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Goodbye,my beloved son:Father gives up court battle to keep his disabled boy alive-
Mail Online ^ | 10th November 2009 | Beth Hale

Posted on 11/10/2009 10:52:34 PM PST by pillut48

In the end the young father could fight no longer.

For more than a year he had made daily visits to the hospital bedside of his chronically-disabled son.

For six emotional days in the High Court he had battled against the hospital - and the baby's mother - who were reluctantly seeking the right to withdraw life support.

Finally, faced with overwhelming evidence, he made the 'agonising' decision to let his beloved son go.

Both parents wept as the court was told he no longer opposed the hospital's application.

They said later they wanted to spend 'what little time remains with their beloved son'.

The father's heart-breaking move came after an independent expert said his son's quality of life was not good enough to justify prolonging it.

The 13-month-old boy, identified only as RB, has an extremely rare disorder that has robbed him of almost all muscle control.

His brain is undamaged, but trapped in an almost immovable body, unable to speak or even smile.

Incapable of breathing, he has been dependent on a ventilator since he was born.

Now it will be turned off within days. Doctors will administer a large dose of sedative to ensure the little boy does not suffer as he dies.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; killingkids; moralabsolutes; prolife; qualityoflife; socializedhealthcare; socializedmedicine
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"HIS BRAIN IS UNDAMAGED"-?!?!?!?!

Nope, no death panels with socialized medicine, nosireebob!! :-O

Horrifying. That poor little boy. :*( Prayers for him and his parents. I can't even imagine being told to kill my child because someone else decided his life wasn't worth living!!! >:-(
1 posted on 11/10/2009 10:52:34 PM PST by pillut48
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To: All
From the link's html:

"Mothers-views-childs-care-outweighs-father-says-senior-paediatrician"

Color me gobsmacked! :*(
2 posted on 11/10/2009 10:55:07 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48

Tears and prayers.


3 posted on 11/10/2009 10:57:26 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: All

For all of you who want obamacare, abortion, legalized assisted suicide — this article is a must read for YOU.


4 posted on 11/10/2009 11:03:14 PM PST by Cindy
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To: pillut48
The father's heart-breaking move came after an independent expert said his son's quality of life was not good enough to justify prolonging it.

THE DEATH PANEL HATH SPOKEN !

Coming soon to a hospital and Old Folks home near you courtesy of Obamacare.

5 posted on 11/10/2009 11:09:16 PM PST by apillar
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To: LucyJo
tears and prayers as well, but this little boy was in the hospital for a year...a year....no culture, no society, no govt not even a millionaire family could afford to keep a sick one in the hospital for a year....most of us could not afford it for one month...

do all of us deserve one full year in a hospital...the 300 billion of us?....it can't be done....

what makes human beings os arrogant to think they can reverse naturally occurring tragedies?.....every sickness or disorder...every injury?

this poor little tike could have gracefully gone to God long ago...his status hasn't changed....his condition has not improved nor was it ever to improve.....

we use all of God's gifts to make things better in this world, but would God expect us to break every rule of nature to keep someone breathing?...I can't imagine so... Some things belong to God alone.

I know I'll get flamed, but that's okay...its just my opinion....

6 posted on 11/10/2009 11:12:09 PM PST by cherry
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To: wagglebee

Ping!


7 posted on 11/10/2009 11:12:39 PM PST by Pinkbell
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To: wagglebee

Ping!


8 posted on 11/10/2009 11:14:35 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cherry

Well then, using that logic....He (God) must not know what He’s doing as He let this child live that long.

NOT a flame.


9 posted on 11/10/2009 11:47:43 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: cherry

My problem is the manner in which it is being handled.

The father wanted an operation that would allow him to take the baby home and care for him there.

That was denied him.

They plan to administer a large dose of sedative when he is taken off the ventilator. Depending on the type and strength of the sedative it could affect his breathing, so they would never know whether or not he could actually breathe on his own. Doctors are not incapable of error.

I understand the premise of your comments, and I agree up to the point of men playing God by “helping” the baby to die. After everything possible has been done to help the person to strengthen and breathe on their own, the decision about whether or not they can live on their own should not have interference from anyone playing God. In this case they are “helping” him to die.

I would have wanted that operation and a sufficient amount of time to tend the baby on my own to see if there could be any improvement.


10 posted on 11/10/2009 11:52:22 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Brad's Gramma

Ditto.


