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Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists
CBS News ^ | 11/10/09 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 11/10/2009 9:55:57 AM PST by Nachum

In a case that raises questions about online journalism and privacy rights, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a formal request to an independent news site ordering it to provide details of all reader visits on a certain day.

The grand jury subpoena also required the Philadelphia-based Indymedia.us Web site "not to disclose the existence of this request" unless authorized by the Justice Department, a gag order that presents an unusual quandary for any news organization.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bds; dept; duplicate; foxnews; indymedia; justice; liberalfascism; lists; socialists; visitor

1 posted on 11/10/2009 9:55:58 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The List, ping


2 posted on 11/10/2009 9:56:54 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

3 posted on 11/10/2009 9:59:08 AM PST by cranked
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To: Nachum

Looks like this was on Bush’s watch. Not good.


4 posted on 11/10/2009 9:59:11 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Nachum

well that "enemies list" may well be over
60% of the US Population / Voters

5 posted on 11/10/2009 10:01:21 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: Nachum

Indy media is as far left as one can get. Wonder what they were looking for from 2008?


6 posted on 11/10/2009 10:01:39 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Blogger

Bush is NO longer PREZ.


7 posted on 11/10/2009 10:02:52 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Nachum

Do I have this right?

When I log onto FOX new or they are required to turn over a list of when I view their news?

Of if I have a subscription to Human Events, they must turn over a list of readers that log in to their website on a certain day?

If this is correct, it is OUTRAGEOUS!

That violates my privacy and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT.


8 posted on 11/10/2009 10:02:57 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Nachum

Scary stuff.


9 posted on 11/10/2009 10:03:53 AM PST by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Nachum

Realize that this administration doesn’t recognize the existence of the United States Constitution. Never has. Never will. It, like us is just astroturf and teabags.


10 posted on 11/10/2009 10:04:52 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: nmh
Do I have this right?

No. Apparently they were looking for something specific from June 25, 2008 on the VERY liberal indy media. Maybe a threat?

11 posted on 11/10/2009 10:04:55 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Blogger

“Looks like this was on Bush’s watch. Not good.”

No.

It is OBAMA that is behind THIS.

He doesn’t like media that talks AGAINST him, even when it is true NEWS and accurate.


12 posted on 11/10/2009 10:05:57 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: DJ MacWoW
“Apparently they were looking for something specific from June 25, 2008 on the VERY liberal indy media. Maybe a threat? “

Then why isn't the CIA or the FBI issuing a subpoena for the information for specific reasons?

13 posted on 11/10/2009 10:08:02 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hope FR does not keep logs for very long. If the data does not exist, it cannot be seized.


14 posted on 11/10/2009 10:08:52 AM PST by gunnut
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To: nmh
You want them to do their JOB?!

The story is short on facts. Whatever they were looking for was from June 25, 2008. And you can't get farther left that indy news.

15 posted on 11/10/2009 10:10:50 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Blogger

The Subpoena was dated January 23, 2009 and Holder is named in the article.


16 posted on 11/10/2009 10:11:48 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: DJ MacWoW; All
No. Apparently they were looking for something specific from June 25, 2008 on the VERY liberal indy media. Maybe a threat?

From the referring page:

Did any of you actually go to the web site and see what all of the hubub is about? Didn't think so. The person in question isn't a journalist. He replied to a story about activists who are against the construction of I69 in Indiana. He's a terrorist, who has (in this post) threatened people with physical violence, including family and children of private workers involved in the project, as well as admitting to taking part in an act of intimidation against a private firm. He included details that would implicate him.

As always; the biggest hole in any civil rights case is the defendant.

Here's an excerpt of what he said; If you do not head this warning, we look forward to seeing you again. Next time perhaps we will go to your homes, childrens daycares, churches or wherever else you may happen to turn your back. We'll be watching you. We are fighting for our lives while you are greedily gaining dollar bills and further domination and exploitation.

