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All Public Displays of Christianity Could End with Italian Crucifix Ruling: Legal Expert
LifeSite ^ | November 9, 2009 | Hilary White

Posted on 11/09/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by NYer

ROME, November 9, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The recent decision by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) condemning the display of crucifixes in Italian public schools could result in the removal of all public displays of a Christian origin in all public buildings of Europe under the newly passed Lisbon Treaty, a British legal expert has warned.

Given the intimate connections between the ECHR, the Lisbon Treaty and the European Convention on Human Rights, UK barrister and anti-discrimination law expert Neil Addison told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN), "unless the European Court of Human Rights overrules itself on appeal, Italy, and indeed the rest of Europe, has a serious problem."

Addison, the author of the legal textbook, "Religious Discrimination and Hatred Law," said that the only way out, if an appeal by the Italian government to the same ECHR fails, would be for Italy to withdraw entirely from the EU, an option that he said is unlikely.

The ECHR decision came last week in response to a single suit brought by an Italian citizen of Finnish origin who has been campaigning for eight years to have crucifixes removed from schools. The court ruled that the display of crucifixes in public schools restricted religious freedoms. "The compulsory display of a symbol of a given confession in premises used by the public authorities ... restricted the right of parents to educate their children in conformity with their convictions," the court said.

While the ECHR, as a body of the Council of Europe, did not have the power to order the removal of crucifixes, "what it does do is find a violation of the Convention. The Italian government now has to report back to the Council of Europe exactly what it proposes to do in order to implement the ruling, which in this case will mean removing crucifixes from the classrooms, courts public buildings etc," Addison said.

He explained that if the ECHR judgment is not overturned on appeal then Italy cannot simply ignore the ruling. The effects will be profound, he said, since the Lisbon Treaty "in effect incorporates European Convention on Human Rights into EU law," which is now binding on Italy, and all other 26 member states.

Addison called the decision "an extraordinarily wide decision which could be used, for example, to prevent state schools putting on nativity plays." He cited the examples of Greek and Cypriot schools where it is common to see icons displayed. If the Italian crucifix ruling stands, he said, "those icons will have to be removed and, arguably so will displays of Christianity from all public buildings throughout Europe."

He said what is perhaps "most surprising" is that ECHR did not apply "its own concept of 'Margin of Appreciation and recognise that this type of question should be left to individual countries to decide."

Addison commented, "I do wonder if perhaps this judgment may, in time, come to be seen as European 'Dredd Scott' case, a moment when the implications of a court ruling are so significant and so contrary to public opinion that they lead to a public backlash."

The recently passed Lisbon Treaty gives the European Court of Justice (ECJ), a body of the European Union, the power to force the overturning of any law put in place in Italy or any other EU country the court interprets as being in violation of the Convention. The Lisbon Treaty's Declaration 17 says clearly that the EU would have primacy over the laws of member states: "The Conference recalls that, in accordance with well settled case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union, the Treaties and the law adopted by the Union on the basis of the Treaties have primacy over the law of Member States, under the conditions laid down by the said case law."

The ruling was greeted with furious defiance from the majority of Italian politicians of all parties who condemned it as an example of gross interference with and hostility towards the history, culture and religious traditions of Italy.

Editorials in European newspapers are beginning to note the irony, as Europe commemorates the fall of the Berlin Wall and prepares to celebrate (in the words of Italian government advertisements), "venti di liberta" ("twenty years of freedom"),  that the Lisbon Treaty has significantly jeopardised democracy in the EU.

An editorial in the UK's Daily Telegraph said, "On Monday, Gordon Brown will stand alongside other European leaders to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. He will be doing so at a moment when British democracy is under great strain. Will he notice the irony of the situation? Indeed, will other national leaders recognise that they face a similar democratic crisis?

"Italian Catholics feel just as strongly about the banning of crucifixes in their classrooms as (to cite a small but telling example) Britain's sea anglers feel about the EU's absurd demand that they report every fish they catch ... Discontent is growing with the undemocratic aspects of European institutions generally, though it surfaces in different ways across the Continent."


Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Italian Politicians Furious over Anti-Crucifix Decision by European Human Rights Court
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/nov/09110406.html


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; crucifix; italy

1 posted on 11/09/2009 10:22:29 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/09/2009 10:23:10 AM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Do you think a ban on suicide bombings would have the same affect on Islam?