11 posted on 11/10/2009 11:54:40 PM PST by Cindy
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To: pillut48; Cindy; apillar

What idiotic statements - your hatred of Obama has sucked all common sense out of your skulls. That poor child has more brain function and feeling than any of you.

Give me the name of the Insurance Company that you know that will provide intensive medical care for life. Give me a case out of 300,000,000 people where even one hundreth of the care would have been given by any of your vaunted and beloved Insurance companies.


12 posted on 11/10/2009 11:58:47 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

There used to be a time in the history of this country when society valued human life. From the womb...to the tomb.

Imagine that.


13 posted on 11/11/2009 12:11:30 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: Brad's Gramma

When was that?


14 posted on 11/11/2009 12:13:53 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Wouldn’t medicare cover this child?


15 posted on 11/11/2009 12:14:30 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Cardhu

Oh...when I was a kid...


16 posted on 11/11/2009 12:14:53 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: apillar
Coming soon to a hospital and Old Folks home near you courtesy of Obamacare.

Yep. Once government is in control, you'll see more of this.

17 posted on 11/11/2009 12:22:44 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Cardhu

First of all Cardhu, I don’t hate the President or hate anyone for that matter.
That’s a juvenile statement you just made.

I would have done like the father originally requested and given the boy an operation and taken him home with meds for his condition and pain and/or discomfort.

I would have taken care of him until the end of his natural life.

I am a Christian.

As a Christian I know that life begins in the womb and ends with eternal life.
I have a concern for all life.

I do not go down the road judging “quality of life” issues.
I’m not God and I’m not the Hitler administration.

You can learn a lot Cardhu about “quality of life” by studying history.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 12:22:57 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cardhu

Quite obviously before you...


19 posted on 11/11/2009 12:32:42 AM PST by Outlaw Woman (I will die on my feet before I live on my knees.)
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To: dragonblustar

I doubt it, if the mother and all the doctors and other experts advised against it.

Last Saturday I visited by brother-in-law and sister-in-law, who are both in their nineties, in a Residencia.

My brother-in-law cannot make any voluntary movement only reflexes. My sister-in-law, who is blind, I believe understands something but I am not sure as she cannot communicate, feed herself or walk.

So much for Death Panels in Socialized medicine.


20 posted on 11/11/2009 12:34:11 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
vaunted and beloved Insurance companies.

2/10. Amateurish. Needs to review the fundamentals of trolling.
21 posted on 11/11/2009 12:49:57 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Cardhu

When my father had a stroke, his legs froze up and couldn’t move them. He was on Medicare and my mother couldn’t get a doctor to answer her calls as to what she had to do next, like get him into therapy or have a nurse come to the home. Finally she got a hold of a social worker and my father was placed in a private nursing home. My mother had to pay for that herself nearly losing her home to keep him in there, then finally my father was placed in a medicare approved nursing home for men. Try finding one of those and having space available in the state of Michigan. After my father was placed there, and it was depressing, the doctors basically medicated him to keep him sedated. When we noticed his foot looking infected, the nurses said he came in like that. I believe them but we were never aware of his other bed sores until it was too late. It was a stressful time so we did put our trust in the few people who were helping us.

I feel the system basically wrote him off to die. He was in his seventies and once he was on medicare, nobody wanted to deal with him.


22 posted on 11/11/2009 12:51:11 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: cherry
Cherry, I'll get flamed along with you if that happens. I'm pro-life, 100% against Obama, Pelosi, Reid and every congressman who said "yes" to this insane health care bill and their callous approval of abortions..

If the only thing that kept this dear little child alive was living in a hospital, then, painful as it is, he wasn't going to have any real life without a miraculous solution to heal him.

As a mother I can imagine the pain of the parents and family, but for this little guy's sake, letting him go just might be the right thing to do. He obviously can't survive on his own.

So very sad.

23 posted on 11/11/2009 1:00:23 AM PST by IIntense
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To: Cindy
Incapable of breathing, he has been dependent on a ventilator since he was born.

I would have taken care of him until the end of his natural life.


His natural life ended the day he was born.
24 posted on 11/11/2009 1:01:15 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!!!)
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To: rottndog

I’ll have to respectfully disagree with you sir.


25 posted on 11/11/2009 1:02:34 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Disagreement is OK.


