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Chief Red Cloud to Obama: Black Hills are not for sale
Atlantic Free Press ^ | 11-9-09 | Brenda Norrell

Posted on 11/09/2009 6:37:49 PM PST by SJackson

Chief Oliver Red Cloud, Lakota, issued a statement to President Obama requesting a meeting more than two weeks ago and is yet to receive a response. Chief Red Cloud, 90, told Obama the Black Hills are not — and have never been — for sale

September 13, 2009
The Honorable Barack H. Obama
President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


Dear Mr. President:

I am the Itancan (chief) of the Oglala Lakota Band of the Great Sioux Nation and Chairman of the Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council, the traditional governing body of the eight bands of the Lakota Nation.

The Lakota Nation entered into and has always abided by the provisions of the Fort Laramie Treaties of 1851 and 1868. However, the United States of America has repeatedly violated and unilaterally attempted to abrogate the Treaties in violation of accepted international standards and codified international treaty law.

The Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council, acting under the guidelines of Article XI of the U.S. Constitution, reaffirms its declaration of inherent authority as a separate and distinct entity from the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act Government of the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the Interior Department of the United States Government. The Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council is committed to upholding the 1851 and 1868 Ft. Laramie Treaties and will employ its' inherent authority to decision making and leadership to protect the integrity of, and our rights in these treaties.

The I.R.A. Government acts as an extension of the United States and carries out its orders.
Your office has sent a mandate to Lakota Bands to initiate a dialogue concerning the Black Hills Land Claim Settlement. How can the United States Government negotiate with I.R.A. Governments, which is an extension of itself?

It is necessary to issue this statement due to current discussions between I.R.A. Tribal Presidents, regarding the United States Governments' Supreme Court action to award monies for the illegal taking of the 1851 and 1868 Ft. Laramie Treaty Territory and other Treaty violations.

We forever oppose the acceptance of any money for our sacred lands.

We recently met with U.S. Senator John Thune's staff to discuss our frustration with the I.R.A. Governments blatant disregard for our inherent authority over treaty issues.

I am 90 years old now. I have spent the better part of my adult life fighting for the return of our sacred He Sapa (Black Hills). I want to create something better for the next seven generations.
I would like to meet with you as soon as possible to address our concerns. Please have your staff contact my administrative assistant, Natalie Hand at (605) 867-5762 (605) 867-5762 , for scheduling.

Sincerely,
_____________________________________________
Chief Oliver Red Cloud
/nnh
Cc: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
U.S. Senator John Thune
U.S. Senator Tim Johnson
U.S. Congresswoman Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin
U.S. Department of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1851; 1868; blackhills; ftlaramie; ftlaramietreaties; lakota; oglala; oliverredcloud; redcloud; rockyraccoon; sioux; thune
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No disrespect to Chief Oliver Red Cloud, but General McCrystal's report predates your request. Be patient. He'll get around to everything in good time.
1 posted on 11/09/2009 6:37:50 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Chief Red Cloud is obviously a racist.


2 posted on 11/09/2009 6:42:09 PM PST by smokingfrog (Well, are you gonna draw those pistols or whistle Dixie? Spit!)
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To: SJackson
Good luck and Godspeed Chief.

I'm sure there might be able to meet zero out on the links somewhere.
3 posted on 11/09/2009 6:43:03 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: SJackson

Obama will make it up to him later with a shout out and an award he didn’t really get.


4 posted on 11/09/2009 6:43:57 PM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: SJackson

God bless the Chief!

I wish him Gods speed and the greatest of luck in his endeavors! He and his Nation deserve it!


5 posted on 11/09/2009 6:45:50 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: SJackson

Chief Red Cloud wants Obama to give them back the Black Hills?
I would say no.


6 posted on 11/09/2009 6:46:58 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Chief Red Cloud wants Obama to give them back the Black Hills? I would say no.

I would too, but it's not clear to me exactly what the issue here is.

7 posted on 11/09/2009 6:48:09 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson

The focus in general upon tribal reservations of late is curious to me.

Somebody doesn’t like the idea of independent entities within the continental United States, imho.


