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Roeder confesses to shooting abortion doctor
Kansas City Star ^ | Nov 9, 2009 | AP

Posted on 11/09/2009 1:03:03 PM PST by Former Military Chick

WICHITA | Scott Roeder has confessed to the shooting of a Kansas abortion provider.

The 51-year-old Kansas City man told The Associated Press in a telephone call from jail Monday that he plans to use the so-called necessity defense at his trial.

Roeder contends the killing of George Tiller in May at a Wichita church was justified to protect the lives of unborn children.

His confession comes as abortion opponents across the nation release a new “Defensive Action Statement” arguing for the same force to protect the unborn as is justified to protect born children. The 21 signers want jurors to be allowed to consider that defense at Roeder’s Jan. 11 trial.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionists; abortionistshooting; georgetiller; murder; roeder; tiller; wichita
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Well, it seem's you can still pursue "life" behind bars.
1 posted on 11/09/2009 1:03:04 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Will he claim he was under “stress” or that he was “picked on?”

(sarcasm)


2 posted on 11/09/2009 1:04:04 PM PST by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: Former Military Chick

His motives remain so mysterious. I wonder if he caught secondary PTSD from soldiers, or maybe he was called a rude name by somebody once.


3 posted on 11/09/2009 1:04:44 PM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: Former Military Chick
This guy sure didn’t murder as God approved IMO.

Killing the unborn is horrible as well and needs to change.

4 posted on 11/09/2009 1:06:40 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Former Military Chick

I know this may be controversial, but I believe that his actions have already saved numerous lives.


5 posted on 11/09/2009 1:06:49 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: Former Military Chick

While I am personally opposed to killing abortion doctors, I don’t think it is right to impose my beliefs on others.

May Tiller the Butcher find rest by the fire.


6 posted on 11/09/2009 1:06:59 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: Former Military Chick

Eric Rudolph supports this guy. Rudolph bombed the Atlanta Olympics.


7 posted on 11/09/2009 1:07:24 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: cvq3842

Well, I am sure this is about his legal defense, but, I do find it interesting that the folks who have killed on behalf of the life of the unborn child have a way into the discussion.

This country is moving towards “life” it is slow but it is finally realizing that the unborn are in fact innocent and should be protected.


8 posted on 11/09/2009 1:07:39 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Please pray for our troops as they selflessly serve in harm's way say an extra one for my beloved!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Just a case of Pre-Traumatic Stress Disorder.


9 posted on 11/09/2009 1:10:58 PM PST by FTJM
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To: AppyPappy

“Rudolph bombed the Atlanta Olympics”

Haven’t there been a couple of such “bombs” in NY planted by leftists over the last 24 months and they have attracted virtually ZERO attention.

They have been treated like “oh well, just little bombs, no real harm done”.


10 posted on 11/09/2009 1:11:14 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Former Military Chick

The left will rush to condemn him and call it Christofascism. They will demand investigations on anyone who belongs to Christianity and/or goes to Church on Sunday. All Christian preachers and ministers will be investigated for inciting members to murder.

Meanwhile, the left will give a free pass to all members of a middle eastern death cult who go to indoctrination meetings on Friday. All cult leaders who tell their congregations that Christians and Jews are pigs and dogs will get a free exemption from prosecution.


11 posted on 11/09/2009 1:11:29 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (beware the alliance of the left and the jihadis.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I know this may be controversial, but I believe that his actions have already saved numerous lives.

No doubt, that's true, but read Roeder was wrong; condemning Tiller's killer
12 posted on 11/09/2009 1:13:01 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Can you imagine the controversy of a hung jury in which one holdout refuses to convict him? The questioning of potential jurors should be interesting.


13 posted on 11/09/2009 1:13:54 PM PST by doug from upland (10+ million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Former Military Chick

That’s not just a defense but the reason ... he didn’t kill Tiller to punish him but to STOP him.


14 posted on 11/09/2009 1:15:10 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Scott Roeder has confessed to the shooting of a Kansas abortion provider.
 
Well now. Let's not jump to conclusions. Because "We cannot fully know what leads a man to do such a thing."


15 posted on 11/09/2009 1:26:26 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I know this may be controversial, but I believe that his actions have already saved numerous lives.

No controversy. Just a statement of fact.

16 posted on 11/09/2009 1:58:40 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: Former Military Chick

Wow, what timing!

Are they attempting to compare the assassinations of the soldiers to Tiller’s?


17 posted on 11/09/2009 2:00:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: mlizzy
No doubt, that's true,

Well said.

18 posted on 11/09/2009 2:03:14 PM PST by sonofagun
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To: doug from upland

That is actually an excellent point, that I had not considered, as a current Kansas resident Roeder hasn’t been in the news of late, so I will watch what the coverage is tonight and whether your point is addressed.


