Posted on 11/09/2009 6:38:04 PM PST by DBlake
The American Family Association, a conservative Christian group, has published an article on its website calling for Muslims to be barred from military service. It it is time to stop the practice of allowing Muslims to serve in the U.S. military.
all for it
Why stop there? Ban muslims in America.
Good idea. Let’s start with the CIC.
It’s a great idea. Not that it’ll gain traction, but it’s a great idea.
Personally, I could get behind a ban on Muslims from LIFE.
Bad idea...we welcome all soldiers willing to fight for our country....what needs to be done is what FBI and CIA are supposed to do...thourough background checks....hey you got friends in Alqueda , its a no go....right now we are so lax with security checks.
Conservative Christian Group? Who...i love the way they throw that around....Who? And really only the military can decide.
Me thinks we can do without them.
We have plenty of Converts on the Ground in Iraq and Afghan.
We need to limit to American loyal Muslims......converted Via Freedom......not Coverted via Terrorist loyalties.
Get em all out and start with the Imam In Chief!
And please, let's start with our POTUS...and throw out Pelosi and Reid just for fun...oh, and Rangle just because.
Unconstitutional. American citizens have rights, which should be defended, no matter what. That is why we must be exceedingly careful whom we allow to become citizens.
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Works for me. Now when will Congress bar any more Muslim immigration? How many of us are going to have to die before Congress gets around to barring any more Muslim immigration? Congress? Congress? Crickets.
We are importing them in faster than Chinese products.
You would figure with a WOT, and us fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, that we wouldn’t allow them in, but we are.
So we fight them overthere so we can import them in to fight them over here.
Friend in New Orleans told me some 25,000 will be living there in the next three years. All from Iraq.
We never learn.
I call for a ban on ALL religious fanatics in the military. If only our armed forces were as aggressively secular and nationalistic as the upper echelons of the Turkish armed forces...
Well said...if you don't believe in God (our God) then you don't believe in our country.
Many people do not remember what was required once upon a time to get into this great country...You could seek sanctuary from the U.S. if your country did what to you?
If they can’t be banned then they should all be put in one company where they can be watched.
No, but certainly those who spout jihadi sentiments as Nidal did.
Only if one considers Islam to be a religion.
I do not.
I’d say it’s unamerican to ban them from the military or the US but that implies that you’re doing something against AMERICANS or someone who want to be AMERICAN. But when you have a subset that doesn’t ever want to be American, doesn’t want to assimilate then I don’t consider it unamerican. I bet most muslims consider themselves to be muslims first then their country of origin then maybe American (i.e. “I’m a muslim from Jordan now living in the US.”). There’s no loyalty, no trust there.
Doing a background check gets you squat. Hasan became extremist AFTER he was in the military. So does the military start doing revolving security checks on EVERY single member of the military every other 6 months? How feasible is that?
Odd, I went to their website, and they had an article AGAINST it......
Obviously people in favor of such an idea have never lived among them.
Hell, they have less in common with each other in every way imaginable than, say, “Christians”. Unless they came from the same tribe in the old country, they usually don’t have anything in common with people who also immigrated to this country.
Granted, there is a problem w/ a branch of Islam that is bent on militant change. Unlike the Palestinians of the 1960’s and 1970’s, they don’t seem to have any real goals other than to take as many people as they can to the grave. But then again, I can think of any number of groups and individuals from “Christian” countries that are nutso too.
I went to their website, and the article was actually against the idea....i linked to it in a post above.
Spoken like someone ignorant of true Islam (and no, I’m not trying to insult you).
Whether “moderate” or “extremist” all Muslims have the same goal... to turn Dar al Harb (the world at war) into Dar al Islam (the world that has submitted). One of the five pillars of the faith is charity. However, the only charity that counts is charity to other Muslims... and at least 95% of Muslim charities have been shown to support or encourage the extremists. In essence, Islam is a militant camp. The extremists are the operators while the moderates provide support functions.
