Posted on 11/10/2009 5:50:48 PM PST by getitright
Let me first apologize for my laziness and ineptitude for not completing this assignment myself (although I just may), but here's the deal:
Wouldn't it be great to complile a collection of birth certificates for every U.S. president from George Washington through G.W. Bush and leave the screaming blank for Barack Obama?
On the one hand, it would be fantastic U.S. history. On the other hand, it would put a laser beam spotlight on the current fashion trend of annihilating U.S. history in favor of P.C./New World Order/Greenie Weenie/U.N.owned BULLSPIT.
I want to see it.
What a cool collection that would be. Are there images available for the real presidents? Might this be the most amazing way to bring the issue to light?
Real americans will relish the historical value. Anti-americans will squirm.
Some of the presidents, born on the frontier, may not have had birth certificates, or even baptismal certificates.
I suspect many of the early presidents wouldn’t have birth certificates and a few were born prior to the creation of the constitution and outside the country.
I personally would start with Bambi and work backwards, it might take years to complete. But with each passing Presidential BC from Bush back it would make a very compelling case.
But all the liberals will do is keep pointing to that pathetic COLB Bambi has trumpeted as proof he’s not from Proxima Centauri or Kenya, at this point to the left it really don’t make much difference.
Similar to when newspaper editorial boards submit questions to local candidates and print their responses, indicating those who failed to reply.
Great idea!
Nice idea.... but it might backfire.
The only other candidates/presidents who had to present theirs that I know of were Goldwater and McCain, so not sure how many others will be available. I also doubt that there will be many for births prior to 1900 or so.
I would like someone to buy space on a big billboard in Times Square and post GWB’s BC on one side, & a big white blank space on the other with a giant question mark on it.
You only need the ones who were born after the constitution was ratified. Alexander Hamilton for example, could have been president even though he was born in the west indies.
The government agency that pushed hardest for this provision technically wasn't a government agency. It was the Federal Reserve. (I don't know why unless I put on my tinfoil hat.)
Prior to 1924, some states maintained such data, and some states didn't. In certain states, some counties did and some counties didn't. It was all very spotty.
Prior to the 20th Century the only real way to gather birth, death and marriage information was the parish registry of a church.
I wish some folks would get a grip and get over this BC nonsense.
If video came out tommorrow showing his mom giving birth to him in Kenya, it wouldn’t make a bit of differance. He would still remain president until 2012.
Why not get worked up by what the guy is actually doing to our country?
I know this is probably old info, but it was new to me: factcheck.org has a copy of a “short form” birth certificate, not a COLB: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Gang, that’s close to what my official Ohio birth certicate looks like.
This is probably a better “primary document” than we could get for most Presidents in the early part of the 20th century, let alone before. Even if there are technical issues, we aren’t going to get anywhere with this.
That said, I still like the book idea.
Just wanna see it. That’s all I’m sayin’.
As a citizen of the United States, that is owed to me by the President of the United States.
If you don’t like that- butt out. As for me, I want my due. And by the way, thanks for nothing.
I’d like to see it - meaning the long form - too. The reality is that we won’t until the democrat socialists are out of power in Washington or Hawaii. Sad, but there it is. So I’m going to work on that (w/r/t Washington; Hawaii is as hopeless for conservatives as CA and Massachusetts).
That would have been roughly 300 years ago. Every day I am amazed at the historical evidence regarding births of nearly 3,000 years ago.
Take Christ for example. Those who challenge the biblical account offer contemperary documents in rebuttle.
The simple fact that MORE is known regarding the births of our early presidents makes my entire point.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Backfire? In what way? At worst, I learn that my president is truly elibible. How is that bad?
I’ll second that
FREE THE LONGFORM!!!
And yet Obama tracked his kinship to Cheney?
Amazing.
The truth always makes a difference.
Obama did not track his kinship to Cheney. That was done by a geneological firm that maintains a large database drawn from many sources.
You choose to trust the imagery at facxtcheck when it is a known fact that they posted a clear forgery for their messaih before they posted the now infamous image you have chosen to trust. ... You don’t mind being lied to and deceived, it would be just fine I guess.
I am sure with the proper funding the status of every single President’s vital records of birth could be gathered into a collection for all to see. I am sure if someone started such a project that they would probably get some funding as well.
Obviously for the most part most President’s have had no reason to have this be an issue being that everyone knew the place of their birth (with one exception), and were either obviously covered by the ‘at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution’ clause or the ‘native born’ clause.
Barack Hussein Obama though is the first to be born with admitted dual-citizenship at birth and who has forcefully tried to seal his birth and most other past records from public view.
#2 John Adams born Massachusetts
#3 Thomas Jefferson born Virginia
#4 James Madison born Virginia
#5 James Monroe born Virginia
#6 John Quincy Adams born Massachusetts
#7 Andrew Jackson born Carolinas
#8 Martin Van Buren born New York
Martin Vanburen was the first president born in the United States, as the first 7 were born before the United States, as a nation, were formed.
Funny that the Dems didn’t scream when he was introduced as the Kenyan Senate candidate. The history is there but the journalism is corrupt and kissing the arse of favoritism.
Even putting aside the issue of BO hiding his long form BC, I think a book containing every BC of every Prez that had one, would be fascinating to see.