26 posted on 11/11/2009 1:05:34 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!!!)
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To: cherry

You’re right, Cherry. I don’t like what the doctor’s are going to do, but he cannot breathe on his own nor move any muscles. He is imprisoned in his own body.

If he can’t breathe on his own he will never have a decent life. This is a horrible condition for anyone to be in, much worse than prison.

I know that none of us like this, but if any of you were in this state for a year and knew it would be the rest of your life, would you want it to end?


27 posted on 11/11/2009 1:09:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Cardhu

So, are you suggesting that they should be “helped to die”, which is just a euphemism for murder, by denying them sustenance? God alone should decide the time of our deaths.

There is a vast difference between using whatever skills and knowledge man has been given to sustain life naturally, and denying life because some human “expert” has decided the quality of life is not worth helping to sustain through such basic means as nourishment.


28 posted on 11/11/2009 1:12:54 AM PST by LucyJo
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To: Brad's Gramma
There used to be a time in the history of this country when society valued human life.

What if he was an illegal alien?

29 posted on 11/11/2009 1:13:04 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: apillar
THE DEATH PANEL HAS SPOKEN

While I'm outraged that the House had the audacity to pass this unconstitutional health care bill, I can't see where it relates to this baby boy's situation. My understanding is that he can't survive outside of the hospital, that that's the only thing keeping him alive.

There's a limit to how much time hospitals can afford to keep patients. Adults are either sent home with proper care, or to a nursing home. If this baby is dependent on a machine to keep him alive, I don't see a moral problem in shutting down the machine.

That's just my thoughtful opinion. I may be wrong.

30 posted on 11/11/2009 1:29:06 AM PST by IIntense
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To: Cardhu
...your hatred of Obama has sucked all common sense out of your skulls.

Too bad you can't see the wry smile on my face. The unmitigated truth is, dear, that you obviously are not gifted with common sense. You clearly have not educated yourself about the government take-over of every American citizen's health care.

If the Senate and the House come to an agreement on just how they will control our health care decisions, do you really want politicians controlling what medical procedures you can have and those you will be denied?

The silliest comment I've heard on this so far is: "Give me the name of the Insurance Company that you know that will provide intensive medical life for life."

And you actually believe the U.S. Government will do that for you. Who do you think is going to pay for that kind of coverage? I'll tell you. All the people in this country who go to work to earn a salary. Your health care will be stolen from their honest earnings.

31 posted on 11/11/2009 2:03:14 AM PST by IIntense
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To: dragonblustar

I am sorry to hear about your father. I did not know there were nursing homes just for men. All ours have patients of both sexes.

I am an expert in nursing homes and hospitals having married into a family of 13 children most of whom lived into their late 80s and 90s. Alzheimer’s, senile dementia and cancers have been their lot for the most part. I have been the chauffeur for all the sisters but now I am the only one left that can possible visit as the last one at home is pretty far gone and will be in a Residencia in year or so when she is 90.

All this and more for the extended family never cost them a penny, and the nursing home only costs 2/3rd of whatever the Government pays out in Social Security to the patient for long term care - the other third is for the family to buy gifts and/or pay for a taxi to the Residencia for folks who do not drive.

With the longevity here - Death Care is failing miserably


32 posted on 11/11/2009 2:08:44 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
Hey Cardhu, Do me a favor. GO to this link and read it. And I mean really read it. Digest it and understand it. Link Think about it a while. Then come back and tell us:

Why you think the results will be different here

If this is really about healthcare or maybe it is more about some deep seeded need you have to see people with more than you punished. Even to your own detriment.

Because after reading that list, there is no way a rational person can come to the conclusion that government run healthcare is a good thing.

33 posted on 11/11/2009 2:12:09 AM PST by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: IIntense

Just think what you pay for the cost of building, maintaining, manning and equipping eight aircraft carriers and their escort for twenty years to prepare for imagined threats. Then, we can talk about cost of health care for all to prepare for reality.

When you lose your job, your insurance and you or your wife get a hospital bill I hope you think of my silly comment.


34 posted on 11/11/2009 2:20:37 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Doe Eyes

Give ‘em an oxygen bottle and ship his criminal butt back across the border.


35 posted on 11/11/2009 2:44:18 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Cardhu

I’ll tell you what, friend. We’ll worry about spending OUR money on “imagined threats” and you keep your focus on what your cowardly country is going to run from next.
Buzz off.