Islam is also the foundation of Islamic culture, not just a religion. It is a political philosophy that demands subjugation to the religious authorities and you are either a Muslim or a dhimmi. As a dhimmi, you are a second class citizen entitled to none of the benefits of Muslim society and even your life may be forfeit to a Muslim without consequence.
Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western civilization and Muslims have no place in our fighting forces. They will practice “al Taqqiyah” (lying to the infidels to further the faith) to hide in our midst. Since any “good” Muslim must first side with his faith, they will play their part until called upon to act against their compatriots. We are better off recognizing the threat for what it is and removing the moles and sabateurs before they go “active”.
Are White Supremacists who openly express their views allowed the military? There’s your answer.
The article on their website is actually against the idea...Mother Jones lies.
Ban them? Maybe.
Or set up a security check regime that requires a check every 6 months for the signs of going off. This is noything new, the military has the ability to do security vetting like that, especially in time of war.
Awful idea. I think there are some very practical reasons why we need Muslims in the military. For one, you need Muslims on the ground to help communicate with the locals and help with intel. Secondly, we won’t be fighting Muslims forever.
Our next enemy could be... the Canadians for example.
I don’t think all Muslims are this radicalized. I would hope that many are Americans FIRST, and Muslims second. We had German-Americans fighting Nazis, Japanese-Americans fighting Hirohito. We we don’t want are treasonous soldiers whatever the stripe.
Foolish post. You would ban George Washington himself from service to our country!
No. We need to recognize the threat for what it is and stop with all of the moral equivalence, PC garbage.
Islam is a threat to the West. Period.
Christianity is foundational to the West. Period.
Fundamentalist extremism in either party does not bring equivalent outcomes. Period.
“I can think of any number of groups and individuals from “Christian” countries that are nutso too.”
You imply that there are christian threats around the world that are just as dangerous as islam.
List these christian groups and please be specific in how each one is identical to islam in their threats to the western world.
Thanks
Agreed!!! Conservative Cristian Group are having a rewrite of the Constitution.
The military isn’t allowed to decide except the perfumed political princes at the top. The rot of treasonous PCism is larded (no pun intended...) throughout the upper echelons of the military and their civilian overseers. The CIC is either a Muslim (as he has actually declared himself to be) or a Muslim running dog.
Any Muslim can easily lie, with piety, that he not radical.
There. Is. No. Way. To. Separate. Or. Distinguish. Between. “Good”. Muslims. And. Bad. Muslims.
I would not generally be counted (by Christians) as a Christian, but am a very conservative monotheist, and as long as there are Muslims in the military, or in the DHS, or in the FBI, or in the CIA, or in the White House, we are in danger, each and every day.
Fathers killing daughters for being too western - ya right.
Look you cannot be a muslim and be an American.
Muslim leaders have condemned the shooting by Hasan and distanced themselves from his ideals. Why then are we in the pro-life community not willing to extend the same courtesy that we asked for? The actions of one radical shouldn’t be enough to penalize the whole group.
As a pro-life activist I am disturbed by the prospect of being accused just as the murderer of George Tiller. Likewise, I find it abhorrent to punish all the brave Muslims serving in our military for the actions of a single radical.
Think for a moment if the tables are ever turned. What if several Christians were behind shootings? Would Christians call for Christians to be kicked out of the army?
Sounds like AFA had a pro/con debate on their website. One with a pro-kick them out view point and one with a con.
So how do you propose separating the “good” Muslims from the bad one who may go jihad any time? They all have to have a minder to make sure they aren’t saying/doing bad jihadi crap?
AFA had two articles on their website... kind of a pro-con debate.
Here is the link to the article referenced in theMother Jones article:
No More Muslims in the U.S. Military
Date: 11/6/2009 11:52:15 AM
by Bryan Fischer, AFA Director of Issues Analysis
http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147489388
starting with the complete vetting and investigative process for our presidential candidates and his "czars"
Serving in the military is a constitutional right? I don’t think so. It can be argued that we already place numerous restrictions on who can join the military in order to ensure the safety of servicemen and women. Those who are too old, too young, too criminally dangerous, too criminally liberal, those who are physically or mentally unfit.
