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AP : Public option is dead
Hot Air ^ | November 08, 2009 | ED MORRISSEY

Posted on 11/09/2009 1:58:28 PM PST by RobinMasters

Nancy Pelosi may have been all smiles on Saturday, but the difficulties encountered in her full-court press on the ObamaCare bill will only get worse, the AP reports this morning. The AP declares the public option dead, thanks to skeptical Democrats, and Joe Lieberman pledges to stop the bill from coming to the floor with one included. The LA Times concurs:

House approval of legislation Saturday — even if Democrats can move it no further — was an accomplishment that has eluded presidents for decades. But the close vote and the exertions it took to secure a majority were laden with warning signs as the issue moves to the Senate.

Even though the House is a bastion of liberalism, the healthcare overhaul was a tougher sell than expected and the bill turned out to be more conservative in its price tag, more limited in the scope of its government-run insurance option and tighter in its restrictions on abortion funding than many Democrats had hoped.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; democrats; doa; obamacare; pelosi; publicoption; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 11/09/2009 1:58:28 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; traderrob6; OL Hickory; socialismisinsidious; trlambsr; Altera; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 11/09/2009 1:58:56 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

It ain’t over ‘til the ‘fat lady sings’. And I mean SINGS....her heart out.


3 posted on 11/09/2009 2:00:40 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: RobinMasters

No, this is the media sucker play. Tell Conservatives they won to get them to back off the pressure while the arm twisiting goes on in the Senate.

Until the votes are signed sealed and counted, this PO is still alive


4 posted on 11/09/2009 2:01:12 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Note to the GOP: Do not count your votes until they are cast.)
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To: RobinMasters; nutmeg

Can we take this to the bank? (This will probably be the only thing I may ever take to the bank again.....)


5 posted on 11/09/2009 2:01:20 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: RobinMasters

It ain’t over until 2010, when we throw out the bums, traitors, thiefs and crooks.


6 posted on 11/09/2009 2:01:36 PM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only fish go with the flow!")
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To: RobinMasters
"But the close vote and the exertions extortions it took to secure a majority were laden with warning signs..."

There... fixed it.
7 posted on 11/09/2009 2:02:00 PM PST by LIConFem
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To: RobinMasters

believe no-one.

ever.

this is never dead.

They could slip this into some obscure bill later


8 posted on 11/09/2009 2:03:48 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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To: RobinMasters

A.P.
Affirming Pelosi.


9 posted on 11/09/2009 2:03:51 PM PST by COUNTrecount (Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither)
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To: RobinMasters
Here's hoping, because far more than 2 Dems will vote against the house bill if it doesn't have a public option, so maybe this will be the death knell.

There's really something wrong with government when I have to root for paralysis and gridlock.

10 posted on 11/09/2009 2:03:58 PM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: SolidWood

Absolutely! Pelosi and here socialist comrades declared war on our free markets and on our Constitution.


11 posted on 11/09/2009 2:05:33 PM PST by orinoco
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To: stanz

The media said it would never pass the house.


12 posted on 11/09/2009 2:06:01 PM PST by Marie (remember, remember, the fifth of november...)
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To: RobinMasters

It is not dead until we drive a stake through the ObamaCare Soylent Green bill.


13 posted on 11/09/2009 2:06:50 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: RobinMasters

Smokescreen so we will take our eyes off the ball. The head fake in football........please remember to keep your eyes on his belt buckle....he can’t go anywhere without his middle. WE MUST STOP this ‘Reform’ that will bankrupt our country.


14 posted on 11/09/2009 2:07:09 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: RobinMasters
That's right Conservatives, you can now go back to your lives and pay no more attention to the man behind the curtain... Fat chance chuckleheads
15 posted on 11/09/2009 2:07:14 PM PST by GunningForTheBuddha (*Racecard* Expr: 01/20/2009)
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To: domenad
There's really something wrong with government when I have to root for paralysis and gridlock.

Sometimes I think that is the best you can hope for, regardless of which party controls Congress....

hh
16 posted on 11/09/2009 2:07:40 PM PST by hoosier hick (Note to RINOs: We need a choice, not an echo....Barry Goldwater)
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To: Marie

Winner!


17 posted on 11/09/2009 2:08:56 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Beneath this mask there is an idea, Mr. Creedy, and ideas are bulletproof. V for victory)
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To: RobinMasters
Don't be fooled by the giant Kabuki dance that's going on for the benefit of the rubes and the manipulation by media players like AP. First, there will be a tremendous amount of posturing in and around the Senate about what's in, what's out, etc. The Senate bill, when initially passed will not have the public option in it. However, all the dirty work will be done in the House-Senate conference. Abortion-funding will be put back as well as the public option. When it comes out of conference, it goes right to the floor for a vote in the House and Senate. Those votes will happen in the dead of night. The dems will use reconciliation in the Senate if they have to to pass it with a simple majority. Who knows what other rules they will toss out to ram it through.
18 posted on 11/09/2009 2:11:34 PM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer (Obama: Gozer the Destructor)
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To: RobinMasters

Nancy Pelosi!....you ignorant slut!


