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To: Carry_Okie; DallasMike; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; ...
DallasMike asks a good question, too -- how did this guy get past the NICS check? Probably because up to the time he went jihad, he didn't have any negatory behaviors on file that would have flagged him. Particulary a US Army officer.

So back to your original question, Carry_Okie -- how did they trace this? They would have the make/model/ser#, so...

1) Maybe that NICS data isn't getting destroyed within 24 hours like the law requires.

2) Maybe the FBI sent agents out to every gun shop in the area, looked through the 4473 forms, and got lucky.

3) Something I haven't thought of yet.

Not being paranoid, but my bet's on horse #1.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

42 posted on 11/09/2009 12:25:34 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

The weapon is recovered, and they contact FN who provides the distributor to which it was shipped, the distributor provides the dealer, and the dealer checks through their bound book.


44 posted on 11/09/2009 12:30:05 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: Joe Brower
how did this guy get past the NICS check?

from one article i read, FBI called the local shop, asked them to pull the yellow sheet, matched the gun, found it was purchased by someone with a different name.
49 posted on 11/09/2009 12:35:47 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Joe Brower; absolootezer0

the article..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2380295/posts


54 posted on 11/09/2009 12:41:03 PM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Joe Brower
1) Maybe that NICS data isn't getting destroyed within 24 hours like the law requires.

2) Maybe the FBI sent agents out to every gun shop in the area, looked through the 4473 forms, and got lucky.

3) Something I haven't thought of yet.

Not being paranoid, but my bet's on horse #1.

The same thought crossed my mind after the make model and place of purchase was announced so quickly.

In my ignorance I thought the NICS data was stored for six months. Thanks for educating me.

The FBI tipped their hand and used the NISC system !

I too am betting on horse #1.

Only fair to warn you I only bet on sure things and fixed horse races.

58 posted on 11/09/2009 12:44:06 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: Joe Brower; Carry_Okie
So back to your original question, Carry_Okie -- how did they trace this?

An improper use of NICS would be having personal info on an individual and being able to discover what types of guns the individual purchased. Say, for example, if they couldn't find any murder weapon, but then came along and said they were looking for a certain type of 9mm that the perp bought.

That doesn't seem to be the case here however, because they had the weapon. Once they have the weapon itself, it can be easily traced without using NICS or any other fed resources.

61 posted on 11/09/2009 12:49:38 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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I still want to know if he shaved his body hair.


67 posted on 11/09/2009 1:15:11 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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Has anyone heard the Luby’s massecure mentioned in relation to this story?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/first100/1001214.html


68 posted on 11/09/2009 1:23:26 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Joe Brower
how did they trace this? They would have the make/model/ser#, so...

I can answer this. They went to the manufacturer who told them which wholesaler they transferred it to, who told them which FFL dealer they sold it to, who told the FBI who bought it.

70 posted on 11/09/2009 1:47:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Joe Brower
Not being paranoid, but my bet's on horse #1.

FIST is apparently still with us.

73 posted on 11/09/2009 1:48:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: surrender, fight, or die.)
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To: Joe Brower
They would have the make/model/ser#, so...

They just traced it the normal way. They contacted FN, asked what jobber/wholesaler that serial number was sold to. Then they contacted that jobber/wholesaler and asked which dealer that serial number was sold to. All those records are required to be maintained, just as the 4473s are required to be kept at the dealers. Then they went to Guns Galore, and asked to see that 4473.

You might still not be paranoid enough, but it's not necessary to figure out how they did this. It's whole reason guns are required to have serial numbers, and for those records to be maintained at the various points along the supply chain.

Now if they can figure where he bought ammo and spare magazines, assuming it wasn't Guns Galore, then you have something to be paranoid about. :)

76 posted on 11/09/2009 2:05:55 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Joe Brower

“Not being paranoid, but my bet’s on horse #1.”

I can’t think of any one on this thread that would take you up on that bet, Joe.


84 posted on 11/09/2009 5:00:01 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (><BCC>NRA)
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To: Joe Brower

1) Maybe that NICS data isn’t getting destroyed within 24 hours like the law requires.

We know it is not being destoryed.


87 posted on 11/09/2009 7:00:33 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm)
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