36 posted on 11/11/2009 2:47:47 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Cardhu
Just think what you pay for the cost of building, maintaining, manning and equipping eight aircraft carriers and their escort for twenty years to prepare for imagined threats. Then, we can talk about cost of health care for all to prepare for reality.

I don't know what country you are from, Cardhu. But the fact that the US has been in a position to defend the free world for 50 years has given other countries the luxury of spending little money on defence. Soon other countries will not have that luxury. Nor will they have the US as the economic engine of the world, the destination of higher education seekers and professional employees, the escape valve for the Canadian and foreign wealthy from the restrictions of their own socialist health systems, and the beneficiary of innovation and entrepreneurialism. All that is declining and will continue to decline more, as it has in Britain. And the world will not be better off for it.

37 posted on 11/11/2009 3:12:34 AM PST by Old_Grouch (62 and AARP-free)
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To: Cardhu
Give me the name of the Insurance Company that you know that will provide intensive medical care for life. Give me a case out of 300,000,000 people where even one hundreth of the care would have been given by any of your vaunted and beloved Insurance companies.

I'm friends with a couple whose baby boy died, then was revived at birth but had massive brain damage as a result. They are by no means rich or even well-off. He was essentially a vegetable yet the child was provided for (with around the clock at-home care) by insurance at first then public aid for about 8 years before he passed.
Yes I know that public aid doesn't mean the same as 'private health insurance' directly but I would rather my tax dollars go to a program (such as part of a current established public aid program like medicare) and NOT to keeping death row inmates alive for 35+ years while they ride out their 376 appeals.

38 posted on 11/11/2009 3:27:54 AM PST by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: pillut48

“The father’s heart-breaking move came after an independent expert said his son’s quality of life was not good enough to justify prolonging it. “

No death panel there, nothing to see, move along.


39 posted on 11/11/2009 3:28:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cardhu

United Healthcare

Death panels are a fact of govt run healthcare. Govt run healthcare where the decision to kill is financial and not based on the persons chance of recovery.


40 posted on 11/11/2009 3:31:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cardhu

“Just think what you pay for the cost of building, maintaining, manning and equipping eight aircraft carriers and their escort for twenty years to prepare for imagined threats. “

Imagined threats eh. Yes the world is full of friendly, helpful people.


41 posted on 11/11/2009 3:33:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IIntense

If the only thing that kept this dear little child alive was living in a hospital, then, painful as it is, he wasn't going to have any real life without a miraculous solution to heal him.

As a mother I can imagine the pain of the parents and family, but for this little guy's sake, letting him go just might be the right thing to do. He obviously can't survive on his own.

So very sad.

I completely agree.

42 posted on 11/11/2009 3:38:43 AM PST by inflorida
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To: riri
Hi riri, I agree that what is being proposed as a remedy really sucks as it is a worthless piece of nonsense that will still keep the insurance companies in business with mandatory inflated premiums for less and less.

I don´t think it is my deep seated need to see people earning more than me punished. Over 20 years ago I earned more than 99.9 of the people on here and that was in the mid West. I am appalled at how little has change in those 20 years even though the dollar has lost over 50% of its value, and the cost of housing, state and local taxes have quadrupled. Not to mention hundreds of percentage increases in health care.

The real difference between us is that I have been under the British system, the American system, and the Spanish system and as you have seen by my other posts I do have some experience of the reality not tabloid half truths and propaganda.

You see ricky, I saw a YouTube video of a patient in a hospital waiting room fall over and die with the guard and medical personnel doing nothing to help except walk around him and observe, they claimed they did this for about an hour.

Now do I think that I will find dead bodies all of the floor of American Hospitals, of course not - I use common sense and do not extrapolate from that one incident the return of Twelfth Imam, the Rapture or any other cataclysmic event.

Now as to the 3 year old girl having her operation postponed, that may surprise you that that happens all the time everywhere. The story is simple, in October they told the mother she would need the operation in a year to eighteen months the hit piece you referred to was written in April 6 months later, and already it was postponed 3 time so when was the first time - Obviously well within the framework of 12 to 18 months. Even the mother did not think she need the operation as she was so well.

When you read newspaper articles be rational and not be guided to the conclusion that the writer wants to foist upon the simple. Although, in this case the writer is innocent but the reader had an axe to grind.

Read here:

Her parents, Ian Cotterell and Rachel Davis, were told last October that she would need an operation within 12 to 18 months.

