Posted on 11/09/2009 6:23:51 AM PST by jmaroneps37
Army Psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan joined the “selectively offended” ranks when he shot to death 12 and wounded 38 soldiers and killed a civilian, all of whom were unarmed victims.
We’ve seen this kind of thing before; the recurrent story of a “selectively offended” gunman wading into a room of unarmed victims shooting and killing at will.
Cowards like Long Island Rail Road killer Colin Ferguson; Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris the Columbine killers and Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people in Virginia Tech’s “gun free zone” share a common feature. They were all angry and “selectively offended” only when surrounded by innocent unarmed people.
Questions and a lesson
Why are military bases “gun free zones?”
Why can’t firearms trained soldiers be trusted with guns to protect themselves?
Was nothing learned from Fort Dix?
Why was Hasan removed from Walter Reed but allowed continued access to the very soldiers he hates?
Who promoted this man to Major despite all that was known about him?
Why is his yelling “Allahu Akbar” not proof he is an Islamist enemy of America?
Would armed soldiers have been slaughtered to this extent?
Sulejman Talović: a name the media wants to ignore
Remember Sulejman Talović? Like his fellow Islamist Hasan Talovic yelled “Allahu Akbar” while he mowed down unarmed victims in a Utah mall a few years back. Like Hasan he busied himself calmly walking through a building shooting people, but unlike Hasan he was shot and killed after killing five people instead of the dozens he planned on murdering. An armed off duty police officer shot him and kept shooting at him until more armed cops came and helped him finish the bastard off.
The lesson is clear: guns in trained hands kill the “selectively offended” and save the lives innocent victims.
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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
I saw an interview with a serial crimminal from Florida a long time ago. When asked if he was afraid of the police he laughed and said he was afraid of the armed citizen.
Call, fax and write to the NRA to encourage them to get members and politicians to push for CCW on all military bases for AMERICAN soldiers. We need to push this hard.
Join the NRA also if you have a few extra bucks. I dumped cable TV and the savings will be used to donate to conservtaives and NRA membership. Alternatively people can keep watching TV and be serfs. Fox has too much Saudi ownership and the others are horrible.
Was he "removed" or was this a normal PCS move?
It isn’t pc morons that determine bas firearm policies, it’s the CO.
Why concealed? No one on a military base is going to get a case of the vapors if they see a soldier with a pistol in a shoulder, thigh, or hip holster. It's a lot easier to carry outside your clothing, and it makes the weapon more accessible.
He was with the Muslim Brotherhood and this was set up long ago. He was a sleeper. The white hut is filled with MB and Hamas sleepers. They are probably feeding intel to Al Qeada and the Taliban to kill American soldiers.
All of the crap about maybe he was upset is just that: Crap.
Two facts emerge from all of the latest news:
#1 He was a certified danger to the public and had been known as such for years.
#2 The Army knew it and was negligent, criminally so, for allowing him to remain in the army.
To further illustrate the Army's total incompetence in this matter, consider this:
The Army employed a total nutcase to treat and council veterans who had emotional problems as a result of their service. Do you think that this man did those men any good? Would you not suspect that he probably did them harm with suggestions that they are not good soldiers? With his hatred for those who would take any action against a Muslim, would you not suspect that he laid awake nights figuring out how he could further upset his patients?
I would bet money on it.
Someone in the Army needs to be demoted, maybe even discharged for dereliction of duty.
Sidearms or CCW - I say both. This is all designed by the Saudis and other Muslims to humiliate and kill American soldiers. You know who is involved.
Thanks Newt, Dede, McCain, Judges Carter and Land to name just a few.
That could be a problem on navy bases, as then there would be no where for them to stow their weapons when they are on-board, except in their cars.
I’ve heard the libdolt reason that if everyone was armed and started shooting, they wouldn’t know who the real bad guy was and would shoot each other.
Um, no, they’d shoot the guy screamin “allah ackbar!”
Modern liberalism really is a mental disorder.
Some general should be demoted to be another Beetle Baily, doomed to peel spuds and clean latrines forever.
Well corrupt CO’s like Casey are already dhimini’s bowing to Islam. Ditto Judge Carter & Land.
