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FBI blew off killer e-mail to al Qaeda: Officials admit shrugging off gunman's e-mails to Qaeda
NY Post ^ | November 10, 2009 | JOHN DOYLE and CHUCK BENNETT

Posted on 11/10/2009 3:11:44 AM PST by Scanian

The FBI knew for nearly a year before his murderous Fort Hood rampage that psycho Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had repeatedly contacted al Qaeda -- but the blundering agency last night admitted it dismissed the lead.

The clueless G-men said that at the time, they simply chalked up the chilling e-mails between Hasan and a radical imam and other terror-tied Islamic figures to his "research" as an Army shrink.

Outraged congressional leaders immediately called for a probe into the debacle -- and the red-faced agency vowed to get to the bottom of things itself.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; aulaqi; hasan; nidalmalikhasan; terrorists

1 posted on 11/10/2009 3:11:45 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

December 2008. How convenient for Obama. Blame Bush.


2 posted on 11/10/2009 3:16:24 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (You better HOPE you end up with more than a little CHANGE in your pocket when he's finished.)
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To: Scanian

The same f.b.i. who knowingly allowed an innocent man to go to jail for murder for decades to protect the true murderer.
That murderer was an informant.\
The same f.b.i. that covers up the real happenings when muslim terrorists blew up the Murrah building? Tyhe same f.b.i. the covered up the moosies taking down that airliner over n.y.?
Yeah, I have lots of confidence in the f.b.i.
Is the current head wearing ladies clothes like the founder?


3 posted on 11/10/2009 3:16:24 AM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: Scanian
The clueless G-men said that at the time, they simply chalked up the chilling e-mails between Hasan and a radical imam and other terror-tied Islamic figures to his "research" as an Army shrink.

Who do they think he is, Pete Townshend?

4 posted on 11/10/2009 3:16:37 AM PST by Dahoser (The missus and I joined the NRA. Who says Obama can't inspire conservatives?)
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To: Scanian

Please tell me this is satire. Because if it isn’t, we are more screwed than we thought.


5 posted on 11/10/2009 3:16:39 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Scanian

Anyone thinking the FBI is a professional, elite, caring proactive law enforcement agency, must have missed the outright murder of Vicky Weaver and her son. The “Warsaw ghetto” destruction at Waco, and the proven instances of outright criminal manipulation of evidence in cases against citizens. It doesn’t matter if a R or a D is in the White House either, it is NOT a top notch institution.


6 posted on 11/10/2009 3:19:20 AM PST by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Scanian
re: the blundering agency

The same blundering agency that refused to listen to one of its own agents who wanted to investigate the curiously high number of flight students out West who wanted to learn to fly and navigate but had no interest in landing.

The same blundering agency that ignored the man who walked into its NY office before 9/11 and told them he was one of two dozen men who were being trained to hijack airliners and crash them into buildings in America, but had changed his mind.

7 posted on 11/10/2009 3:21:14 AM PST by jwparkerjr (Sara Palin Must Go! to the white house!)
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To: runninglips

And here I thought the government’s only legitimate role is to protect its citizens. Silly me. Now I realize that the government’s real role is to perpetuate problems so that it can expand to “solve” them.


8 posted on 11/10/2009 3:22:27 AM PST by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: Scanian

Hadn’t Obambi already set up his President Elect office? Kind of hard to blame Bush when Obambi was showing everyone who was the boss.


9 posted on 11/10/2009 3:25:38 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Scanian

According to F&F this morning, the FBI also passed this information along to Army Intel, which, in turn, blew it off...

When did an active-duty member of the Armed Forces attempting to contact the enemy become *not* treason??


10 posted on 11/10/2009 3:26:30 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Scanian

What is amazing about this is that that liberal morons that came up with this “diversity” crap will not be held accountable for all the dead soldiers.

What is worst is that they same morons in the government will not change policy. So what is going to stop the bad guys from doing this again. Unbelievable!