Today in Evansville, Indiana, resistance is growing to fight against the capitalist wet dream called I69. We visited the office of Bernardin- Lockmueller and Associates, who are responsible for planning the entire supposed route for the interstate. Seeing as they've been targeted before, we attempted to enter with a nicely dressed decoy. However, their fear took hold of them and they immediatly pushed our comrade out and locked the doors. So we banged on windows, and shouted at them through the intercom. In the commotion a window was smashed. Which is nothing compared to the destruction that i-69 will cause, but perhaps gave our enemy a taste of the terror they force daily on the earth.

Read it yourself; http://indymedia.us/en/newswire/2008/6.shtml

And then ask yourself if you really think there's legal protections in place to prevent prosecution of this individual. Name the Constitutional Right that is being violated here.


17 posted on 11/10/2009 10:12:26 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: nmh

We can begin looking there ourselves. If you are taking flack you are over the target. Never seen a bunch of hard nosed news junkies with the will to chase things down like this bunch.


18 posted on 11/10/2009 10:13:09 AM PST by halfright (My presidents picture is in the dictionary, next to the word, "rectum".)
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To: Nachum
I heard this on the radio this morning.

Snippet: "The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on."

Question: How would that site have your SS# Bank account number etc;?

It seems like I just recently went there via another link.

19 posted on 11/10/2009 10:13:49 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Nachum; All
Here is the article in question:http://indymedia.us/en/2008/06/32113.shtml
20 posted on 11/10/2009 10:14:46 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: frogjerk

What is the “referring page”? Thanks.


21 posted on 11/10/2009 10:15:20 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: happinesswithoutpeace

This came under Acting AG Mark Filip, who was sworn in on January 20, 2009. I wonder who else was sworn in that day? I wonder... .

Clearly this was Obama’s watch. Some leftie sites are trying their best to tie this to Bush, but they can’t.


22 posted on 11/10/2009 10:15:47 AM PST by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: Spunky

With things like that they sometimes just ask for anything and everything regardless of whether a site would have that info.


23 posted on 11/10/2009 10:15:55 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: Nachum
"...formal request to an independent news site ordering it..."

This phrase seems completely illogical.

24 posted on 11/10/2009 10:15:59 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: hampdenkid

The referring page is the original posting. See my post#20 for more info about the crazed left-wing nutjobs.


25 posted on 11/10/2009 10:16:41 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: frogjerk

I kinda thought it must be something like that because it was about Indy. The Subpoena asks the woman that runs the website to testify on Feb 24, 2009.


26 posted on 11/10/2009 10:16:41 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW; nmh

I don’t think this has anything to do with politics.


27 posted on 11/10/2009 10:16:57 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: frogjerk

lol everyone proxy chain up if you go over there.


28 posted on 11/10/2009 10:17:44 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: ChuckShick

thx


29 posted on 11/10/2009 10:18:43 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: Perdogg

See post 17. It was a threat.


30 posted on 11/10/2009 10:19:27 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Nachum

5th posting

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;q=quick;s=Justice%20Dept.%20Asked%20For%20News%20Site%27s%20Visitor%20Lists


31 posted on 11/10/2009 10:20:05 AM PST by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: DJ MacWoW
And if she is running a Linux based system IP addresses of the people who contact the website will most likely be logged in the /var/log/httpd directory (Which may be on a tape backup of the entire system somewhere.)
32 posted on 11/10/2009 10:21:05 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: listenhillary

Yup. And look at all the people that missed the other 4 times.


33 posted on 11/10/2009 10:21:11 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Nachum

bumping a #5 repost lol


34 posted on 11/10/2009 10:22:27 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: frogjerk

Am I understanding the story correctly, that the US District Court may NOT get the info in order to track down the threat?


35 posted on 11/10/2009 10:22:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Blogger
Looks like this was on Bush’s watch. Not good.

The letter from EFF to the Justice Department stated that the subpeona was dated 1/23/2009 and received 1/30/2009. So it was sent when Obama was President, but whatever investigation is going on started earlier.

