Skip to comments.In Turkey, fertile ground for creationism
Posted on 11/08/2009 5:47:34 PM PST by Gondring
Adnan Oktar, who as Harun Yahya is
Turkey's best-known and most assertive
critic of evolution, says he is
"following the path of Allah."
(Marc Kaufman/the Washington Post)
ISTANBUL -- Sema Ergezen teaches biology to Turkish students interested in teaching science themselves, and she has long struggled with her students' ignorance of, and sometimes hostility to, the notion of evolution.
But she was taken aback when several of her Marmara University students recently accused her of being an atheist, or worse, for teaching anything but the doctrine that God created the Earth and everything on it.
"They said I was a liar if I called myself a Muslim because I also accepted evolution," she said.
What especially disturbed -- and amused -- the veteran professor was that the arguments for creationism presented by some of the students came directly from the country where she was educated in the biological sciences years before -- the United States. Translated and adapted for a Muslim society, the purported proofs that Darwinism and evolution were wrong came directly from American proponents of Christian creationism and its less overtly religious offshoot, intelligent design.
To many Turkish scientists and educators, this is a worrisome development. The founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, was an advocate of science, education and, some say, even evolution. Turkish science has been especially strong in the Muslim world. If Turks close their minds to evolutionary thinking, advocates say, it won't be long before religion and politics shut off other scientific pursuits.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I suppose to be fair, we need to teach Islamic Creationism in schools now, too..right?
How perfect. Ignorant 7th century superstition on the rise in Turkey, and Creationists applaud...
I am sorry, but I am picturing the Crevo wars here in islam — heads would literally roll!
Soul mates ping
Just because the Christians and Islamists are for it, I guess I have to be against it.
“Darwin is the worst Fascist there has ever been, and the worst racist history has ever witnessed,”
A tad extreme, but not far off the mark according to Darwin’s own words and supposed findings.
“American Christians helping to promote the rise of Islam against science in Turkey.”
So... prove to me Evolution by Science and I’ll agree with your comment.
There is absolutely no real conflict between evolution and Christianity.....just a made up one......not sure about Islam.
We’ve been talking about Mr. Oktar quite a bit in our church lately, because he thinks he can bridge the gaps between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. My pastor thinks he may be the Antichrist, due to the recent writings of theologians like Joel Richardson.
Well, no need to go there. God is bringing the brightest and sharpest young Turks to our doorsteps, as students a our universities. They show up as wide-eyed tourists, eager to get to know America, American culture, and Americans. Show an interest in them, their language, and their culture, and you’ll easily make a friend for life. And, by the time they’ve spent a few years hanging around with an American Christian family, they will think differently about us.
Check out this page and read the section on Qtub.
And no, I *won't* give you a new keyboard.
Look at a map. It's where terrorists come into Turkey.
They have allowed several expeditions in the past and it seems that if there was anything there, it would have been either found or ground up by the glacier.
Because I have far better things to do with my time. And you?
Qutb (not Qtub) was hanged in 1966, not 1996.
You mean like trolling FR with atheist talking points, while ignoring literal theocracies run by Muslims over there?
The Turks I’ve met came to this country believing, on the basis of what Hollywood had to say, that Americans have no room in their lives for family or faith. Being made welcome in a Christian home, and treated with respect by the entire family, including the children, opened their eyes to the part of American life that Hollywood ignores.
What's that you say? Teaching evolution had nothing to do with any of these things? No. But if that “someone” is to be sent, then perhaps Dawkins, is the man.
He's bright, respected, well versed in evolutionary theory, the Turks will love him.
Huh? I'm the one who posted this disturbing article, where theocracy threatens science.
In fact, had Charles Darwin devoted his life to his pigeons and not promulgated his theories, would any Turk be worse off, be lacking in anything they have now? Would I? In a word......no.
Only if believe that knowledge has no meaning.
Exactly! Why aren't you over there DOING something about it: I suspect that the proportion of Turkish creationists among the denizens of FR is something less than a plurality.
But the creationism alone isn't worrisome to me: what worries me is whether Turkey is sliding from a more-or-less secular state to an explicitly Mohommadean one -- given that we have nukes stored at Incirlik.
You will find few IQs over 80 on this forum anymore.
The founder of the parastate of Turkey Kemal Mustafa was a proponent of the final solution—the butchery of 4 million Christians betweem 1915 and 1923.
Turks are what they are: cold blooded amoral murderers. As such what they do or do not teach makes no difference in the grand scheme of the Lord.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.