3 posted on 11/09/2009 10:23:55 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: NYer

It’s so tiresome that human rights never quite make it to Christians or Jews. *sigh*


4 posted on 11/09/2009 10:25:08 AM PST by mancini
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To: NYer

Europe is dying.


5 posted on 11/09/2009 10:25:31 AM PST by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: NYer

Of such things are revolutions born...


6 posted on 11/09/2009 10:26:18 AM PST by piytar (Screw you NRC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: NYer

The entire world has gone insane.


7 posted on 11/09/2009 10:26:59 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Do not be surprised if Obama says religion is the root cause of the problem at Ft. Hood, and therefore instruct all military personal to maintain a 'religious free zone'- no outward show of faith, etc. so people don't offend each other. Never mind what the Constitution says. Its to keep people safe.

You know its coming...

8 posted on 11/09/2009 10:28:14 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: NYer

I guess they’ll have to build a 25 foot wall around Vatican Hill...............


9 posted on 11/09/2009 10:30:40 AM PST by Red Badger (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: NYer

It appears that all civilizations die. It is obvious that Western Civilization has started the “dying process.” Such is life. However, the really hard to swallow part is the ease with which we are being killed!


10 posted on 11/09/2009 10:32:24 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Ptarmigan

I’ve been emailing back and forth with some of my Italian cousins about this crap. Funny, I was “racista” when I would tell them what was going on here regarding Christianity. “Be open minded” I was told.

My retort to them: “Wait until you have this happen in your country.”

So now that they agree with me, I guess we’re all “racista” now?!?


11 posted on 11/09/2009 10:34:57 AM PST by GOPsterinMA ("Henceforth, you shall be known as...'Nobel Obama'".)
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To: GOPsterinMA

The term “racist” is thrown around way too much. Too many victocrats. It trivializes real racism. The ones who cry racism are racists themselves. I consider the most dangerous racist the ones adamantly deny they are racist, like Al Shaprton and Jesse Jackson.


12 posted on 11/09/2009 10:39:15 AM PST by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: NYer

How poetic, after the pleading of Benedict XVI for Europe not to throw away its Christian identity left out of the Lisbon Treaty, that the first and perhaps fatal move by the European Courts is to declare European Christianity dead.

Why anyone thinks the Church is not led by the Holy Spirit is beyond me. Time and time again, her prescience is proven inspired, time and time again, her wisdom is ignored to the detriment of all.


13 posted on 11/09/2009 10:39:25 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: NYer

WHAT the HECK is wrong with these people????

WEstern CIVILIZATION is based on Judaeo-Christian religious philosophy and is part and parcel of our society.

This HAS GOT TO STOP.

Islam needs to be removed from western society and shuit back up in the desert wastes which spawned it.

This is an OUTRAGE. These people come to OUR lands, demand WE remove symbols and practises of OUR religion, demand THEY be allowed to impose THEIR religious practises on US and KILL anyone of our faith who attempts to practise it in THEIR countries.

Its past time to take political correctness and all the fools who support it and kick them into the Islamic darkness where there IS the wailing and gnashing of teeth.


14 posted on 11/09/2009 10:48:33 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Statist control of individuals as exemplified by international organizations such as the UN and the ECHR will inevitably result in suppression of religion and the implementation of secular values.

In the U.S., the inevitable elimination of private insurance with its inherent enshrinement of abortion and euthanasia is another example of the fruits of statism.

I pray that someday the Vatican realizes this.


15 posted on 11/09/2009 11:00:35 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: NYer

I cannot believe Latin Catholics will tolerate this suppression of their culture.

Western liberalism is a nihilistic yearning for oblivion.

If it is not destroyed, it will destroy us.


16 posted on 11/09/2009 11:01:47 AM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: NYer
He said what is perhaps "most surprising" is that ECHR did not apply "its own concept of 'Margin of Appreciation' and recognise that this type of question should be left to individual countries to decide."

Anyone surprised that these socialist scum aren't restraining their own power is an abject moron.

17 posted on 11/09/2009 11:15:20 AM PST by piytar (Screw you NRC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: NYer

Certainly Italy can ignore the ruling and I hope they do.