36 posted on 11/10/2009 10:23:37 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Any similarity between V and the Obama admin is just that of Obama and any other totalitarian regime)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Bump one of the other threads if you want someone to see the story.


37 posted on 11/10/2009 10:24:22 AM PST by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: listenhillary

I never saw the other threads. Not all of us can sit here all day reading.


38 posted on 11/10/2009 10:29:35 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Am I understanding the story correctly, that the US District Court may NOT get the info in order to track down the threat?

Thats what it looks like to me. Basically, the FEDs mucked up the subpoena process and they showed their hand. Now the website folds their hand and gets to play another hand.

They seems to have had a legitimate request but their incompetence botched the case. Sounds like the FEDs to me!

39 posted on 11/10/2009 10:29:44 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: KarlInOhio
So it was sent when Obama was President, but whatever investigation is going on started earlier.

So, basically under Obama the investigation was botched.

40 posted on 11/10/2009 10:30:55 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: All; Nachum
I knew I had recently gone to that site. Yesterday I happened to take a look at the Memorial Wall on Freerepublic Homepage. I went to Major Galloway's homepage. He was a special freeper and committed suicide early this month (so they say it was suicide.)

"Here is a Snippet from his homepage addition. I have just a few samples of the left (this time from Indymedia) either rejoycing in US soldiers dying (the SGT Hassan Ackbar act of treason), "protest" signs calling for the death of US Soldiers, or detailed threats against soldiers and our families.

http://homepage.mac.com/cfj/.Pictures/shoot-officers-sf-031503.jpg Zombietime Photos LGF Archive "Or this one from Indymedia in 2004. This was an actual article at thier site. This seems to be the dominate face of the modern "progessive" left. Text included below:

"Military Targets in the USA must be Attacked" by al-masakin — Thursday, May. 06, 2004 at 7:13 PM The torture of Muslim prisoners in Iraq in the “rape rooms” at the American Abu Ghraib prison confirms that the so-called American war on terror is really a war on Islam. George Bush has created a global gulag network of extra-legal and secret US prisons with thousands of inmates. This Gulag stretches from Afghanistan to Iraq, to Guantanamo and secret CIA prisons around the world. This Gulag exclusively holds Muslim prisoners."

"In light of these revelations, Al-Masakin would like to take this opportunity to remind the American Muslim Mujahedin, and our allies in the revolutionary and anti-Imperialist left, that ROTC buildings, armed service recruiting centers, individual military personnel, and police officers are “military targets”. These institutions must be violently and covertly attacked."

In fact, there are thousands of unarmed military targets walking around all over the United States. Outraged American citizens and American Muslims should have little difficulty making violent contact with recruits, cadets, marines, etc.

"We strongly recommend that such contact be made with a very sharp knife, pepper spray, brass knuckles, baseball bats, firearms, explosives, or the bumper of a full sized automobile, truck or SUV."

Link: Link to Indybay

"This idiot above caused enough of a concern for US troops and our families that it made the Ft. Benning news."

41 posted on 11/10/2009 10:35:43 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: frogjerk

The subpoena says US District Court Southern District of Indiana. It also names Task Force Officer Joel A Arthur, FBI, Indianapolis. The woman didn’t have to appear. She could give the documents to him. Guess she didn’t.


42 posted on 11/10/2009 10:35:53 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Perdogg

“I don’t think this has anything to do with politics.”

Then how come Obama and his gang are constantly bashing FOX news?


43 posted on 11/10/2009 10:46:15 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: frogjerk
So they are concerned about this, but not what was posted on Indymedia before.

See my posting at #41.

44 posted on 11/10/2009 10:46:20 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“You want them to do their JOB?!”

Aren’t they getting PAID to do their job?
Hey, if you want to PAY me, I’ll do it. If this is about terrorism, I’m a patriot and the amount of work, wouldn’t scare me away from the job.

“The story is short on facts. Whatever they were looking for was from June 25, 2008. And you can’t get farther left that indy news.

True ... it just makes me more curious.


45 posted on 11/10/2009 10:48:31 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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