11 posted on 11/10/2009 3:27:39 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: fivecatsandadog
How convenient for Obama. Blame Bush.

Well he wasn't on Bush's DHS transition team. And I'm going to post that information every chance I get.

HASAN WAS ON OBAMA'S DHS TRANSITION TEAM. Hoekstra said this Administration is REFUSING to release information relevant to the investigation.

12 posted on 11/10/2009 3:31:27 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Scanian

my super secret sources say the white house knew about it and did nothing about it and allow it to happen


13 posted on 11/10/2009 3:34:17 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: gorilla_warrior

If you have a chance to read “Unintended Consequences” you will be even more jaded about the Federal Govt. It is the “Atlas Shrugged” of gun lovers. It is a pseudo-history, weaving the past reality into a future possible event. It is free online lots of places.


14 posted on 11/10/2009 3:41:36 AM PST by runninglips (It was just time for this to come to a head.....)
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To: Scanian

It’s now woefully apparent that there are a bunch of spooks and Army generals who have American blood on their hands.


15 posted on 11/10/2009 3:42:33 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: ought-six
Rare? No.

It's not all the fault of the singular individuals, but more like an organizational, cultural thing.

16 posted on 11/10/2009 3:42:36 AM PST by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: Scanian
We had better face it folks, we are a Country in decline. There is a true leadership vacuum. Until we weed out, throw out, and stamp out the Marxist forces at all levels of government, the lives of our families are severely at risk.

The time has long past to look the other way and be silent. We must, at all costs, enact term limit legislation, vote out the anti American Senators and Congressmen, and ferret out any civil servant who refuses to uphold our Constitution.

If we do not rise to this challenge, our Country is lost.

17 posted on 11/10/2009 3:47:16 AM PST by Shane (I'll keep my guns, money and freedom, you can keep the change.)
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To: Scanian

Research? Well that’s some weird research! How was this research supposed to help his patients?


18 posted on 11/10/2009 3:49:27 AM PST by EmilyGeiger (The problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Scanian
"It emerged that Hasan warned Army doctors 18 months ago that to avoid "adverse events," the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors. It's unclear whether anyone reported the briefing to counterintelligence or law-enforcement authorities, The Washington Post reported."

I'd have to agree with Hasan on this one. The military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors. I can't see that that would have prevented this terrorist from killing; he could easily move his destruction elsewhere, but clearly, those that follow Islam should not be serving in the United States Armed Forces. Why are they allowed to serve?
19 posted on 11/10/2009 3:52:07 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa of Calcutta.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

IMO some senior Army heads need to roll - they can start with either the Secretary or the Chief of Staff, it doesn’t matter which. PC Gone Wild .....


20 posted on 11/10/2009 4:07:00 AM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Scanian
911 Atrocities ….. Abledanger ignored … Walls ignored … check
Terrorist receives training from same Imam that trained 911 terrorists. ... check
FBI informed of Hasan. They did nothing except have a laugh with Whitey Bulger of the same gang .... check
Terrorist worked for DHS Obama Transition team. Tip-of-iceberg-Alert ... check
Terrorist showed signs for YEARS at the Army. Everyone laughed, did nothing but invest in beheading knives ... check
Terrorist gives medical lectures in the Army on beheading Jews and Christians. Everyone laughed, high fives him. The lectures are discussed everywhere. ... check
Terrorist continues his training from the very same Imam that trained 911 terrorists. ... check
Terrorist told everyone what was coming. They did nothing but cheer him on. Better gun, sir? ... check
Terrorist obtained penetrating bullets. Flight school, sir? ... check
Terrorist determined locus of maximum humanity. Handy access to Everything. Entry badge, sir? ... check
Terrorist poisons whatever vaccines, meds of dhimmis he can … Smiles to himself. ... check
Terrorist gave away Koran and said goodbye. Typical Islamic pre-bomb jjparty at whorehouse. ... check
Terrorist poses with others embedded and elsewhere. Pictures taken and hidden for the memories . ... check
Terrorist used Army connections to enter locus. Everyone smiled . ... check
Terrorist screamed "Allah is great" ... check
Terrorist murders at least 14 in cold blood for Islam ... check

US and MSM coverup begins. Target: Conservatives, real reporters, Anyone demanding answers.
21 posted on 11/10/2009 4:12:17 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Scanian

That is the SECOND time the FBI has endangered this country. Remember the clue about flying lessons that were ignored? That was the FBI as well. These people are either total incompetants or they are evil.


