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House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate
Yahoo! via AP ^ | Nov. 8, 2009 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

Posted on 11/08/2009 3:48:32 PM PST by justiceseeker93

WASHINGTON - The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

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The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; democrats; doa; healthcare; house; senate
Hope this article is on target, but we opponents of this bill can't afford to let our guard down. Remember that the House wasn't supposed to pass it following the "no" message the 'Rats were supposed to have received from the voters on Election Day, yet O's personal appearance there seemed to have magically gotten enough of them to fall into line.
1 posted on 11/08/2009 3:48:32 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Bull, for 100 million every senator there will sell out this country. they will just buy them off one at a time.


2 posted on 11/08/2009 3:52:57 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: justiceseeker93

I think this is correct.

Snowe wont vote for it ...and McCain says it is Unconstitutional


3 posted on 11/08/2009 3:53:43 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: justiceseeker93

Throw it in the trash can where it ought to be.


4 posted on 11/08/2009 3:54:02 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: justiceseeker93
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5 posted on 11/08/2009 3:54:57 PM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: JaneNC
McCain said that ?

I plan to harass these lizards on Monday anyways !

6 posted on 11/08/2009 3:55:50 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: edcoil
Exactly, either that or remove anything that keeps it from passing in the senate and then bribe some of the 40 house whores who voted no to change their votes.

When you have a checkbook with an unlimited balance anything is possible add in foreign interests with big check books and a desire to see the country take a fall,how can they lose. This include promises of immense wealth once a house or senate member is defeated.

Being a dirty dem means never having to say you are sorry.

7 posted on 11/08/2009 3:59:24 PM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: ml/nj; firebrand; ExTexasRedhead; Yaelle; LucyT; Arizona Carolyn; Atom Smasher; theothercheek; ...

Ping!!!


8 posted on 11/08/2009 3:59:49 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: ncalburt

I will be at a Townhall with McCain on Thursday...get your questions together. If McCain can pursuade the senate not to vote for it, I might even vote for him...and that’s different than what I was saying yesterday. But this is so important.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 4:01:25 PM PST by Hildy
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To: edcoil

Hope you’re wrong on that. But people like Soros are capable of these kinds of things.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 4:01:57 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
It appears to me that Obama is able to garner so much bribe money from George Soros that he can buy anybody he needs to.
11 posted on 11/08/2009 4:01:58 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: JaneNC
Now are Snowe, McCain, Graham, and a few other Pubbies reliable on this? Only time will tell.
12 posted on 11/08/2009 4:04:02 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Hildy

Yeah, as long as you understand McCain will say one thing and then do something else. Sorry, he has a history.


13 posted on 11/08/2009 4:04:12 PM PST by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: the law of unintended consequences in action.)
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To: All

So far in the past two days listening to Fox news, I have heard Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, Steve Harris, and Brit Hume say this bill will not pass the senate...but keep the pressure on anyway!!


14 posted on 11/08/2009 4:04:22 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather (Let's ROLL!!)
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To: Morgan in Denver

I know.


15 posted on 11/08/2009 4:06:30 PM PST by Hildy
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To: justiceseeker93

Lieberman is getting a LOT of heat.

He needs our encouragement.


16 posted on 11/08/2009 4:06:49 PM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: justiceseeker93; Bob J; Neil E. Wright; Jeff Head
Sorry to rain on the future parade, but the Senate can't be trusted, including Joe Lieberman. The entire Congress is now about "helping" the poor pitiful lower-class that has no "health-care", which is a misnomer because they can get any help they need in any ER close to them.

The above has facilitated in the closing of ER's around the Country because so many use it as "urgent care" and never pay their bills. They use ER's for sniffles, rashes, and other.

Just think when obambi/reid/pelosi Triad pass "immigration reform" and allow the illegals to access the system. You think that won't happen? Then you are naive.

17 posted on 11/08/2009 4:07:46 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever.)
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To: Hildy

You are very very lucky. That meeting will be a free for all after the vote last night and considering a number of AZ Dem congressman that helped Pelosi.

Just ask him if he will let the Dems dismantle Medicare and Medicare advantage and force everyone into an SEIU run Medicaid plan ( which is the real strategy of Obama / Pelosi!
You may also want to ask how he thinks we can stop this run away train !

Good Luck .


18 posted on 11/08/2009 4:10:35 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: kidd

You are right . I will call his office and thank him.


19 posted on 11/08/2009 4:12:27 PM PST by ncalburt (San Fran Nan , Your Harvey Milk was gunned down by a fellow Dem-RAT)
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To: A Navy Vet; All
Just think when the obambi/reid/pelosi Triad pass "immigration reform" and allow the illegals to access the system.

From what I've heard, illegals can access the new "public option" according to the House bill just passed.

20 posted on 11/08/2009 4:13:17 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Hildy
McCain will probably end up kissing some Dims ring...and voting for this freaking unconstitutional pile of baloney.

John McCain is one of the best POSTER BOYS for TERM LIMITS...I can think of!!!

And I'm being nice.....