Our soldiers need CCW or open carry. We need to make it a mission to contact the NRA. This piece of **** was an Islamic sleeper like someone else we know.
The harm this jihadi did to soldiers he "treated" will be much geater than he did to those he shot. Unfortunately that story will never be told because of the media's criminal negligence.
Those are not mutually exclusive. However if the base CO determines the policy, why is it the same on, AFAIK, all stateside bases of all services?
No he was a sleeper. Wake up people. You have infiltration at the highest level.
In my grandfather’s day we had organizations that would take care of problems like Islamic extremism.
You would have to ask someone in the military that knows that answer. Probably has a lot to do with the base police and what they want on their base also.
On board the base, or on board their ships? Either way, don't they have arms rooms? Army and Air Force allow storage of personally owned weapons in unit arms rooms, for those who live in barracks or other non-family type quarters, which for those ranks would not be many anyway.
On board the base, or on board their ships? Either way, don't they have arms rooms? Army and Air Force allow storage of personally owned weapons in unit arms rooms, for those who live in barracks or other non-family type quarters, which for those ranks would not be many anyway.
Build or buy lockers for the troops. Wake up folks - we have infiltraion at the highest levels. TThis guy is no one off - he is a sleeper.
It seems it's time to revive some of these "organizations for the sole purpose taking care of "problems like Islamic extremism."
Sounds like a plan. That’s why I haven’t even bothered to get a new CCW for Virrginia, as I work on a navy base which doesn’t allow weapons. It would be awkward for the sailors that are ship-board though..
Right in the White House even.
But this guy was not, given that he was a doctor, "at the highest level". At best he was highly paid peon first class.
I doubt that a real sleeper is ranting in public about the evils of the US army and our hunt for terrorists.
A real sleeper is a sleeper.
But regardless of what he was/is....anyone with any brains at all should have taken action to have him removed from the army.
Further, the army is OBLIGATED to employ the best there is to treat the guys at Walter Reed.
The idea that they would allow a nutcase to treat the men is unconscionable.
Some general needs to spend the rest of his life raking leaves, cleaning latrines and digging holes that never will be used.
This comes from higher up, political correctness, racism against muslims etc. There is total infiltration. CCW on all military bases for AMERICAN troops.
Google Muslim Brotherhood and get back to me.
Do you know what a mess that would be in the morning and evening? People would have to allot time for standing in line to check-in and check-out their weapons. Each command would have to assign personnel to man the arms rooms. The base police would have to check each vehicle before entering the base to see if they were allowed to carry. Do you live in a big military town? The traffic generated by this would be unbelievable. You would also have to take time out at each vehicle entering the base, to check if the civilians are ok to carry. It would be very impratical and probably no one would carry on-base, just to avoid the hours of hassle involved, each day. I doubt you could find a skipper, that would allow personal weapons on-board his vessel anyway.
Who was it that said that a nation cannot survive treason from within?
>>Call, fax and write to the NRA to encourage them to get members and politicians to push for CCW on all military bases for AMERICAN soldiers. We need to push this hard.
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>Why concealed? No one on a military base is going to get a case of the vapors if they see a soldier with a pistol in a shoulder, thigh, or hip holster.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but yes they will. Have you ever tried to wear your Glock to Drill? It “raises concerns” and “It’s federal property, so you could be prosecuted for a felony” and, my favorite “you’re supposed to defend the Constitution, but you don’t have the right [to speak your mind, to keep & bear arms at will, etc].”
IOW, they’re scared that “soldiers with guns kill people” and that soldiers given the respect due freemen would turn on their command and/or politicians who disregard the Constitution.
The M9 Beretta is a useful tool, if: 1.You wish to club the assailant over the head with the pistol grip, and: 2. You wish to throw the pistol at the assailant with such velocity that you may distract him/her in such a manner, thus allowing you to run away.
Hands down, the M1911A1 should never, EVER, leave the arsenal of the U.S. Military. .45 ACP stops em' cold, EVERY TIME.
A colleague of this POS Hasan, Army Dr. Val Finnell reported to Fox that Hasan told him “I’m a muslim first and an American second.”