22 posted on 11/10/2009 4:15:37 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: mlizzy

Washington had this problem from time to time during the Revolutionary War, and it was always resolved by making the parties involved swear oaths of allegiance to the United States over their presumed other interest. If they refused, they were out. Same thing should be done here. Does anyone in the US Army read military history?


23 posted on 11/10/2009 4:23:40 AM PST by caddie
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To: caddie
Everyone who enlists in the military takes that oath. Doesn't mean much it your word is worthless. For the Islamists, taqiyya overrides the oath.

And our president and congress swear or affirm a similar oath, but it obviously means nothing to most of them.

24 posted on 11/10/2009 4:32:41 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: Scanian

I am as outraged by Hassan as anyone else but what exactly were they to actually DO?

Put him in protective custody because he might maybe be violent?

Would we stand for that? Would we condone that?

People here blow off all the time and make what could be considered “threats” IN RETROSPECT. People do so at the KOS and anywhere else.

Sometimes crap happens and you are not going to stop it unless you want the jackboot of government on your own neck.

I just don’t know how his “warning” signs were truly actionable.


25 posted on 11/10/2009 4:39:39 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: Scanian

LOL!! Blame BUSH!! The FBI and the CIA were COUP Plotters AGAINST Bush!!


26 posted on 11/10/2009 4:43:04 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

The whole chain of command in the FBI should be fired..the head of the CIA should be fired. We need to hold these people accountable for finding terrorists before they strike.


27 posted on 11/10/2009 4:47:34 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Scanian

bump


28 posted on 11/10/2009 4:49:09 AM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: McGavin999

Federal Bureau of Incompetence
Federal Bureau of Ideology
Federal Bureau of Illusion
Federal Bureau of Intractability
Federal Bureau of Idiocy

Today’s FBI. Choose your poison.


29 posted on 11/10/2009 4:54:36 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: littleharbour
Funded But Incompetent
30 posted on 11/10/2009 5:00:03 AM PST by The Louiswu (001100101000101011100101000100111110001010100001010101 if you can read that you are a computer)
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To: Scanian

There’s a great picture in that article of the killer. It was taken just hours before his rampage. He’s all dressed in him Muslim clothes. I wish I knew how to capture it to post it here. Amazing.


31 posted on 11/10/2009 5:10:20 AM PST by Shannon
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To: Scanian

I had the misfortune of working briefly with the clowns at the FBI back in the 1990s. If the moron I talked with is typical of the FBI, we are in deep trouble. It concerned an eco-terrorist cell. He was a politically correct leftist with zero intelligence to see the evidence right before his eyes.

The trial and conviction of the bad guys we tried to finger to the FBI exonerated us and shined the light of complete incompetence on the fools running the Midwest FBI.

This is not your daddy’s FBI. The FBI in the Northwest is excluded from my criticism. They were professional, well educated and inquisitive.


32 posted on 11/10/2009 5:21:09 AM PST by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Scanian

“and the red-faced agency vowed to get to the bottom of things itself.”

So we can vet any information getting out that would embarrass us.


33 posted on 11/10/2009 5:37:31 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Scanian

It was learned that President Obama would have to sign the death warrant if Hasan is convicted and sentenced to execution. That’s what President George W. Bush did last year in another case; the defendant remains on death row.

MR. President will you promise today that you will sign the death warrant if Hasin is found guilty?

Everyone in the military needs to see him do this.