19 posted on 11/09/2009 2:12:49 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: RobinMasters

P O is not dead. Leftist Sentors are tasked to revive it.

There will be a battle royal in the Senate.

And the Dems are sending forth their tentacles to use all the smut they have collected on each Senator to force their vote.Blackmail vote is now being organized.


20 posted on 11/09/2009 2:14:12 PM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: Marie

That’s what I fear....being overly confident.


21 posted on 11/09/2009 2:14:32 PM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: RobinMasters

I’ll believe it when I see the wooden stake sticking out of its black, evil heart...


22 posted on 11/09/2009 2:16:23 PM PST by redhead (They are running SCARED, folks! :o) Check out the Halfbaked Sourdough at mukluk.wordpress.com)
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To: MNJohnnie
bump

No, this is the media sucker play.
23 posted on 11/09/2009 2:16:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Right.
AP psyops.


24 posted on 11/09/2009 2:25:47 PM PST by caddie
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To: RobinMasters

Kill the whole bill.

The public option can easily be added later once you’ve breached the constitution. Once you’ved imposed federal control over the entire industry, there is no barrier to anything they want to do.

Kill this bill, or watch them steam roll any and every industry they set their sights on.


25 posted on 11/09/2009 2:26:42 PM PST by marron
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To: RobinMasters
"AP : Public option is dead"

Déjà vu: Same sh!t, different CongressCritters...

26 posted on 11/09/2009 2:32:11 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: RobinMasters
It won't matter if a public option is in the final bill. If anything gets passed and signed into law, we will eventually have not only a public option, but it will be the only option.

There are so many mandates placed on insurance companies in this bill, (remove pre-existing condition exemptions, require a whole host of services be covered, end pricing policies based on the buyer's health history, etc.,) that after a few years there will be no insurance company left that will offer health insurance. Then in steps Uncle Sam with the Medicare for All option.

27 posted on 11/09/2009 2:33:21 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: RobinMasters

gee, these guys are just now getting around to saying what I’ve been saying for months: The dim party is too broad and diverse, both politically and geographically, to pass the legislation.


28 posted on 11/09/2009 2:38:50 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Frantzie

29 posted on 11/09/2009 2:40:08 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

Rush said don’t fall for it. it is not dead. This is a fake out. Lindsay Graham-nesty saying it’s dead - yeah I believe him.


30 posted on 11/09/2009 2:47:27 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: Bobkk47

Rush said don’t fall for it. it is not dead. This is a fake out. Lindsay Graham-nesty saying it’s dead - yeah I believe him.


31 posted on 11/09/2009 2:47:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: RobinMasters

Time to turn up the hear on the Senate.


32 posted on 11/09/2009 2:58:23 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: GeronL

Yep, they want you to believe it’s DOA so you don’t ‘pester’ them with your irate calls, emails etc.


33 posted on 11/09/2009 3:01:45 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: Frantzie
Rush said don’t fall for it. it is not dead. This is a fake out. Lindsay Graham-nesty saying it’s dead - yeah I believe him.

This bill IS dead.

The abortion issue will kill it in the House if it is stripped from the bill.

The Public option will keep it bottled up in the Senate.

34 posted on 11/09/2009 3:04:44 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: SolidWood; All
It ain’t over until 2010, when we throw out the bums, traitors, thiefs and crooks.

Great post in a thread of great posts. BTTT!

35 posted on 11/09/2009 3:08:42 PM PST by PGalt
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To: RobinMasters
Same old crAP

Next they'll be telling us Pelosi never used Botox....pure BS

36 posted on 11/09/2009 3:11:51 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (That smell of death...be seeing ya big casino)
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To: MNJohnnie

Amen, never weaken, don’t stop fighting until the battle is well and truly over.


37 posted on 11/09/2009 3:18:07 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: fortheDeclaration
This bill IS dead.

I tend to agree, but then again I thought that it was not going to make it out of the House. So my track record is not that good. :-)

This has been a huge strategic mistake by Bam, Nancy, Harry etal. They are over reaching, there is little public support for what they are doing and even if it passes it can be “undone”. All this has served to do is energize the Conservative base big time, VA and NJ as well as upstate NY are clear examples of this.

Senators know this, and so far they have not be as willing as the House to commit political suicide by supporting this grotesque piece of legislation. It will be after the first of they year before this gets anywhere, it is difficult to imagine these guys want to be talking about the bill in March of 2010 with the election a few months away.

