Skip to comments.Mormon church backing gay rights laws
Posted on 11/11/2009 1:51:21 PM PST by kingattax
Gay rights legislation in Salt Lake City receives its first ever endorsement by the Mormon church.
Salt Lake City, Utah (WiredPRNews.com) - The passage of gay rights legislation in Salt Lake City, Utah was supported for the first time by the Mormon church. As reported by the Associated Press (AP), the church announced its support of laws that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in housing and employment prior to a vote on the legislation Tuesday.
Michael Otterson, the director of public affairs for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is quoted by the AP as stating of the measure, The church supports these ordinances because they are fair and reasonable and do not do violence to the institution of marriage.
Brandie Balken, gay rights advocacy group Equality Utah director, is further quoted in the report as stating of the action, What happened here tonight I do believe is a historic event
I think it establishes that we can stand together on common ground that we dont have to agree on everything, but there are lot of things that we can work on and be allies.
Hmmm, this from a church that in some sects believe in polygamy?
The mainstream Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has disavowed polygamy for over a century.
To imply that “some sects believe in polygamy” is not unlike implying that all Baptists practice snake-handling and arsenic-drinking. Yes, extremely small enclaves of individuals who claim similar descent practice such heterodox acts, but they have been completely estranged from the mainstream church for generations.
I suppose you aren’t familiar with the LDS Scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants section 132? I wonder why the LDS refuse to live the everlasting covenant?
3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthoodif any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.
Gay rights legislation in Salt Lake City receives its first ever endorsement by the Mormon church.
That deprtavity called polygamy cant be far off...
The slippery slope back to D&C 132...
Polygamy = godhood = mormon narvarna...
The Lds church has never disavowed eternal polygamy [Lds message that their polygamists live in Kolob Heights, where they are "raising up seed"; plus Lds apostle Bruce McConkie said in his "Mormon Doctrine" book that the "holy practice" of earthly polygamy would be re-instituted when the Mormon jesus returns]
Also, time-wise note: The Lds church was still secretly "plural marrying" hundreds of couples from 1890-1910 -- some of whom were still alive in the early 1960s. (The Lds church rarely tried to break up these "plural unions" that were formed by 1910).
In your hysterical need to attach the Mormon church, you all seem to be forgetting one key point: The church’s support of anti-discrimination laws in the workplace have ZILCH to do with supporting gay marriage which the LDS Church has been second to none in fighting against. These are 2 differing positions folks.
Watch how militant gays spit nails at the very mention of Mormons if you don’t believe the Mormon Church hasn’t been a driving force to oppose gay marriage and is continuing to be. They are public enemy number 1 to the pro-gay marriage crowd.
So that being the case, where do you all come up with this absurd domino theory that this will result in the return of polyagamy which was banned by the LDS Church by revelation? Did any of you even read the article? There’s NOTHING in it that suggests in any way that the LDS Church stand on gay marriage has in any way changed, indeed it is stated explicitly that this has not changed. Good gosh folks, slow down from the frenzy of Mormon bashing and take a breath to think a little bit about what you’re posting.
So? If the LDS Church is a false church as you claim, then what they believe will happen in the eternies will be null and void and thus have no impact on you in the here and now or after this life. So why do you care what their beliefs about the afterlife are like when they do not violate secular laws now or in any way create an imposition on you or your moral sensibilites in this world?
Spend your time building up your own faith instead of trying to tear down the faith of others.
(You are) trying to tear down the faith of others.
If the LDS Church is a false church as you claim....
why do you care .....
Yes, well on that note, MB...
Why do you care what colofornian has to say ???
You wouldnt be “trying to tear down the faith of others”, would you ???
C: The Lds church has never disavowed eternal polygamy
MB: So? If the LDS Church is a false church as you claim,
MB, you got all that out of C just commenting that “the Lds have never disdisavowed eternal polygamy”
and they havent...
D&C 132 about “celestial marriage” was never rescinded...
Its still part of essential doctrine...
Joey Smith said it was a “new and everlasting covenant”
Since mormonism is based on polygamy, to get rid of it would be to get rid of mortmonism...
The mormon males have to practice polygamy in order to become gods and go to their afterlife...
The mormons claim that their mormon jesus will reinstate polygamy when he returns...
The mormons claim that their mormon jesus was married, and a polygamist...
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye dammed; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.
6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fullness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fullness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21 Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.
Please post for me a single syllable in either post I made where I attacked the religious beliefs or faith of others. You will find no such remarks, which cannot be said about your posts. So your comment above is a complete, mystifying non-sequitor with no anchor in anything I said.
Why do I care what Colofornian has to say? Because you all made laughably disconnected comments regarding the actual policy the LDS Church is pursuing in regard to workplace discrimination. It has nothing to do with marriage. You can disagree with the essence of the policy on "gay rights" all day long and I may just join you on that side of the debate. But there is NOTHING relevent to polygamy or marriage in this policy so it was just a gratuitous and lame attempt to take yet another swipe at the LDS Church. The disconnect in what you and he were saying was so yawning it needed to be commented on to bring you all back to reality.