34 posted on 11/10/2009 5:40:38 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Scanian

Our intelligence services have some seriously delusional, political correct, and sheer stupidity idiots in their ranks. Bet.


35 posted on 11/10/2009 5:53:15 AM PST by cranked
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

36 posted on 11/10/2009 6:00:51 AM PST by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: Shane
We must, at all costs, enact term limit legislation, vote out the anti American Senators and Congressmen, and ferret out any civil servant who refuses to uphold our Constitution.

That's going to be very difficult since they control the MSM and the vote fraud machinery and any attempt to undo their control will be met with instant, hysterical screams of "racism!" The system that used to allow "we the people" to do all those things you list no longer works.

37 posted on 11/10/2009 6:07:50 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("If you cannot pick it up and run with it, you don't really own it." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: jersey117
Hoekstra said this Administration is REFUSING to release information relevant to the investigation.

If this is in fact true....and a muslim terrorist has attacked our military and is being defended by the administration, it is only a matter of time and we are over as a nation. GOD HELP US!

38 posted on 11/10/2009 6:14:48 AM PST by pollywog ( It's Saturday ~~~ But SUNDAY'S A COMING'!!!!)
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To: Scanian

The 9/10 mentality is not Bushes fault. It is pure Democrat. They crippled us before 9/11 with the Gorlick Wall. Bush dismantled it. They grew it back.


39 posted on 11/10/2009 6:17:40 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Adder
I just don’t know how his “warning” signs were truly actionable.

It has been reported that this person actually was contacting the enemy (al Qaeda). If that's not a violation of the rules, we might as well surrender right now. It pains me to say this, but at this point I am not sure I would feel comfortable if my son or daughter decided to serve in the military. Political correctness in the military has cost the lives of thirteen soldiers. If one of my children had been murdered because the Army and/or FBI was afraid to act, I guess I would have to do what I would have to do.

40 posted on 11/10/2009 6:38:17 AM PST by CodeJockey (If you can read this thank a teacher, if you can read it in English thank a Soldier.)
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To: CodeJockey

Man, I agree.

I am just not aware of what the emails were about. That IS pretty damning.


41 posted on 11/10/2009 6:52:56 AM PST by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09!)
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To: Shane
Until we weed out, throw out, and stamp out the Marxist forces at all levels of government, the lives of our families are severely at risk.

Agree completely. We can start with the CIC.

Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him?

42 posted on 11/10/2009 8:37:46 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: caddie
Swearing an oath of allegiance would do no good for two reasons. First, a Muslim can lie to an infidel with the blessing of Allah. Second, here is the oath taken from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services site. Notice especially the last couple of paragraphs about not having to say certain things if it is "against your religious training or beliefs".
The oath of allegiance is:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."

If USCIS finds that you are unable to swear the oath using the words “on oath,” you may replace these words with “and solemnly affirm.” If USCIS finds that you are unable to use the words “so help me God” because of your religious training or beliefs, you are not required to say these words.


43 posted on 11/10/2009 8:48:05 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Uncle Ike
When did an active-duty member of the Armed Forces attempting to contact the enemy become *not* treason??

When we're not in a declared war. It may well be some other crime, but legally it isn't treason.

44 posted on 11/10/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by JoeFromSidney
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To: Scanian
Here is an exceptional article dealing with the deadly domestic threat we now face - and it's not just murderous Islamists.

If you haven't yet read it, please do so...

The Left and Terror

45 posted on 11/10/2009 12:19:19 PM PST by Gritty (It's no longer a game. People will die because of actions taken by this country's leftists-JR Dunn)
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To: Gritty

Thank you...I read that the other day and wanted to post it but Neverdem beat me to it - he is very big on AT also.

Good article!


46 posted on 11/10/2009 3:30:16 PM PST by Scanian
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To: gorilla_warrior

bingo!


47 posted on 11/10/2009 10:06:40 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: Scanian

He’s not a gunman, he is a terrorist on a jihad.


48 posted on 11/11/2009 5:40:18 AM PST by SQUID
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