8 posted on 11/09/2009 6:49:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SJackson

I guess the shoutout didn’t help. Poor Bambi. Everyone disrespects him.


9 posted on 11/09/2009 6:49:40 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: SJackson

The Chief and his people must endeavor to persevere ...


10 posted on 11/09/2009 6:50:20 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: SJackson

Can anyone clarify exactly what the US Government is asking of the Lakota? I don’t blame them for wanting to hold onto their own...


11 posted on 11/09/2009 6:50:37 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Speak the truth, right the wrong, and follow the King. Tennyson)
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To: SJackson

I think the Indians have long wanted the Black Hills. They probably think Obama is their best chance in years to make any progress.

But I will defer to others with more expertise in the issue.


12 posted on 11/09/2009 6:51:13 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: SJackson; Rushmore Rocks; DakotaGator

Ping.


13 posted on 11/09/2009 6:51:17 PM PST by LucyT
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To: SJackson

Bfltr


14 posted on 11/09/2009 6:51:29 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SJackson

Deadwood and the Homestake gold mine are in the middle of the He Sapa. Now what? Well, good luck Chief.


15 posted on 11/09/2009 6:51:39 PM PST by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: SJackson
I will guarantee that Cheif Red Cloud would indeed patently wait in line, if Obama was actually bothering to handle his duties as commander in chief. American Indians have a long history of service in the US military.

As for the claims.. The US is never going to reinstate the Fort Laramie treaties, and the offers to settle the claim with payment is probably the best that will ever come out of the Obama administration, or likely any administration. The reason being that if they recognize the Fort Laramie treaty terms, and comply with them, they'll have to de-recognize quite a few tribal governments, and that's just not going to happen.

His only real hope is that the various tribal committees vote to make themselves subservient to him, in regards to treaty issues, especially the Fort Laramie treaty, and give him full negotiating powers for the Black Hills claims. Funny thing is, as much as US politicians enjoy campaign contributions from American Indians, they, themselves, don't feel so constrained by restrictions on political contributions, nor open bribery. The various councils would want to get paid off to give him the power, and the only way he could get the money to bribe them would be in accepting the settlement money, which would also end the claim.

It's just really too late, and yet another promise is broken.

16 posted on 11/09/2009 6:54:24 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

It was theirs in the first place.


17 posted on 11/09/2009 6:54:51 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: ArmyTeach

It sounds to me as if some very old treaty violations, with lands taken, are at issue. The Chief appears concerned over the potential precedent created by any attempt at monetary settlement, hence the very firm declaration that their lands are not for sale.

There’s a lot of something going unsaid here, but that’s my quick take on it.


18 posted on 11/09/2009 6:55:10 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SJackson

19 posted on 11/09/2009 6:55:13 PM PST by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: muleskinner

Also Mt. Rushmore, that monument to evil white men.


20 posted on 11/09/2009 6:55:29 PM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: LucyT

As much as I respect the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota tribes, they are not getting my 40 acres in the middle of the Black Hills.

Times change, and they must with them.


21 posted on 11/09/2009 6:57:58 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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To: SJackson

In 1776 the Sioux defeated the Cheyenne in war and took the Black Hills from them.

About 100 years later the US did the same to the Sioux.

Why does the first conquest confer legitimate title and the second doesn’t?


22 posted on 11/09/2009 6:59:08 PM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: smokingfrog

Lakota theology in general has everyone getting along in the end. They have moral arguments (IMO) for the terms of the 1868 treaty, but the legalism gives the advantage to the USA. I have long thought that the settler portions that were passed after the last hostilities were the weakest portions of the US’s case and apparently so does the government since the USDA has a program that reverses the land claim issue with low interest loans for Indians to reclaim reservation land. My advice to the Indians, move on after securing property rights.


23 posted on 11/09/2009 6:59:15 PM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: HereInTheHeartland; muleskinner
Tribal leaders ready for Obama meeting. Apparently Bill Bradley suggested we return 1.3 million acres of federal land to the tribes back in the early 80s.

In the mid-1980s, New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bill Bradley proposed that the U.S. government return 1.3 million acres of federal forests and unoccupied park lands in the Black Hills. The idea went nowhere with Congress, but Obama's overture in Sioux Falls has created a renewed optimism.