And he was STILL promoted!
Actually, the 1911 also makes a better club. :)
Even though both of my pistols are .45 ACP, I’m quite willing to let those who think that more rounds trumps bigger rounds carry what they wish. I would recommend JHPs for domestic duties, I’d recommend them for deployed use as well, but that gets into Hague Convention restrictions.
The biggest, in terms of the total population on post. And absolutely humoungous in terms of the fraction of the population that is tied to the post. You know it, it's the one where 13 souls were slaughtered because they, and everyone else in the facility, were unarmed.
And let me tell you, I was tempted to take my chances with the inpection lottery when returning to post on Thursday. I had to run by the house, and while there, I made sure I had a couple of loaded magazines for my M1 Carbine. I also unloaded 3 magazines for one of my .45s and replaced the FMJs, left over from a recent "shoot", with JHPs.
As it was, I wasn't inspected, but I was also surprised that I was even able to get on post, since most of it was locked down and closed. The part I work on is somewhat separate from the "main post", but it was closed shortly after I came through the gate.
But you would not need to do all that stuff, other than manning the arms room, would just be an additional duty for the CQ or other "duty NCO", anymore than they do now. Why? Those who obey the rules still would, and those who don't still would not.
The difference would be that when of those who "do not" went Jihad or postal, there'd be armed good guys on scene to stop them. No waiting for the MPs or civilian police to show up. (This masacre would have been a lot worse if the two civilian Army Police had not been coincidently working traffic for a graduation even a few 10s of yards from the Soldier Processing facility where it occurred. It would have been at least twice as long, maybe more, for the police/MPs to respond. The center is next to a theater/auditorium on one side, and baseball fields on the other. Down the road is the golf course. It's out in the outskirts of the main cantonment area of the post. Not many patrol cars out that way, most of the time.
However, since my proposal was to only routinely arm the more senior folks, I wasn't even proposing to let LTs (Ensigns and JGs to you) be armed. Most of those folks live off post/base or in family housing, where they can already store their privately owned weapons. The Swiss send all their *reservists* home with assault rifles or pistols (officers and NCOs) along with a tin of ready ammunition. Are we so much less trustworthy than a bunch of banking knomes and chocolate makers?
Don't have a Glock, but I do have a 1911A1 with a flap type holster for it. But back when I was attending UTAs, the state wouldn't let me have it my vehicle, unless I was going directly to or from a range. So it would not have mattered. (Long gun would have been OK though). And I have taken my personal weapon onto a US Military base, it wasn't even required to register it with the APs, unless you lived on base, but that was back in the dark ages, about the time of the '73 War, DEFCON 2/3, and the Oil Embargo.
But my statement was predicated on a *change in the rules*. Given that change, no civilian who happens to be on post/base is going to be suprised to see *soldiers* with weapons.
A few months, maybe a year now. There was a unit preparing for deployment that did require all it's troops to be routinely armed. Airborne types, by their red berets. After a minor suprise the first time I saw them, it was no big deal.
In formation though, you'd need an issue weapon anyway. Uniformity you understand?
That’s not the case on board navy vessels. While they have armories, I can’t imagine any skipper allowing personal weapons on-board his ship. You also have to take into consideration all the civilians that work on base. Should they be permitted to carry weapons or not? There are no arms rooms in the majority of naval buildings, so there really is no place to stow them when working or doing PT, except maybe in their vehicles. I know in the Tidewater area, the traffic that would be generated by vehicle checks, if weapons were allowed on base, would be horrific. The police would have to verify that if a weapon was found, it belonged to a legitimate CCW holder. I don’t think it’s feasible, and I really doubt it will happen.
>In formation though, you’d need an issue weapon anyway. Uniformity you understand?
Oh quite... I’m just more than a little fed-up with the political-BS... as well as the institutionalized hypocritical actions/policies/’traditions’ that are forced on people who are sworn to protect the Constitution by OTHER people who [supposedly] have sworn to protect/abide by that same constitution.
The ignoring of a certain single sentence, by ALL branches of the government, in the Constitution is enough [IMO] justification to violently purge ALL THREE branches of government: No ex post facto law nor bill of attainder shall be passed.
