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Gore Urges Obama To Take Lead On Climate Change
NPR ^ | November 6, 2009 | NPR

Posted on 11/10/2009 5:39:44 PM PST by God'sgrrl

Three years ago, former Vice President Al Gore won an Academy Award for his documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, about global warming. But he hasn't given up pushing his cause: Now Gore has released a new book, called Our Choice: A Plan to Solve the Global Climate Crisis. more...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: algore; globalwarming; nobel; obama
NOAA: Third Coldest October on Record...
1 posted on 11/10/2009 5:39:44 PM PST by God'sgrrl
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To: God'sgrrl
former Vice President Al Gore won an Academy Award for his documentary

So did Michael Moore. Odd that they don't mention Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize.
2 posted on 11/10/2009 5:42:31 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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To: steelyourfaith

Gore Ping.


3 posted on 11/10/2009 5:43:45 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: God'sgrrl

Our Fearless leader can’t put his Face in Public anymore, without losing points in the polls due to his moving his Lips when he speaks in Public.

Ft. Hood, and no mention of the word “Terrorist”....Everyone knows but the President ?

Havard educated Stupidity.


4 posted on 11/10/2009 5:46:29 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: God'sgrrl

Our Fearless leader can’t put his Face in Public anymore, without losing points in the polls due to his moving his Lips when he speaks in Public.

Ft. Hood, and no mention of the word “Terrorist”....Everyone knows but the President ?

Havard educated Stupidity.


5 posted on 11/10/2009 5:46:34 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: God'sgrrl

Today I caught a bit of MSM drivel that said that each year we wait to tackle climate change will cost us another $500 billion. They may as well say $500 gazillion or $500 dollars even. I shudder to think how they made their calculation but it probably involves sea level rising more than the flat 1mm per year that it has been rising and all the real estate in Manhattan becoming worthless.


6 posted on 11/10/2009 5:46:49 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: God'sgrrl

Someone tell this pissant son of a bitch to just go away.

If any of you wits say “Which one?”....I’ll just respond: “Yes”.


7 posted on 11/10/2009 5:49:04 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: God'sgrrl
Poor algore...if only he had managed to carry his home state!

But seriously...Hussein would be wise to take algore’s advice.After all,latching onto the climate change sham has made algore a **breathtakingly** wealthy guy.Someday soon we just might be buying “carbon credits” from former President Hussein's “It's For The Polar Bears” LLC.

8 posted on 11/10/2009 5:49:58 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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“the natural preference for smaller families takes hold” bwahhhhhh


9 posted on 11/10/2009 5:51:27 PM PST by God'sgrrl (Stand up for the innocent.)
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To: God'sgrrl

Yea, that’s a great idea, concentrate on the absolute fraudulent notion of climate change that’s only relevant for the total destruction of our economy and never give a thought to the security of the United States.


10 posted on 11/10/2009 5:54:10 PM PST by Keflavik76
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Perfect match, Mr. Rogers and NPR.


11 posted on 11/10/2009 5:54:17 PM PST by God'sgrrl (Stand up for the innocent.)
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To: palmer

I notice from the book cover that the arctic is ice free but the neighboring land mass is snow covered. It shows to me that photoshop is no antidote for stupidity.

12 posted on 11/10/2009 5:54:53 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

hmmmm....I could swear you posted a few months ago to me that AGW global warming theory was valid. Did you change your thinking?


13 posted on 11/10/2009 5:59:29 PM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: palmer
Let's see, what else. The hurricane which is ok itself has giant bands photoshopped to the north and south. Hurricanes of the strength indicated by the symmetric eyewall have a large high pressure over them which would completely preclude those sloppy looking arms. The artist is an idiot.

Also there are orange swaths photoshopped onto california and the southern plains. Then there are white smoke photoshopped from parts of the orange swaths. The smoke wasn't done too badly, but there's lots of orange, especially in the southern plains with no smoke at all. Are those just glowing embers?

