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To: Fichori
The Greek word used for world is kosmos

Thanks. I suggest you look at the other Greek meanings of the word cosmos. By your own link, one of the meanings is "the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ."

There is no disagreement with the Hebrew scriptures nor anything that requires that the entire planet be flooded -- only the place where people "hostile to Christ" lived. The human race was young and had yet to spread over the whole planet. Humanity was likely limited to the Mesopotamian basin. The Bible is wonderfully consistent!

An exegetical reading of scripture neither supports nor denies a planet-wide flood. However, God's revelation through his creation does not support a worldwide flood in the past 10,000 years. God's revelation through his creation clarifies things not spoken of in his special revelation through his word.

Thank you for helping me further make my point.


50 posted on 11/10/2009 1:27:55 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike; count-your-change
I suggest you look at the other Greek meanings of the word cosmos. By your own link, one of the meanings is "the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ."” [excerpt]
So you are saying that when Peter wrote And spared not the old kosmos, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the kosmos of the ungodly; he was talking about 'the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ'?

And again when he wrote Whereby the kosmos that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: he was referring to the same group of men?

Could you please tell me exactly what the Cause of Christ was in Noah's day? Much appreciated.

When Matthew wrote That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the kosmos., what was he referring to and how can we know that?

“There is no disagreement with the Hebrew scriptures nor anything that requires that the entire planet be flooded -- only the place where people "hostile to Christ" lived.” [excerpt]
Um, the flood predated the birth Christ by some 2,000 plus years.

“The human race was young and had yet to spread over the whole planet. Humanity was likely limited to the Mesopotamian basin.” [excerpt]
Chapter and verse please.

“An exegetical reading of scripture neither supports nor denies a planet-wide flood.” [excerpt]
I think you mean 'Eisegetical'.

Previously you wrote:
I and most others with science training see big problems with interpreting eretz to mean the entire planet and point out that the language of the Bible does not require us to believe that Noah's flood covered the entire planet. [excerpt, emphasis mine]
Because if you did accept that the flood was global, then your faith in your science training would be pitted against your faith in God's word.

Tell me honestly, which would win?

“However, God's revelation through his creation does not support a worldwide flood in the past 10,000 years. God's revelation through his creation clarifies things not spoken of in his special revelation through his word.” [excerpt]
It would be more objective, [not to mention honest], to say God's revelation through his creation man's fallible and biased interpretation of circumstantial evidence does not support a worldwide flood in the past 10,000 years.

Really, your argument against a flood is based entirely on human 'knowlage', and is not God's inspired Word.

To interpret the scripture so that it does not contradict that 'knowledge' is eisegesis.

“Thank you for helping me further make my point.” [excerpt]
Your very welcome, but please try harder :(

Those ungodly men alienated from God and hostile to the cause of Christ who lived in Noah's day are being obtuse.
53 posted on 11/10/2009 4:29:22 PM PST by Fichori ('Wee-Weed Up' pitchfork wielding neolithic caveman villager with lit torch. Any questions?)
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