21 posted on 11/08/2009 4:14:36 PM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: justiceseeker93

bttt


22 posted on 11/08/2009 4:30:43 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Socialism is an opportunistic infection of the body politic. It occurs when defenses are low.)
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To: justiceseeker93

We are told the Taliban are very few yet control the mass’s of the middle east you know all the moderate muslims.

A small group in the USA with the power the government has taken from the people can do that same and cause a lot of damage.


23 posted on 11/08/2009 4:30:52 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Hildy
I wouldn't have said anything but you've been on FR as long as I have and you live there.
24 posted on 11/08/2009 4:31:35 PM PST by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: the law of unintended consequences in action.)
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To: justiceseeker93
I know most of the readers of this website are very disappointed (read: sickened) by the vote on Saturday nite that pushed the pelosicare bill through the HR.

IMHO, it is way past time to end this islamic, muslim, communist, socialist administration. Way past time.

It is time to state our conservative values in no uncertain terms. It is time to search out truthful, courageous, conservative leaders and do whatever we must to promote them. It is time to kill the poor excuse for public media and re-establish truthful skillful objective journalism. It is time to reform "health care" by starting where the expenses are - medical tort reform and medical care costs. It is time to stop bending over backward to be "politically correct". It is time to hunt down those who would do intentional harm to this society - whereever and whoever they are - and remove them - permanently. It is time to remove all - repeat ALL illegal aliens from our country - including their offspring. It is time to close ALL of our borders to illegals from anywhere. It is time to stop accepting the pseudo-physchological pap being fed to our youth by the US public education system. It is time to bring back non-union manufacturing jobs to this country. It is time to stop buying from any company that re-sells it's "product" to us after buying it from China.

It is time for us to rise up and stop the nonsense!

Unfortunately, to do this, it takes money....real money. Ask Bloomberg from NY....he knows. And that was a "local" election.

I visited a site called, "opensecrets.org" because it does a very good job of tracking $$ contributions to politicians and their parties.

It reports that for the 2010 elections - be they House or Senate, the dims have raised more $$ than the rinos.

If $$$ buys elections...then we need to do what is necessary to get rid of the dims...and that will take $$$.

Go check out the site...it's interesting.

25 posted on 11/08/2009 4:36:31 PM PST by Logic n' Reason (If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.)
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To: Hildy

I added a grin but it didn’t work the first time.

Here it is again. < grin >


26 posted on 11/08/2009 4:37:08 PM PST by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: the law of unintended consequences in action.)
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To: justiceseeker93

I just don’t know what to think anymore...yesterday blew my mind. These demoncraps make me want to vomit. I have very little trust in the Senate. There are a handful of pubbies that I trust to do the right thing, but the rest of the RINOS & the demoncraps might pass this bill if they’re bribed in the right way.

Like I said, I have lost faith in this government & only look to God & my fellow We The Peoples of this country. History has been written alright...it will be a dark time for all of us...


27 posted on 11/08/2009 4:42:08 PM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: justiceseeker93

Oh Plleeezzzz...you really aren’t going to spin this crap are you...of course it will go in the Senate..Obama will start threatening lives or bribing..it will go.


28 posted on 11/08/2009 4:43:14 PM PST by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: A Navy Vet

“Sorry to rain on the future parade, but the Senate can’t be trusted, including Joe Lieberman. The entire Congress is now about “helping” the poor pitiful lower-class that has no “health-care”, which is a misnomer because they can get any help they need in any ER close to them.”

I hate to agree with this but I think you’re right. I do think that Lieberman will oppose a public option, but the Senate will just pass some watered down bill without a named public option, then they’ll get rolled by Pelosi and Co. in conference, then it will come back to the Senate and only require a 51 vote majority-allowing “moderate” Dems up for re-election to vote against the final bill and say they opposed it.

I pray to God I’m wrong about this. Maybe, just maybe, the “progressive” Dems will just find the lack of a public option totally unacceptable and the bill will be killed among the in-fighting with the Senate Dems. I think that’s really the best scenario we can hope for at this point.


29 posted on 11/08/2009 4:46:18 PM PST by lquist1
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To: justiceseeker93

Real battle is in the senate. The house was a done deal.


30 posted on 11/08/2009 4:54:37 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93!


31 posted on 11/08/2009 5:01:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: justiceseeker93

to read later


32 posted on 11/08/2009 5:23:25 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. " George Orwell)
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To: Rosemont

If Harry Reid can count on 51 solid votes he may detonate the reconcilation nuclear option, attach the entire House Bill, as is, to some other legislation, pass and fed ex the bastard straight to White House where Obama will sign it in a Chicago second.


33 posted on 11/08/2009 5:24:23 PM PST by AU72
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To: Dick Bachert

I want a roll-call vote of the Senate on an amendment to strip the health care bill of criminal provisions for failure to engage in a “free market” transaction. I want the names of the anti-constitutional fascist swine that inhabit the Senate.


34 posted on 11/08/2009 5:26:11 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: justiceseeker93
I just hope Senate democrats aren't just asking for a little palm-greasing.