19 posted on 11/09/2009 2:08:37 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Please pray for our troops as they selflessly serve in harm's way say an extra one for my beloved!)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes, he did do the bombing, but, he also first went after abortion clinics, what moved him to the Atlanta Olympic bombing hasn’t been stated but he felt abortion docs were wrong and bombed their buildings. Again, both are wrong, but why he moved to Atlanta I have not heard a clear reason.


20 posted on 11/09/2009 2:12:09 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Please pray for our troops as they selflessly serve in harm's way say an extra one for my beloved!)
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To: Former Military Chick

Whenever the “saving lives” defense has been tried before regarding breaking the law, it has always been struck down by the judge before it could even be presented. I expect the same to happen here. The jury won’t be allowed to consider this defense.


21 posted on 11/09/2009 2:14:12 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Former Military Chick

President Obama condemned the Tiller murder the day it happened. Did Barack include a condemnation of the muslim shooter along with his stated sympathies for the shooting victims in the speech he gave Thursday (he also had some shout outs for unrelated events and people)?

Or was that part of his “let’s not rush to judgement” remark?

Even without knowing specifically WHY he did it, was there even a comment that it was WRONG for him to lash out against his fellow soldiers that way?


22 posted on 11/09/2009 2:15:35 PM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
Haven’t there been a couple of such “bombs” in NY planted by leftists over the last 24 months and they have attracted virtually ZERO attention.

I don't know.

The leftists who had firebombs and planned to use them while at the RNC Convention in 2008 were prosecuted and convicted all with NO media spotlight (it was strictly covered as a local story, no wire service coverage).

There was also prosecution and conviction of those who plotted to kidnap Republican delegates at the 2008 convention. Again with NO national news attention.

The Pravda Media lies by omission.

23 posted on 11/09/2009 2:18:32 PM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Just think how many more lives could be saved if more doctors were shot - you want to issue a “clarion call” for that?

I’m appalled that people are finding reasons to justify first degree murder or show casual acceptance of it: “I don’t have a problem with it.”

That isn’t the way to stop abortion, waiting for schizophrenic losers off their meds to go shootin’. That’s not a sign of how strong the movement is, but how weak.


24 posted on 11/09/2009 2:20:05 PM PST by LussaO
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To: AppyPappy
Rudolph bombed the Atlanta Olympics.

Bill Ayers bombed the Pentagon. Let's not be judgmental about bombers.

25 posted on 11/09/2009 2:24:50 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: Former Military Chick

No question that Roeder stopped or at least delayed the abortions scheduled to be committed by Tiller. It is conceivable that at least some of the so-called mothers reconsidered or simply could not find another abortionist.

I wish Roeder luck with this strategy.

Unfortunately, less immediate effects of the Tiller assassination are not all salutary. Pro-life movement as a whole, for example, will have to defend itself against accusations of lawlessness.

Further, targeted assassinations like that are simply not a workable strategy. The abortionist is a hired hand. The principal murderer in an abortion is the “mother”. Effective defense of the unborn is therefore in contradicting the culture of death that the government promulgates, and in reaching out to the mothers. Outlawing abortion and punishing the abortionists is, of course, an enduring goal, but the focus on the abortionists as the principle evil is misguided.


26 posted on 11/09/2009 2:25:19 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Former Military Chick

Scott Roeder has confessed to the shooting of a Kansas abortion provider.

The 51-year-old Kansas City man told The Associated Press in a telephone call from jail Monday that he plans to use the so-called necessity defense at his trial.


He should plead guilty, period. He did what he did and he had his reasons, not he needs to plead guilty and ask for no quarter from the justice system.


27 posted on 11/09/2009 2:27:30 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a jerk. Proceed with that in mind.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

While I am personally opposed to killing abortion doctors, I don’t think it is right to impose my beliefs on others.


The saddest thing about that statement is that it is too long for a bumper sticker.


28 posted on 11/09/2009 2:29:09 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a jerk. Proceed with that in mind.)
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To: annalex

You provide concise thoughts on this subject, in particular the after shock for the pro life movement, who do not support the action’s of a person breaking the law to prove a point, in particular murder.

Did the action’s save the unborn, I would think so, of course if one wants that service they can find another clinic.

To remind society that abortions while legal are taking of innocent lives, and that should be done in a legal and thoughtful manner.

The goal should be about changing the laws, and then when laws are broken hold those accountable.


29 posted on 11/09/2009 2:31:59 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Please pray for our troops as they selflessly serve in harm's way say an extra one for my beloved!)
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To: Sloth

I don’t remember Big Sis coming out and warning the The Pro-abortionists about backlash against Pro-lifers...

But she is doing it with the Muslim Terrorist Hasan, Our country is imploding.


30 posted on 11/09/2009 2:32:56 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (I will not be silenced so I guess I will see you in the gulag.)
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To: Grunthor

Yep, liberals hate having their idiotic “logic” turned around on them.