18 posted on 11/09/2009 11:21:17 AM PST by sand lake bar (Obama: Take away my 1st Amendment and you'll force me to use the 2nd.)
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To: NYer
Heh.

EU sure is fun, isn't it?

19 posted on 11/09/2009 11:22:53 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: ZULU
WEstern CIVILIZATION is based on Judaeo-Christian religious philosophy and is part and parcel of our society.

Which is precisely why it's being driven out of 'public' life. Read up on Antonio Gramsci.

20 posted on 11/09/2009 11:25:19 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: NYer
This is ridiculous.
They're building mosques with the call to prayer in France, Germany, and Britain, and they're whining about crucifixes in Italy???

This is political correctness and multiculturalism out of control.

21 posted on 11/09/2009 2:56:22 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: trisham
The entire world has gone insane.

You know ... you're absolutely right! Up until a few years ago, issues tended to be local; now they are international. It seems to me that as we have 'progressed', we have actually regressed. More and more, society at large resembles the ancient pagan civilizations. Following the death of JPII and just prior to the conclave, then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger delivered the homily at the Pro Eligendo Mass. I will never forget his words:

How many winds of doctrine have we known in recent decades, how many ideological currents, how many ways of thinking. The small boat of the thought of many Christians has often been tossed about by these waves - flung from one extreme to another: from Marxism to liberalism, even to libertinism; from collectivism to radical individualism; from atheism to a vague religious mysticism; from agnosticism to syncretism and so forth. Every day new sects spring up, and what St Paul says about human deception and the trickery that strives to entice people into error (cf. Eph 4: 14) comes true.
Full Text.

Doesn't that say it all!

22 posted on 11/09/2009 3:44:08 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Why anyone thinks the Church is not led by the Holy Spirit is beyond me. Time and time again, her prescience is proven inspired, time and time again, her wisdom is ignored to the detriment of all.

Amen!

23 posted on 11/09/2009 3:45:44 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: Psalm 144
I cannot believe Latin Catholics will tolerate this suppression of their culture.

84% of Italians, regardless of their religious affiliation, have stood up to say they disagree with this ruling. The Italian Minister for Education went so far as to say she will not remove crucifixes from classrooms. Unfortunately, when the European nations weighed the concept of joining together as a unified group, they signed on to the consequences. Here they are!

24 posted on 11/09/2009 3:48:47 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

It does. It really does. As time goes on, I realize more and more how blessed we are, particularly in our last two Popes. They are amongst the most inspired, learned and intelligent of men.


25 posted on 11/09/2009 3:52:03 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
As time goes on, I realize more and more how blessed we are, particularly in our last two Popes. They are amongst the most inspired, learned and intelligent of men.

Have you read St. Faustina's diary? In it, our Lord explains the purpose of this message .... I am giving them the last hope of salvation; that is, the Feast of My Mercy. ...tell souls about this great mercy of Mine, because the awful day, the day of My justice, is near." Notebook II:965.

Given what we have witnessed in our time, the obvious becomes manifest.

26 posted on 11/09/2009 4:08:00 PM PST by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: trisham

This Pope is wonderful and I worry about him. Secular governments and anti-Christian elements consider him merely an annoyance now, but he likely will be elevated to official enemy of the EU status before long. At that point the Pope will require additional security, beyond the Swiss Guard. The SG is highly trained and professional, as good as any at what they do, but basically are bodyguards. As events unfold, a military unit capable of defending against a military assault is going to be required. What government is going to provide this? I don’t know. As ironic as it seems, Israel could provide the expertise and technology. As prophecy becomes reality, it will be seen that Jews and Catholics/conservative Christians will be aligned against most everyone else.


27 posted on 11/09/2009 4:27:48 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86
I worry about him too. I pray for him often, but I trust in God that Pope Benedict will be here with us as long as He (God) intends.

We (Jews, Catholics and other Christians) are already under assault. It is imperative that we work together, without dissension.

28 posted on 11/09/2009 4:37:35 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ptarmigan

Amen! Excellent points!


29 posted on 11/10/2009 5:52:01 AM PST by GOPsterinMA ("Henceforth, you shall be known as...'Nobel Obama'".)
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