This would only work if you could find long forms BC's for every one. I would imagine this would be a near-impossible task.
That would be excellent. Maybe a few more previous ones as well.
We should also include a section showing how much money was spent by each president (including government lawyers) to keep his birth certificate, and nearly all of his personal records tightly guarded secrets. Obama - $2,000,000 and counting... Oh wait I forgot, other than Chester A Arthur, there has never been any contreversy over a president’s birth place and there is no evidence that Arthur paid a dime hiding his records. The state of Vermont has a monument at the spot where official records indicate Arthur was born. None of Obama’s supporters know where to put a birth monument in Hawaii.
I think think there would be mostly blanks, even among recent presidents. Obama certainly isn’t doing anything out of the ordinary by not making his long form certificate available. To my knowledge, neither did Bush or Clinton.
Loosen your kneepads, you’re not getting enough oxygen to your brain.
Backfire in that you might find other past presidents that didn’t show or publish theirs either.
Oh, I mind, and I have no faith in their document. However, as I posted upthread, we won’t see the long form until we take back Washington or Hawaii (good luck). This short form is more than good enough for most people, which is all they need. That’s why I’m pretty much dropping the issue until we have the political power to force it. Otherwise, we will be marginalized and never get there.
In other words, we can’t put the cart (release of the long form) before the horse (political power) because it simply won’t work.
Don’t forget the BC obtained in February 2009 by Lucas Smith showing that Obama was born at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. The following link also shows a court declaration made by Lucas that was entered into evidence in the ‘Barnett v. Obama’case heard recently before Judge David O. Carter at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana, CA.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_people/LucasSmith.htm
Lucas can be followed on his ‘InspectorSmith’ YouTube channel.
None were born outside of what became the United States. The only one who had a chance to become President some day, but was not born in one of the 13 original colonies, was Alexander Hamiliton, who was born out of wedlock to Rachel Faucett Lavien, of part French Huguenot descent, and James A. Hamilton, fourth son of Scottish laird Alexander Hamilton of Grange, Ayrshire. They were at least living togehter at the time, and he was not their only child.
Aaron Burr put an end to any chances of Hamilton becoming President, when they dueled. Hamiliton missed, possibly on purpose, Burr did not.
Even those Presidents who qualified under the "Citizens of the United States at the time of the adoption" of the Constitution, were all born in the 13 colonies. (Although Andrew Jackson was born in a sort of "fuzzy" area of the western Carolinas, he claimed South Carolina as the colony of his birth)
Every other President was born in the United States of citizen parents, except The Messaih, who it is claimed was born in Hawaii, of an alien father, who never became a citizen.
If so, then the Constitution would be a dead letter. He would not be natural born, by anyone's definition, and would thus not be eligible to be President. Not eligible == Not President.
If so, then the Constitution would be a dead letter. He would not be natural born, by anyone's definition, and would thus not be eligible to be President. Not eligible == Not President.
Like this?
That's ostensibly a hospital, not official government record type, certificate. But it does have seals and signatures, including one certifying the copy.
That document was submitted to the Federal District Court for the Central District of California. Where the judge would not even (officially) look at it, but rather threw the case out on "standing", and "jurisdiction" grounds.
There very well might be baptismal certificates, and entries into family bibles, since that is the way things were done in those days. But in some states, the states did record births, even well before 1900.
Of course you won't find a single President, prior to January 20, 2009, who did not have US Citizen parents, except those "grandfathered" in by being citizens at the time of the adoption of the Cosntitution.
And they started with Stanley Ann Dunham/Obama/Sotero, not BHO Jr.
Am I wrong? If so, please correct me.
In thinking about it, maybe there are possibilities at Hawaii's department of records?
New England Puritans kept very accurate records. That's how we can say how closely related Bush and Kerry were related.
The same was true of Quebec: as with Pilgrims and Puritans it's not so hard to say how people of French Canadian ancestry (like Celine Dionne and Angelina Jolie and Madonna on her mother's side) are related.
Other colonies and ethnic groups also had good records. Where church membership was common, there are baptismal records. But on the frontier birth or christening records could be incomplete.
For example, it hasn't been established where Andrew Jackson, for example was born, in South Carolina or in North Carolina. Some people even said he was born in Ireland where his parents had lived or on a ship coming from Ireland to the New World.
It's also not clear where Zachary Taylor was born, though there's agreement about the general area where he must have come into the world. Taylor's parents were pioneers like Jackson's.
Politicians born in Vermont, like Chester Arthur, and Stephen A. Douglas (who didn't quite make it to the White House) were dogged by rumors that their real birthplace was over the border in Canada.
You're kidding, right? Maybe not.
Bush's parents and Clinton's parents were all U.S. citizens. Even if Bush and Clinton had been born abroad, they would have acquired U.S. citizenship at birth.
Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen. His mother, at age 18, was too young to have transmitted U.S. citizenship to to Obama if she gave birth outside the United States.
That's why it was so important for Obama to provide the best available documentation of his birth. Unlike Bush or Clinton, if Obama was born outside the United States, he is not a U.S. citizen.
What is all this fuss about BO’s birth certificate?
Actually, my interest is in the birth certificates of the presidents who are willing to show them.
I think it would be fascinating to see the whole collection.
Why the fuss about my post? You were certainly free to ignore it.
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