31 posted on 11/09/2009 2:37:02 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: Neoliberalnot

“While I am personally opposed to killing abortion doctors, I don’t think it is right to impose my beliefs on others.”


I was going to recommend that you make that your tagline, but I see that you’ve got a keeper already.


32 posted on 11/09/2009 2:40:56 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican
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To: Former Military Chick
Lee Thompson, attorney for the Tiller family and executor of his estate, has said allowing such a defense would “invite chaos and be tantamount to anarchy.”

I think the official, gold-embossed invitation to chaos and anarchy was the Roe v. Wade decision. Now all three branches of government feel free to ignore the law of the land on a daily basis. Actions have consequences.

33 posted on 11/09/2009 2:42:16 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: A CA Guy
This guy sure didn’t murder as God approved IMO.

Claiming to know the mind of God is a bit presumtuous, don't you think? "Thou shall not kill" doesn't leave room for exceptions, mortal.

34 posted on 11/09/2009 3:14:41 PM PST by Kowdawg
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To: OrangeHoof
The jury won’t be allowed to consider this defense.

You mean a jury of his peers which should be 12 pro-lifers.

35 posted on 11/09/2009 3:14:56 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Former Military Chick

“abortion provider” ????


36 posted on 11/09/2009 3:30:21 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: The Sons of Liberty

true. At this moment there’s probably cuddly babies sucking pacifiers being held in grandmother’s arms that would have been mutilated.

Meanwhile, Tiller’s body is providing nourishment to earthworms and other species useful to our ecology.


37 posted on 11/09/2009 3:44:23 PM PST by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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To: Kowdawg

My point is God doesn’t approve of murder exactly as you stated.


38 posted on 11/09/2009 4:09:04 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Former Military Chick; xzins; P-Marlowe
Roeder contends the killing of George Tiller in May at a Wichita church was justified to protect the lives of unborn children.

I quess now the big questions will be whether a judge lets him put on this defense and if he will have a jury trial. I know if I was on this jury I would have a very hard time saying guilty.

39 posted on 11/09/2009 4:10:45 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Former Military Chick

The goal is changing the law and also changing the culture. You cannot separate the two.

If, hypothetically, abortion remained legal but American people uniformly viewed abortion as murder and abhorred it, we’d be 90% done.


40 posted on 11/09/2009 4:11:46 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Former Military Chick

< If one wants that service, they can find another clinic >

* * * * * *

There are about 500-2000 of these late term abortions, depending on how you tweak the factors. Going by Tiller’s rate, one doctor could handle that in a year, and the pro-aborts HAVE that one doctor, the one in Nebraska. Anyone here calling for shooting him?

That is the best strategy, going about it in a thoughtful manner. Otherwise you’re justifying and excusing murder with the best of them (the moral relativists).


41 posted on 11/09/2009 5:07:39 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Former Military Chick

He should have yelled “Allahu Akbar” before killing.

The left would have a hard time not defending him… or it would at least send them in a tailspin trying to figure out where they stand.


42 posted on 11/09/2009 5:31:10 PM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: Neoliberalnot

Why call them abortion DOCTORS? Real DOCTORS take an oath AGAINST Abortion! Let’s call these ABORTIONISTS. I remember when the US Supreme Court said you COULD NOT require Abortionists to be Doctors, because that would infringe on women’s rights to have abortions!! LOL. Unbelievable, but TRUE.


43 posted on 11/09/2009 5:32:35 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Former Military Chick

The SECULAR “Courts” do NOT want him to be able to PRESENT any defense, much less this one.


44 posted on 11/09/2009 5:34:15 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: Let's Roll

You put that VERY concisely, yet ELOQUENTLY!


45 posted on 11/09/2009 5:35:52 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: OrangeHoof

They just need a lawyer to PRESENT it...MAKE the case to the jury, BEFORE being muzzled by the bailiffs and hustled off to the Democratic Gulag!


46 posted on 11/09/2009 5:38:27 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: TigersEye

Good point! Hussein Obama’s friend!


47 posted on 11/09/2009 5:40:10 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Just as in the OT.

Exodus 1:15 And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one [was] Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah:
Exodus 1:17 But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive.
Exodus 1:18 And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive?
Exodus 1:19 And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women [are] not as the Egyptian women; for they [are] lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them.
Exodus 1:20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty.
Exodus 1:21 And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.

How many children were saved by obedient midwives in the OT?

48 posted on 11/09/2009 7:17:09 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I don’t think there is any question that there is a deterrent effect.


49 posted on 11/09/2009 8:43:52 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: LussaO

“I’m appalled that people are finding reasons to justify first degree murder or show casual acceptance of it: “I don’t have a problem with it.””

Observing the deterrent effect doesn’t necessarily mean anyone is justifying it.

I think the violence of the Earth First group against animal testing deters animal testing, too. That doesn’t mean I think they are doing a good thing.


50 posted on 11/09/2009 8:46:30 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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