14 posted on 11/10/2009 6:03:10 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Gee I would have thought that he would have eaten himself into a heart attack by now.

Maybe he just looks fat when all it is is hot air.


15 posted on 11/10/2009 6:05:14 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: God'sgrrl

Gump never did believe this horse sh!t, He;s laughing at dopy Liberals.
Gump is selling and trading carbon credits. He’s getting RICH...


16 posted on 11/10/2009 6:05:55 PM PST by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: dennisw
I have always posted that CO2 causes warming. I have always posted that currently CO2 increases are primarily from fossil fuels. That volcanoes are irrelevant to any global warming or greenhouse gas discussion. That predicting weather has nothing to do with predicting climate, although modeling weather is critical.

I have argued these scientific facts and others to try to raise the argument away from pseudoscience towards coherent arguments against "catastrophic" warming.

17 posted on 11/10/2009 6:07:27 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: God'sgrrl

Do it Bam! One more thing to distract and make him weak.


18 posted on 11/10/2009 6:08:24 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Army Air Corps; Defendingliberty; Genesis defender; WL-law; Normandy; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Thanx !

 



Beam Me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 11/10/2009 6:11:46 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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To: God'sgrrl

Yeah. Take political advice from Gore. That’s a good idea.


20 posted on 11/10/2009 6:23:44 PM PST by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right...exercise...die anyway)
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To: RightOnline
Someone tell this pissant son of a bitch to just go away.

Someone tell this pissant son of a bitch to just go away.

(Bears repeating)

21 posted on 11/10/2009 6:26:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: God'sgrrl
“A Plan to Solve the Global Climate Crisis.”
That's easy. Declare CO2 a non pollutant. Problem solved.
22 posted on 11/10/2009 6:26:10 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: palmer

So your thinking is that man made CO2 emissions will not result in catastrophe but just minor temperature increases. All the computer generated climate modeling of the AGW crowd cannot account for the current ten year pause in global warming. They will not admit it but they are dumbfounded. They try to spin it away and start using phrases like “climate change” instead of “global warming”

To me their computer modeling is very flawed plus they are downright dishonest when it comes to revealing the raw supporting data for some of their pronouncements.

The most recent revealed scam had to do with the AGW people cherry picking which trees (Yamal tree ring affair) in Siberia to feed into their computers to get climate scare output
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/02/ross-mckitrick-sums-up-the-yamal-tree-ring-affair-in-the-financial-post/

Lots of the global warming propaganda was built on these specially selected Yamal tree rings. For ten years the AGW skeptics have been begging for the underlying data and it finally came out only because an honest scientific journal said the contributor Keith Briffa had to reveal his source material. And it turned out that Briffa got 800,000 British pounds grants the last ten years and that he was prejudicially selective as to which trees/tree rings he based his research on. IOW he is a charlatan who was paid well for his fraud

When the trees were neutrally selected (this year) no global warming was demonstrated


23 posted on 11/10/2009 6:40:41 PM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: dennisw
So your thinking is that man made CO2 emissions will not result in catastrophe but just minor temperature increases

Yes a slow steady small increase that is invisible amidst natural variation. The increase in warming from added CO2 diminishes as CO2 concentration increases.

I have followed the Briffa Yamal affair closely. It really is a travesty that he got away with such shoddy science in 1998-2000 and that his RCS construction got reused in so many places including IPCC documents without ever once having an independent check of the raw data used to make the RCS reconstruction. That is not science at all, but ignorant cutting and pasting. It didn't help that Briffa was the lead author on the IPCC approving his own work and its derivations.

24 posted on 11/10/2009 6:58:38 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
"I have always posted that CO2 causes warming."
Are you sure? The more research that is done shows the climate is less sensitive to CO2. After all, the real purpose of water, water vapor and cloud formation is to cool the earth's surface. The byproduct is an atmosphere temperature that allows us to live in. Just like a old swamp cooler in Arizona, not real efficient but does the job.
25 posted on 11/10/2009 7:15:27 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: palmer

Greatly appreciated. You are more knowledgeable on Briffa’s fakery than I am. And before Briffa you had Hansen and colleagues who would never reveal their raw data on the hottest years being recent years. When that raw data finally came out it was obvious they were lying and for what? To get more grant money? Because they are leftists in Al Gore’s and Obama’s camp?