Congress has done so at least TWICE since 01Jan09: AIG retroactive punitive taxation, retroactive repeal of telecomm immunities. (There’s also the retroactive tax laws that they like.)
The Judicial system does so quite often: retroactively promoting misdemeanors to felonies (and thereby disbarring Citizens of both the right to suffrage and the right to keep & bear arms), applying exclusions targeting people...
The Executive branch does so with its Executive Orders, and regulations put forth by multitudinous agencies which are subject to arbitrary revision...
IOW, it’s like trying to play the game FLUXX... but instead everyone’s playing cards independently of each other AND insisting that just-played cards should have been in effect before they were played. {IE A giant CF.}
>That’s not the case on board navy vessels. While they have armories, I can’t imagine any skipper allowing personal weapons on-board his ship. You also have to take into consideration all the civilians that work on base. Should they be permitted to carry weapons or not?
The Second Amendment states:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state; the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Sounds a LOT like permission to me... and it IS from the highest law in the land. (Or is there something that trumps the Constitution?)
Hey, I’m all for it, I just don’t see it happening. It just isn’t my call. I know the navy, and I just really can’t see any skipper allowing personal weapons on-board. That mind-set follows over to shore commands also. While I would really like to see it available for civilians too, I really can’t see that happening, then they would have to worry about all the vending machine personnel, grounds keeper and housecleaning personnel. It would just be a mess. I guess for many, the traffic doesn’t sound like much, but here in this part of VA, the navy traffic would be a deciding factor, I think.
According to this investigative source, HASAN also downloaded material from the web site operated by former Dar al Hijrah mosque leader and terrorist facilitator Anwar Nasser al Awlaki. As reported here, al Awlaki was an imam at the Dar al Hijrah mosque in Fall Church, Virginia in 2001, where he advised and facilitated two of the 9/11 terrorists in the months prior to the attacks. Al Awlaki also counseled HASAN during that same period
The information obtained from HASAN’s digital files reportedly shows a “pattern of deliberate and willful planning to conduct some type of attack against the U.S. military prior to his deployment” [to Afghanistan], stated this source who requested anonymity as he is not authorized to speak publicly. “The motive behind the massacre appears to be rooted in his ideology, an ideology which was emboldened by online activity,” added this source. As indicated by a ABC News Online article, intelligence sources reportedly had a level of knowledge that HASAN was in communication with al Qaeda assets abroad. The source speaking to this author confirmed that report but went further, stating that this and information similar but not directly related to such communications became a “political issue” between government agencies and officials “at the policy making levels” of the administration.
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Well, the legal definition of a terrorist is one who commits a violent act with the intent of changing a government or a government policy.
Therefore, he does not fit the legal description.
He is a nutcase who might have envisioned himself as a terrorist, but a news item later in the day today throws another question into the mix.
I forget the exact numbers, but I believe that they are that six of the dead and maybe nine of the injured were mental health people that were in the same outfit he would have been in had he gone overseas.
So then the question: Did he have some vendetta against some of those he shot? Or was he just in a rage because he thought they had no business going?
Who knows.
It is enough to execute the guy regardless of why.
The real why is: How could the commanding officers allow this guy to be in the army. How could they allow him to be promoted to major when that rank requires a security clearance because an officer of that rank and above knows about things that should not be passed on to an enemy?
How could Walter Reed allow a person who obviously hates soldiers who went to fight Muslims treat returning vets who already have an emotional problem?
Veterans deserve the best, not some nut case that has problems worse than theirs and who probably used is knowledge of psychology to harm them.
As I said, some general needs to be put to work running a weed eater and a leaf rake in between digging a few hundred holes that he can fill up later when it is wet and muddy.
I agree with the validity of all your questions. I did post the article, not to educate you..but just to be aware. I think as the facts, small and big as they are, trickle out..we will see his is a player. He is a player, a part of a group of people who hate this govt, namely terrorists. They hate this country and want to use terrorism as a tool to destroy us, to make us fearful, and would rather see all of us convert to islam. He didn’t need an entire group of terrorists working as a group to commit a terrorist act.
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