Other than that, I don't care what he has to say which is why I will not read any reply he makes nor respond as has been my policy towards him and his obsessive bigotry against the Mormon religion for a while. I just thought this thread was such a howler because of several of the comments being such non-sequitors to the actual policy it begged being commented on.
I'm also done wasting my time with someone who AGAIN has tried to turn my argument against me--and failed miserably. Now report me to the mods as you always do when you don't like being disagreed with.
This is such a shocker to me.
And sad too.
Pssst, "celestial marriage" includes and for the LDS Church currently is ONLY marriage between one man, one woman. If the LDS Church believes in the eternities polgamy is practiced, how does that impact you? It doesn't. So yes, polygamy was rescinded in the 1890 Manifesto. Celestial marriage is not nor has it EVER been solely polygamy esp. since so few even when it was practiced were allowed to enter into such marriages, something like fewer than 15% of the men of the church.
Again, practice your faith. Leave the faith of others alone. You surely can build yourself and your beliefs without having to tear down the faith of others. In this era of unbridled wickedness in the world the struggle should not be the godly vs. godly. It should be the godly vs. the ungodly. Anything else is a waste of energy and I believe is exactly how Satan would like to distract us from fighting the real fight we should be having. It's the same divisive spirit that sets Sunnis against Shiites in places like Iraq.
When you have a 16 year old gang raped in Stockton, California as dozens just watched and did nothing to help, when you have a farm in Missouri dug up to uncover evidence of decades of child sexual abuse by the parents against their children, when you have a home in Cleveland filled to the rafters with dead bodies by a man who lured women in, assaulted them and murdered them, when you have a Muslim terrorist shooting up our heroes at Fort Hood and murdering and so many other realities of horrofic sin afoot in the world, I would hope it would awaken you to the fact you're fighting against the wrong people and wasting your energies against the wrong "enemy." This is why splitting hairs on what constitutes "celestial marriage" in Mormon doctrine or worrying about what Mormons think marriage is like in the next life is nothing but a grand distraction and frankly a ludicrious one in the face of the awful sin we're confronted with in the news and in our communities on a daily basis. For that reason, I'm going to put my energies into fighting that, not debating you. I will not read nor reply to further posts because I chose not to be distracted from the real fight we have at hand.
Pssst, “celestial marriage” includes and for the LDS Church currently is ONLY marriage between one man, one woman.
Celestial marriage is not nor has it EVER been solely polygamy
Leave the faith of others alone
Pssst, “celestial marriage” is includes and for the LDS Church currently is ONLY marriage between one man, many women.
Mormonism claims that one man one woman is prostitution and unBiblical...
D&C 132 was never rescinded...
Lots of mormons continued to practice it and still do...
The mormons claim that whentheir mormon jesus returns, they will be able to come out of the closet and practice polygamy again in the open...
Without polygamy, mormon males dont get to be gods and without godhood they cant go to the mormon afterlife and practicve polygamy forever ...
as for your comment “Leave the faith of others alone” will you also tell the mormons to leave Christians alone and stop knocking on our doors ???
I’m not the one sendoing out 60,000 “missionaries” to tell Chrsitians they believe an abomination...
Please post for me a single syllable in either post I made where I attacked the religious beliefs or faith of others. You will find no such remarks, which cannot be said about your posts.
D&C 132 was never rescinded... - True
Lots of mormons continued to practice it and still do... - LIE
The mormons claim that whentheir mormon jesus returns, they will be able to come out of the closet and practice polygamy again in the open... - LIE
Without polygamy, mormon males dont get to be gods ... - LIE
Leave the faith of others alone will you also tell the mormons to leave Christians alone and stop knocking on our doors ???
Yeah, that's the same thing. NOT.
It's sad that this bitterness is apparently the only thing you have left in life, Nana.
Seriously, is there ANYTHING else you care about, other than bashing Mormons?
his obsessive bigotry against the Mormon religion
Its the “obsessive bigotry of the Mormon religion” that causes 60,000 mormon missionaries to knock on the doors of Christians and tell them their belief in the Christian Jesus is wrong ..
Until you address that you appear to be disingenuous...
You make it sound like the Bible is all "rosy" about our call to warn others about false prophets & heresies. Sorry, but the Bible discusses some negative things in that regard. In fact, it says we're under obligation to warn others. (See the apostle Paul's warning, for example, in Acts 20)
Since our faith includes the need to warn others, and you oppose that, it sounds like you're tearing down my faith. (So I guess that means you need to heed your own warning: Spend your time building up your own faith instead of trying to tear down the faith of others. Since you apparently believe this as a personal standard...start living it...stop being negative toward me, then...spend your time building up your own faith. If this is your maxim, live it).
So why do you care what their beliefs about the afterlife are like when they do not violate secular laws now or in any way create an imposition on you or your moral sensibilites in this world? [MB]
Because we all have to answer to God one day -- including if we've loved our neighbor with the truth...or withheld it from them out of some misguided sense of shielding them from realities.
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