They still have to wait their turn in line after General McCrystal.

24 posted on 11/09/2009 6:59:35 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: piasa

Some would say the entire US was; but that’s a long argument. I am not giving up my home.


25 posted on 11/09/2009 6:59:58 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: SJackson

Having Obama invite you to the White House is like getting invited to a slumber party by Jeffrey Dahmer.

I knew he was gonna shaft the Indians.


26 posted on 11/09/2009 7:01:57 PM PST by bvw
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Chief Red Cloud wants Obama to give them back the Black Hills? I would say no

The Black Hills are still legally theirs, by legal treaty.

Typical, illegal machinations by the gov't doesn't change that.

Indeed, MUCH more land, from the Canadian border to the southern, sill legally belong to the Native Americans - by our own treaties and Supreme Court rulings.

Not that they are honored by dishonorable politicians.

And now the gov't owns hundreds of thousands of peoples homes across America - through forced bank loans and Fanny and Freddie - Loans people couldn't really afford. They they - the gov't - deliberately deep sixes the economy - tens of thousands of homes go into bankruptcy and the so-called stimulus bill was supposed to avoid that. Guess what. None of that money went for that. Now the gov't owns the mortgages - which they will now take over and they are planning on letting the people RENT their houses from the gov't. Results, the go'vt is about to become the biggest landlord in the country. This has been the plan all along.

Do you think all those homes will EVER go back to private ownership? Hint: Under Marxism, the gov't owns everything.

i.e., we are all about to experience what the Native Americans have.

Enjoy your serfdom.

27 posted on 11/09/2009 7:05:11 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: SJackson

“I am 90 years old now.”

More incentive for Zero to procrastinate.


28 posted on 11/09/2009 7:06:48 PM PST by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Those “independent entities” would be a place from which some to ask for asylum, would they not?


29 posted on 11/09/2009 7:06:48 PM PST by madison10
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To: listenhillary

That’s an old picture. The monument is way beyond that stage now.


30 posted on 11/09/2009 7:07:12 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Those “independent entities” would be a place from which some could ask for asylum, would they not?


31 posted on 11/09/2009 7:07:17 PM PST by madison10
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To: fish hawk

I wouldn’t know as I didn’t pay to get in when I went. I think it was almost twelve years ago since I was up that way.


32 posted on 11/09/2009 7:09:48 PM PST by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Sherman Logan

Let me guess: because the US gov. signed a treaty with the latter “ as long as the grasses grow and the rivers flow”. But of course everyone knows that the Gov. is a liar and it’s subjects don’t give a damn.


33 posted on 11/09/2009 7:10:47 PM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: maine-iac7

No one was forced to buy a home or get a mortgage


34 posted on 11/09/2009 7:11:21 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: SJackson

Chief Red Cloud as you know Barack Obama has been given the honor of being titled “Chief Walking Eagle” please address him this way from now on.

(The walking eagle is so full of crap it cannot fly.)


35 posted on 11/09/2009 7:13:23 PM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: SJackson
I would too, but it's not clear to me exactly what the issue here is.

Baaken oil

36 posted on 11/09/2009 7:14:34 PM PST by fso301
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To: madison10

Oh, they could be quite the thorn in the side of an authoritarian central government.


37 posted on 11/09/2009 7:15:44 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: fish hawk

38 posted on 11/09/2009 7:18:10 PM PST by hellbender
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To: sailor4321
The Chief and his people must endeavor to persevere ...

I reckon so.

39 posted on 11/09/2009 7:21:55 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: SJackson

40 posted on 11/09/2009 7:27:16 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: missnry
... The walking eagle is so full of crap it cannot fly ...

LoL!

41 posted on 11/09/2009 7:28:19 PM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: RegulatorCountry
IMHO; I don't like the idea of every "band of mission indians" in California and elsewhere having it's own casino(s), under tribal laws, no even on their own land, with which to fleece the "other" neighbors and escape taxes and gaming regulations that even the Mafia has to recognize.

Have a sit down with your local indian sometime - it's big bucks.