Doctors carried out two angioplasties, where small balloons are inserted and inflated to clear a blocked blood vessel, but neither was successful.

Further surgery was initially planned for April 2 but was cancelled because of emergency cases and rearranged for four days later, the couple said. However, the operation was cancelled again for the same reason.

A third date was arranged for April 20 and last Thursday Ella went to the hospital for tests. On Saturday her parents received another call explaining her operation would have to be cancelled.

Ms Davis, who works part-time as an accident and emergency nurse at the Frenchay Hospital in Bristol, said that she was devastated when she was told there were not enough beds.

“My husband and I were in tears,” she said. “When our six-year-old son Liam asked what was wrong we told him Ella’s operation had been cancelled again and he said we should tell Gordon Brown.”

The family are waiting for another surgery date. In the meantime, Ella is having to take adult doses of medication to control her blood pressure.

“We have asked the doctors if she really needs the surgery as she is so happy at the moment and is running around like a normal little girl, but she could drop down dead at any moment,” Ms Davis said.

I think this shows a System that cares for people - no quibbles about pre-existing conditions no humongous co-pays not losing your insurance for ever because you claimed

I am afraid I must not be a rational person in your book. I do take comfort that I am in good company with the rest of the civilized world - so what can I do?

43 posted on 11/11/2009 3:49:31 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: IIntense

Pray for him, disconnect him, let God decide. Prolonging life eternally simply because we can, is just as dangerous as ending life prematurely because it is expedient. Both are immoral IMHO.


44 posted on 11/11/2009 3:50:25 AM PST by bluecollarman (Tagline: (optional))
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To: pillut48

Murder. Murder. Murder.

The National spirit murdered, the Dad’s spirit murdered, the son murdered.


45 posted on 11/11/2009 3:51:49 AM PST by bvw
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To: Cardhu

You are dead already, like a shadow you prey on the living.


46 posted on 11/11/2009 3:57:19 AM PST by bvw
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To: brent13a

I agree with you about death row inmates.

I am sorry about the little boy that died but you see private insurance passed the buck to the Government no matter what you call it.

Passed the buck is not the right word - kept the buck and passed the liability to the Government.

Conservstives support that?


47 posted on 11/11/2009 4:00:56 AM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
OK. See, I live in Sweden. I talk to people all the time who have to wait for surgeries. talked with a guy last week who had to wait four months to have his shoulder operated on while in pain.

I also know the huge tax burden on the Swedes. Myself, I had to turn down work last week. Why should I work while I am here to pay 60 cents on every dollar in taxes? And then another 25 percent VAT tax on nearly every purchase. Do you see the cost to a society with that huge, punitive tax burden? I also know because of the hugely inflated prices due to the VAT, I buy as little as possible. That also effects workers, wages and job creation. I'll wait and buy it on my home leaves or while on vacation in Thailand or anywhere but here. The fact remains these healthcare systems drain societies and are not sustainable.

I know the American system and while not perfect, is pretty damn good. I can go the my doctor with morning about an issue and have her order a test. I can choose from one of DOZENS of scanning facilities within a five mile radius of my home and have the scan or test run the same morning.

If something is wrong, I can have those results the next day, maybe even that same day and begin my decision making process using potentially life saving time.

The system needs some reform, no one disputes that but not following Europe's footsteps. Europe is a dying continent in many ways, not a blueprint for success.

48 posted on 11/11/2009 4:06:18 AM PST by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cardhu

The difference is, that in our current system, he could have the surgery paid for privately. That is against the law in the UK. Wouldn’t be “fair.” Wouldn’t use “resources appropriately.”

Some insurances would have done the surgery to get him home, for cheaper care. He would most likely have died from an infection by now. I don’t understand the reasoning behind refusing, unless it’s the legal problem of difference of opinion between the parents about what is best for the boy.


49 posted on 11/11/2009 4:14:56 AM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: hocndoc
The difference is, that in our current system, he could have the surgery paid for privately. That is against the law in the UK.

That's correct only if you mean that the state wouldn't pay for private care. Not correct if you mean that the parents couldn't choose to pay for private care themselves, if they have the means. They can. Nothing illegal about that - people do it here (in Britain) all the time - me included.

50 posted on 11/11/2009 4:45:17 AM PST by Winniesboy (61 years a NHS patient; 7 years a Freeper)
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