2009 12:31:49 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>Thanks for showing us your own ignorance.<<

Ad hominem is usually the first to be deployed.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 12:32:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Indeed you came forth with it first.


15 posted on 11/08/2009 12:33:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>The Nazis did NOT use Darwinism in the same sense. Think about it.<<

Please reread my post for comprehension this time.


16 posted on 11/08/2009 12:33:39 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: org.whodat

“...Archimedes was a Nazi...”

Cute, however a non-sequitur.


17 posted on 11/08/2009 12:33:46 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: freedumb2003

Don’t complain about attacks on your own character if you attack the character of others. Deal in that coin, get paid in that coin.


18 posted on 11/08/2009 12:34:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: cerberus

Ignorance, but whose?

The article, if you’d troubled to read it, quotes at length from teenage suicide-murderers who, themselves, attributed their actions to Darwin’s ideas, and quotes an 1881 letter from Darwin to a friend that jolly well sounds like he approved of ‘eugenic’ genocide.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 12:34:22 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: freedumb2003

That is a lame way of saying you made a non sequitur argument.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 12:35:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Schnucki

>>Is evolution somehow threatened by Christianity? :-D<<

No, but Christianity is threatened by Luddism and purposeful misrepresentation of science.

It isn’t hypersensitivity to point out simple fallacies in statements made by others.

It is called “correcting the record” and it happens all the time on many subjects, here and all over the interwebz.


21 posted on 11/08/2009 12:35:47 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>That is a lame way of saying you made a non sequitur argument.<<

You misunderstand my post — try again.


22 posted on 11/08/2009 12:36:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

OK, now we see the glittering generality fallacy.


23 posted on 11/08/2009 12:36:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>>Don’t complain about attacks on your own character if you attack the character of others. Deal in that coin, get paid in that coin.<<

It lends no credence to your attempts at argument. Feel free to call names and say “nya nya.” It is expected.


24 posted on 11/08/2009 12:37:29 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

You made a non sequitur argument — a faulty analogy — and are now bobbing and weaving to pretend you didn’t.


25 posted on 11/08/2009 12:37:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: freedumb2003

Why should your bluster about the “fallacies” of those you disagree with be taken any more seriously?


26 posted on 11/08/2009 12:38:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No — that was part (only part) of my argument.

And it applies — your post states in no uncertain terms that you have no idea how. Talk about bobbing and weaving.


27 posted on 11/08/2009 12:38:57 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

You furnish an incomplete argument, you cannot complain that somebody took it “wrong.” To do so is trolling.


28 posted on 11/08/2009 12:39:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My post stands as I said it. It needs no explanation.

Either you understand it or you don’t.

Good day.


29 posted on 11/08/2009 12:40:16 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Incomplete drivel stands... OK. Have a good day.


30 posted on 11/08/2009 12:40:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Schnucki; freedumb2003; cerberus
"I'll never understand the hyper-sensitivity of evolutionists."

Actually I am a Christian who doesn't see any excuse for the vilification of Darwin, or Galileo, or Copernicus. Not accepting their science is one thing, but assigning evil motive for it is frankly un-Christian.

31 posted on 11/08/2009 12:42:24 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: freedumb2003

Did many of you read the bloody article?


32 posted on 11/08/2009 12:43:16 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: freedumb2003

Did any of you read the bloody article?


33 posted on 11/08/2009 12:43:27 PM PST by Eurotwit
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To: freedumb2003

In this thread, you’re not really pointing out or correcting anything. You’re just being mean and abusive.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 12:43:40 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Natural Law

Cheers!

35 posted on 11/08/2009 12:43:58 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: The_Reader_David
!!
36 posted on 11/08/2009 12:46:56 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Natural Law

How about the vilification of, say, Obama?

Not ready to go that far? Then how about opposition to making him an idol.

That is a fair statement to make about the (earthly) esteemed Mr. Darwin. As a Christian (if you are) why aren’t you in the least concerned about what happened to his faith in the process? He did not bother, in the end, even to give God the glory of a putative theistic evolution.


37 posted on 11/08/2009 12:49:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Natural Law
The article doesn't vilify darwin, it just presents facts about the teenager's infatuation with evolution and darwinism.

Is assigning evil motives to darwin the same kind of "un-Christian" thing that you have done by assigning evil motives to the poor soul who wrote this article?

38 posted on 11/08/2009 12:51:21 PM PST by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki
"The article doesn't vilify darwin,"

One doesn't have to spend much time in the religion forum or in any creationism vs Darwin thread to know exactly what I was referring to. Had I not brought it up in this context, it would have been brought up ad naseum by the YEC's.

39 posted on 11/08/2009 1:04:04 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

We neglected OECs never get any respect!


40 posted on 11/08/2009 1:16:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Reading is fundamental!!!

I did not write the statement, I said the man had a true point!!

41 posted on 11/08/2009 4:09:44 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: freedumb2003; Schnucki

>>>Archimedes was a Nazi!

I don’t know if he was a Nazi but he certainly was an opportunist. He always had an angle.


42 posted on 11/08/2009 10:43:08 PM PST by tlb
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To: tlb

>>I don’t know if he was a Nazi but he certainly was an opportunist. He always had an angle.<<

I have been LOL on that one since early this morning when I read it. I had to hit the airport, so I didn’t get a chance to thank you for restoring some levity to an overly-tense thread until my layover.


43 posted on 11/09/2009 10:35:29 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Schnucki
I just finished the article and it deserves a big bump.

A major European publication accurately reporting on the motivations of the school shooters and fairly quoting Ann Coulter deserves it.

44 posted on 11/12/2009 7:16:25 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Eurotwit
Did any of you read the bloody article?

That was worth asking twice :-)

45 posted on 11/12/2009 7:18:20 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

ping


46 posted on 11/12/2009 7:19:43 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Tribune7; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ...

Hat-tip to Tribune7 for locating this one...ping!


47 posted on 11/12/2009 10:14:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Eurotwit

Why would they? They don’t read anything before comment on other threads!


48 posted on 11/12/2009 10:44:58 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Second that.


49 posted on 11/12/2009 10:47:18 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: freedumb2003; Schnucki
"It isn’t hypersensitivity to point out simple fallacies in statements made by others. It is called “correcting the record” and it happens all the time on many subjects, here and all over the interwebz."

That's great. We can now 'correct the record' and point out that evolution is firmly based on the simple logical fallacy of affirming the consequent, among others.

50 posted on 11/12/2009 10:57:03 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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