Apart from THAT, and probably much of the cause for that, the rest of us have such a lame understanding of the people who got here last before us, that everyone should be embarrased..."red faced" if you insist.

The Sioux and the USG must eventually settle the Black Hills question - I'm sure all the original settlers are sitting on pins and needles waiting for an answer.
Of course, we could just sit on it until the UN decides to step in and set us all straight (they could you know).

And, yes, of course the concept of autonomous regions - or sovereign tribes (not "bands") - sounded good when the tribes and the feds were trying to build a means of dealing with each other but it isn't real comfy to a 21st century national entity that seeks to avoid non-conformity while preaching diversity.

There are a given number of tribes who have codified rights and agreements with the US Government. Right or wrong, these were born in the clash of wills bvetween nations, and they should be honored and administered in good faith by both parties.
(Novel though that concept may be.)

42 posted on 11/09/2009 7:33:02 PM PST by norton (B)
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To: piasa

“It was theirs in the first place.”

Really? Do they have a deed?


43 posted on 11/09/2009 7:35:45 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: norton
(I actually intended to post a vaguely humorous item based on
"I am the Itancan (chief) of the Oglala Lakota Band of the Great Sioux Nation and Chairman of the Black Hills Sioux Nation Treaty Council, the traditional governing body of the eight bands of the Lakota Nation".
Sorry about that.)
44 posted on 11/09/2009 7:38:14 PM PST by norton (B)
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To: norton

Here in FLorida they’ve built huge casino’s in the middle of residential areas. They bribed the Gov (Crist) to get an illegal agreement allowing vegas style slots.

Agreement has been tossed but they continue working to undermine the state govt.


45 posted on 11/09/2009 7:44:55 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sailor4321

And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.


46 posted on 11/09/2009 7:45:16 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Page 73, Johnson, Navin)
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To: SJackson

Chief Red Cloud, welcome to the Secessionist Movement!


47 posted on 11/09/2009 7:49:47 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
I think the Indians have long wanted the Black Hills

They have always owned the Black Hills - and still do, by legal treaty. the United States Constitution Article 6 states; Treaties are the law of the land

It's the gov't that has 'long wanted ' them .

The gov't left the Black Hills, by treaty, to the Indians, as they considered the lands not worth much.

Then, oops, thars gold in them thar hills!

Ever since, the gov't has used evey machination and false claim they can conjure to take the lands - even claim to own it. BUT THEY DO NOT.

There are still SOVEREIGN Native American lands inside the country - like the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) Confederacy (the Six Nations Confederacy: Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Senaca and Tuscarora of upper New York State. They are in almost constant battle - sometimes all out battle with barricades, guns etc - to maintain their rights.

They travel the world on their own legal passports = not US passports, etc.

Neither N.Y. state nor the US gov't has ANY jurisdiction over them. Not that they don't constantly try.

The Lakota are in the process of reestablishing their sovereignty over several reservations - including the Black Hills lands - to form a confederation = they are establishing their own banks, their own energy company, etc.

Citizenship would be open to all. They, too, plan on having their own passports. Their form of gov't: a confederation that would respect the libertarian principles of posse comitatus and caveat emptor, would offer "individual liberty through community rule," and would collect no nationwide taxes - and the economy on the gold standard.

In other words, based on the form of gov't they had before the Europeans came...and is still practiced by the Six Nations.

Sound familiar? Sound like the original set up of the U.S.?

It should. When the Founding Fathers were trying to come up with a foundation for the new country, they had no experience with a free government OF THE PEOPLE. They called upon the leaders of the Six Nations and counseled with them in Albany - We owe much of our form of gov't to the Six Nations. It's all in our history, all documented, but ignored loudly.

HOwever, I hope the Lakota are successful. We may just need another 'country' to escape to in the near future.

48 posted on 11/09/2009 7:50:20 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: kingu
American Indians have a long history of service in the US military.

Indeed. Long and proud.

49 posted on 11/09/2009 7:51:51 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: listenhillary

I pray that gets completed.

What an incredible undertaking - quite a story

50 posted on 11/09/2009 7:55:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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