It seems Chicago politicking is the name of the game these days. Call me cynical and I'll not call you wrong.

35 posted on 11/08/2009 5:35:34 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: Morgan in Denver
that's a 'grin"?


36 posted on 11/08/2009 5:36:30 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Osage Orange
McCain is very close to being a Scozzafava (or whatever her name is).

IOW, a Trojan Horse.

37 posted on 11/08/2009 5:37:52 PM PST by the anti-liberal
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To: briarbey b
Obama will start threatening lives or bribing..it will go.

He'll make an offer they can't refuse?

"Yes, Don Vito Obama."

38 posted on 11/08/2009 5:42:10 PM PST by Ole Okie (American)
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To: maine-iac7

Yeah, yeah.....

ROFLOL


39 posted on 11/08/2009 5:45:05 PM PST by Morgan in Denver (Democrats: the law of unintended consequences in action.)
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To: Atom Smasher; All
only look to God & my fellow We The Peoples

Actually, whatever you call it, "prayer" for the spiritual or 'noetic science' for the non-religeous -

PRAYER WORKS - and 'group' prayer REALLY works.

Even the scientists and medics now admit that it works, even though they don't know how.

So, Freepers, should we designate a day and a time for a group prayer for the Senate to defeat this Socialist takeover bill?

How could we contact all Freepers, set a day SOON and a time - and git'er done?

PRAYER WORKS - but we need to ask. "Ask and ye shall receive."

40 posted on 11/08/2009 5:46:02 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7

I like your thoughts on this...I was thinking about the way that “God works in mysterious ways”. Perhaps this has to come to pass? So many people have lost touch with God in this country that perhaps this is a way to bring people back to him. Maybe this has to happen, for a short time anyway...until we can get the bill repealed, if it gets passed.

A time of prayer with fellow FReepers would be great!


41 posted on 11/08/2009 5:53:26 PM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: AU72
QUOTE: If Harry Reid can count on 51 solid votes he may detonate the reconcilation nuclear option, attach the entire House Bill, as is, to some other legislation, pass and fed ex the bastard straight to White House where Obama will sign it in a Chicago second.

Agreed. Hume, et al are correct that this bill won't pass the Senate, but there is a danger that some form of it will and then it will be brought to reconciliation for a 51 vote approval. This back door is a real possibility because I don't think it can even be filibustered.

42 posted on 11/08/2009 6:36:16 PM PST by Thickman (Term limits are the answer.)
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To: justiceseeker93

“Hope this article is on target, but we opponents of this bill can’t afford to let our guard down. Remember that the House wasn’t supposed to pass it following the “no” message the ‘Rats were supposed to have received from the voters on Election Day”

I agree 100% ... the Democrats just drink the koolaid about how America really wants this and are liable to actually pass this and throw their majority to the winds.

I think the House realized that if they did nothing, that it would slip into 2010.


43 posted on 11/08/2009 6:54:43 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: AndyJackson
I want a roll-call vote of the Senate on an amendment to strip the health care bill of criminal provisions for failure to engage in a "free market" transaction.

Agreed. Maybe we can contact the offices of a few staunch opponents of the bill and ask them if they could introduce such an amendment. Then we can separate the wheat from the chaff.

44 posted on 11/08/2009 6:54:49 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!

Always figured it would get through the house but still believe it won’t pass in the senate.


45 posted on 11/08/2009 6:58:55 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: All

I wouldn’t trust any of them in the Senate. All of them can be bought with maybe 2 or 3 exceptions. This government is now out of control and is totally disconnected from the citizens. We need to act and act no wand act strong. Tea Parties were laughed at and Town Halls were blown off. Time to take this to a new level. Some of us now are talking about a National Strike..a week of outrage ..let me know if you’re interested.
I need someone who is a good writer to help draft a letter to other conservatives to work in solidarity with all groups . Email me if tyou can write.


46 posted on 11/08/2009 7:00:20 PM PST by sonic109
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To: justiceseeker93

That’s what they want you to believe so you don’t ‘pester’ them with your opinionated calls, emails etc.


47 posted on 11/08/2009 7:06:25 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: justiceseeker93
"I believe the debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today."

Recession??? Depression??? What about the destruction of the U.S. economy???

48 posted on 11/08/2009 7:14:21 PM PST by Savage Beast (“If you throw a rock over a fence, it’s the hit dog that hollers.” -Mike Huckabee)
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To: justiceseeker93

I know this is a silly question...but are Illegal Aliens covered under the House and Senate plans???


49 posted on 11/08/2009 7:18:38 PM PST by Savage Beast (“If you throw a rock over a fence, it’s the hit dog that hollers.” -Mike Huckabee)
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To: Savage Beast; All
...are illegal aliens covered under the House and Senate plans???

I believe they are covered under the Pelosi House bill that passed last night, which the MSM won't want you to know. I don't know about the Senate bill, since there have been more than one drafted in committee and none has passed the Senate as yet.

50 posted on 11/08/2009 7:39:18 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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