“we won’t be fighting Muslims forever.”
So just how long have the muslims been at war with christians and jews and all non-believers?
Oh yeah, pretty much “forever”.
“Our next enemy could be... the Canadians for example.”
You can equate all of the followers of islam (singular goal of world submission) to a single unified country?
Last time I checked Canada, Norway, Spain, & etc weren’t actively involved in getting the world to submit to their views (by threat of death).
“Bad idea...we welcome all soldiers willing to fight for our country....what needs to be done is what FBI and CIA are supposed to do...thourough background checks....”
I’m normally in favor of religious liberty and our government not discriminating on the basis of religion. However, we need to consider the reality that, for no other religious group would we really have to consider doing background checks on all of them before allowing them to serve in our military. I think it would be an unnecessary burden on on domestic security apparatus to have to divert resources to doing that volume of screening, and it wouldn’t even be a complete solution.
Jihad is a part of Islam’s very nature, there is no avoiding that fact if you make an honest assessment of the religion. There’s no way to screen for those who, having no connections to terror groups, may suddenly decide to follow the Muslim religious obligation of Jihad on their own at some point in their life. At this point, I view them all as “ticking jihad-bombs” and think we need to treat them, not as a religion, but as a real threat.
The best analogy I can think of is the Thuggee cult in India. When faced with the reality of the situation, the British wisely didn’t let a desire for religious tolerance stand in the way of choosing the proper and pragmatic way of eliminating the threat they posed.
Your hope is unfounded. They are not.
We had German-Americans fighting Nazis
... but we didn't have Nazis fighting Nazis... yes, there is a difference. Just as now, we have Lebanese Christians fighting for their lives against Hezbollah. Nationality does not equal ideology.
Japanese-Americans fighting Hirohito.
Only those who were deeply vetted. As many as 120,000 Japanese Americans were interred in camps for OUR safety. Again, nationality does not automatically equal ideology. The problem with Islam is that it is a particular world-view at odds with western civilization (just like the Nazis... not Germans in general) .
Bad idea. Monitor them, have them prove themselves. Many American Japanese in WWII were admirable soldiers.
One, there are plenty of non-Muslims who speak Arabic or whatever local language.
Two, we won’t be fighting Muslims when they stop being Muslims. They started it, actually in 700 AD and have not stopped yet. And your inserting “Canadians” makes me really suspect that you are seriously misinformed - after all these years as a member on FR? How could that be?
Third, hardly any Muslims are Americans first. In fact, it’s part of their religious beliefs and practices NOT to be an American or anything first, it’s always Muslim first. I remember a couple of years ago a survey of young Muslim men, and something like six out of ten thought suicide bombers were good guys, or something like that. Muslims are a class apart. You either are woefully ignorant or something else.
“we won’t be fighting Muslims forever.”
So just how long have the muslims been at war with christians and jews and all non-believers?
Oh yeah, pretty much “forever”.
I forgot to add:
They’ve been at war with us since the creation of islam itself....a lot longer than we’ve been at war with them. We have some catching up to do. So I guess you’re alright with the US and your grandchildrens’ grandchildren doing that catching up?
Stupid moral equivalence that can't look reality in the face. A Christian who murders for his faith is an isolated event (such as anti-abortion killings). Can you say the same about Islam with a straight face? Here's a question, when a Christian goes off half-cocked, does his pastor frown upon his choice or rejoice in it? What about the Imams?
We need to use common sense and if we see something that needs to dealt with then that needs to be done and not avoided because someone will be offended.
There would have to be a large number of monitors.
And here’s the real kicker - Hasan did have monitors! They knew he was contacting AQ! They knew he espoused Koranic principles of slaying infidels - he made it public! They knew he preached Islam to the soldiers he was “treating” for PTSD! ANd more!
And not an effing thing was done.
At this rate, the only way to keep a Muslim out of the military would be if he showed up with a sword, holding a bloody severed head of an infidel.
Why not accept the fact that SOME Muslims have no place in the military. The Army hasn’t got that far, yet.
Good idea.
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