Plus Harry is scared to death about his seat next November, he is not going out on a limb for Bam.

If the Demos want to go down this path, then they are fools and will get what they richly deserve.

schu

38 posted on 11/09/2009 3:20:39 PM PST by schu
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
It ain’t over ‘til the ‘fat lady sings’. And I mean SINGS....her heart out.

It ain't over until Obama and the Dems are out of office.

I remember the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. We thought it was dead at one point, but Clinton used every trick he had to get it passed.

Same deal with this. Obama's "street cred" is riding on this passing. He will do ANYTHING he has to do, to get it passed.

39 posted on 11/09/2009 3:23:52 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

What people don’t understand is, they will change it until they find the combination that will win the 51 votes it needs to pass. They may even trick one of the surrender sisters from Maine to give it that one republican bipartisan look they like so much. Once they do that, it goes to committee. They’ll tell everyone they have done xy and z in committee, then demand a vote. No paper no proof, just vote. Then they will get it passed by saying anything they need to say. Once they get that job done, they will actually write the bill Obama really wants and have him sign it into law.

There will be many politicians shrugging their shoulders saying, I didn’t see that in the bill or I would have voted against it. But it will be too late since it will already be law. That is why there is no way this thing should pass the Senate no matter what they say they have done to the bill.


40 posted on 11/09/2009 3:29:39 PM PST by Waryone (II Chronicles 7:14)
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To: schu
Itend to agree, but then again I thought that it was not going to make it out of the House. So my track record is not that good. :-)

It wouldn't have made it out of the House had not the Democrats let the anti-abortion language in it, which only delayed the Bill getting killed later.

This has been a huge strategic mistake by Bam, Nancy, Harry etal. They are over reaching, there is little public support for what they are doing and even if it passes it can be “undone”. All this has served to do is energize the Conservative base big time, VA and NJ as well as upstate NY are clear examples of this. Senators know this, and so far they have not be as willing as the House to commit political suicide by supporting this grotesque piece of legislation. It will be after the first of they year before this gets anywhere, it is difficult to imagine these guys want to be talking about the bill in March of 2010 with the election a few months away.

I completely agree.

The Bill would have had to pass by almost 400 votes in the House for the Senate to seriously consider it.

As it was, even with the anti-Abortion language, it barely made it.

If the Bill is changed in anyway, by removing the Abortion language it will fail.

If the Abortion language is taken out, it will fail.

This initial vote was just to cover Pelosi and Obama, so they wouldn't look like total failures.

Plus Harry is scared to death about his seat next November, he is not going out on a limb for Bam.

I don't see it either.

And the longer the Bill sits in the Senate, the less likely it will see the light of day.

If the Demos want to go down this path, then they are fools and will get what they richly deserve.

Yes, just as Clinton did.

Only this time, our GOP leaders better have some real backbone, not like Dole and Newt.

41 posted on 11/09/2009 3:31:32 PM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: RobinMasters
AP : Public option is dead

Sounds a little too confident for me - the RATS are absolute MASTERS at deception. AND the RATS will keep their propaganda ministers in the Jurassic media spinning what a 'HISTORIC TIME THIS IS TO PASS SOCIALISM HEALTHCARE DURING THE FIRST YEAR OF THE FIRST ARAB-AMERICAN PRESIDENT'S TERM. Just watch - you will amazed what we hear from Jurassic media in the next two months.

My estimate, no matter how painful this is, that the man-child will sign Obamacare bill before Dec 24, 2009, with the help of all untrustworthy RATS and probably with a few 'bought-off' RINOs.
42 posted on 11/09/2009 3:33:54 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Let's Roll
Yep, they want you to believe it’s DOA so you don’t ‘pester’ them with your irate calls, emails etc.

BINGO - they have told the media to spin this so that Tea Parties will back off.
43 posted on 11/09/2009 3:39:41 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: RobinMasters
House approval of legislation Saturday — even if Democrats can move it no further — was an accomplishment that has eluded presidents for decades.

I think that's wrong. I think HillaryCare passed the House in '93.

44 posted on 11/09/2009 3:48:38 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: domenad
There's really something wrong with government when I have to root for paralysis and gridlock.

Nothing wrong with you. That's the way the system's been set up by the Founders. They made it hard to "get things done" for a reason.

45 posted on 11/09/2009 3:51:30 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The Bill would have had to pass by almost 400 votes in the House for the Senate to seriously consider it.

You are correct, all the gyrations and back room deals they needed to pass this thing make it unsellable to the Senate IMHO.

I am not quite sure what Bam and Nancy are thinking about, they are a bit myopic in trying to force this thru. Nancy is clearly tone deaf, Bam just does not care, power and adulation are what he seeks.

schu

46 posted on 11/09/2009 4:42:47 PM PST by schu
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