The global warming scientists and researchers have amazed me. I was brought up learning that scientists were more honest and on a neutral quest for knowledge


26 posted on 11/10/2009 7:23:19 PM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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27 posted on 11/11/2009 12:38:03 AM PST by devolve ( . "I would caution you against jumping to conclusions!" - Barack Hasan Osama Junior - mmm mmm mmm)
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To: steveab
Yes, I am sure CO2 causes warming. Here's a chart from a skeptic site that shows some estimates:

The reason for the differences in the estimates is that some parts of the spectrum absorbed by CO2 are also absorbed by water vapor and there are differing interpretations of the effect of CO2 increases at high altitude (where the spectrum is not saturated).

the real purpose of water, water vapor and cloud formation is to cool the earth's surface.

You are absolutely right about sensitivity, climate is not sensitive to CO2 since as the chart shows, CO2 has reduced warming ability with increased concentrations (no matter which curve you choose). The purpose of water vapor is both to warm and to cool. It is highly nonlinear because too much in one area produces cooling condensation. Weather controls the distribution of water vapor and therefore the global climate. For example, concentrated convection dries the upper troposphere through subsidence (general areas of downdraft in response to strong local areas of convection). This causes global cooling. In contrast, diffuse convection causes global warming. It is likely that the many weather factors like concentration of convection are not sensitive to the slight warming of CO2 but to natural variations (solar, solar-magnetic, ocean cycles, etc) since those are often concentrated effects unlike CO2 which is diffuse.

28 posted on 11/11/2009 3:43:49 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer

The purpose of water vapor is both to warm and to cool.

NO. No. No. The creation of water vapor from water is to cool the surface of water. What water vapor does after that point is a byproduct that may warm or cool depending on which way the “wind blows”.


29 posted on 11/12/2009 7:21:14 AM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: palmer
“diffuse convection causes global warming. It is likely that the many weather factors like concentration of convection are not sensitive to the slight warming of CO2 but to natural variations (solar, solar-magnetic, ocean cycles, etc) since those are often concentrated effects unlike CO2 which is diffuse.”
Wait a minute. Doesn't CO2 get blow around? Doesn't water vapor cause some warming by diffuse convection?
30 posted on 11/12/2009 8:07:14 AM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: palmer

Not to mention the virtual disappearance of Costa Rica


31 posted on 11/12/2009 8:43:27 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: dennisw

Often, learning is brought about by the discovery that much of what you were taught is rot.


32 posted on 11/12/2009 8:49:33 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: steveab
I see your point, evaporation takes place at the ocean surface and cools the surface whereas the condensation (heat release) warms air aloft where the heat can escape. The two energy amounts are basically equal (conservation of water in the water cycle), but where they take place is important (and I didn't think about that). The total energy useed in evaporation and released in condensation is about 25% of the earth's solar energy budget.

About 45% of outgoing IR is absorbed in the atmosphere, mostly by water vapor. That represents less than 10% of the incoming solar energy. I intuitively thought the water vapor greenhouse effect involved more energy, but it doesn't. The bottom line is water vapor cools by evaporation at the surface (magnitude of 25% of the earth's energy budget), warms air aloft from condensation at the same magnitude, and warms air aloft by IR absorption (greenhouse effect) at about 10% of the energy budget.

The bottom bottom line is that "the purpose of water vapor" is a meaningless statement. From the above, water vapor warms on balance, but also from the above, increases in the water cycle cool on balance.

33 posted on 11/12/2009 9:28:51 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: steveab

CO2 mixes very evenly compared to water vapor. The non-mixing of water vapor is the whole reason that increasing the water cycle causes cooling.


34 posted on 11/12/2009 9:30:59 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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