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CDC now says 4,000 swine flu deaths in US
AP via YahooNews ^ | 11/11/09 | Staff

Posted on 11/11/2009 3:15:08 PM PST by OldDeckHand

ATLANTA – Federal health officials now say that 4,000 or more Americans likely have died from swine flu — about four times the estimate they've been using.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beveryafraid; cdc; deaths; fearmongering; flu; h1n1; influenza; nih; obama; obamathugs; swineflu
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I wonder how many people have died from the seasonal flu during the same period.
1 posted on 11/11/2009 3:15:09 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Likely?

Estimate?


2 posted on 11/11/2009 3:18:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I live in CNY and I haven’t heard of any people dying around here from swine flu...wonder where they all live


3 posted on 11/11/2009 3:18:37 PM PST by leenie312
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To: OldDeckHand

And do we believe their statistics?


4 posted on 11/11/2009 3:19:13 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr

I dunno about the status, but this mexican swine flu has not been the death generator they hoped for.


5 posted on 11/11/2009 3:20:33 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: OldDeckHand
HOW MANY DIED IN KATRINA??
I BLAME HUSSEIN!!

6 posted on 11/11/2009 3:21:09 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: cripplecreek
PANOOTA*







[*Pull A Number Out Of The A$$]
7 posted on 11/11/2009 3:21:18 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: DonaldC

oops, I meant stats.


8 posted on 11/11/2009 3:21:22 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: OldDeckHand

It’s been a while since I’ve heard any reports on the “flu” but last I heard, it was 70 deaths.

Interesting how it’s gone up and not much of a peep from the news...not that it’d be true if it was reported.

I call BS


9 posted on 11/11/2009 3:22:37 PM PST by Lucky9teen (THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS ALL VETERANS!!!)
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To: OldDeckHand

These stats are TOTAL GARBAGE! The CDC does not even test for this anymore so no one really knows. The normal flu kills something like 15,000 every year alone.


10 posted on 11/11/2009 3:23:26 PM PST by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this... Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand

150 people die each day during regular flu season.


11 posted on 11/11/2009 3:23:47 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: OldDeckHand

Curously, the names of all those killed by swine flu appear identical to names on Acorn voter registration lists.


12 posted on 11/11/2009 3:24:58 PM PST by TChad
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To: OldDeckHand
It includes deaths caused by complications related to swine flu, including pneumonia and bacterial infections.

About time.

13 posted on 11/11/2009 3:25:37 PM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: cripplecreek
According to the CDC's own website as of 11/06, only 672 have perished due the flu that have been positively identified as flu victims. The report may be found here.

Perhaps they're extrapolating estimates based on laboratory confirmed cases and recognizing only a certain percentages of flu cases are confirmed by laboratory tests.

14 posted on 11/11/2009 3:25:55 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: MrDem
These stats are TOTAL GARBAGE! The CDC does not even test for this anymore so no one really knows. The normal flu kills something like 15,000 every year alone.

The common figure for the regular flu is in excess of 30,000. But that too is an estimate. Impractical to test every or even a large fraction of deaths for the flu. What is done is normal moratality is plotted against mortality during the flu season.

But there is no doubt this flu is a killer. The stats are in for the Southern Hemisphere. Median age of death in Australia was 58. Normal flu is 81. Patients had to be airlifted because the country didn't have enough ECMO machines (some patients lungs were so full of snot they could not be put on mechanical ventilation lest their lungs explode--they needed an artifical lung...sometimes for weeks).

The fact is the death toll is being downplayed by the media because Obama and HSS botched vaccine deliveries. CT was supposed to get half a million doses by the end of Oct. It got 180,000. Imagine if Bush were president now. The media and liberals would be howling in rage.

15 posted on 11/11/2009 3:30:27 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m home with the swine flu. Had a temp of over 103 Monday, got Tamiflu, started getting better right away.


16 posted on 11/11/2009 3:32:32 PM PST by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: OldDeckHand

and if that number doesn’t scare people into getting the vaccine, they’ll adjust the number upwards yet again..


17 posted on 11/11/2009 3:33:14 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A moderate muslim is one who is simply buying time to reload..)
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To: Brugmansian
"The fact is the death toll is being downplayed by the media because Obama and HSS botched vaccine deliveries. CT was supposed to get half a million doses by the end of Oct. It got 180,000. Imagine if Bush were president now. The media and liberals would be howling in rage. "

I tend to agree with your assessment. I don't think this is anythings remotely close to 1918, but it's MUCH worse than SARS ever hoped to be. And, think of the pandemonium surrounding that debacle. The media is covering for Obama.

18 posted on 11/11/2009 3:34:31 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Who’s cooking the books?


19 posted on 11/11/2009 3:34:49 PM PST by WellyP
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To: OldDeckHand

Since every case of flu is being reported as swine flu how can they tell 4000 deaths have been specifically from H1N1?


20 posted on 11/11/2009 3:36:56 PM PST by Train Collector (Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: OldDeckHand

Was the state run media told to shut up for a while because they screwed up and there’s not enough to go around? Or are they quiet because there is enough and they don’t want to hand it out. Seems like they have enough to vaccinate the terrorists at guantannimo. F the American citizen lets keep our guests alive and well so they can kill more Americans. Did our new terrorst friend from ft Hood get his?


21 posted on 11/11/2009 3:37:01 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Leaders who refuse to lead will be lead by the people)
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To: OldDeckHand

My mom has it right now, and I’m worried about her. It’s turned into pleurisy, and she is in a lot of pain. They did a chest x-ray on her yesterday, and said she didn’t have pneumonia. Doctor sent her home.

My mom rarely gets sick and doesn’t complain much, so if she if she says she’s not well then I think it must be bad.


22 posted on 11/11/2009 3:40:15 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: OldDeckHand

Who knows since any Type A is supposed to be reported as H1N1. Talk about skewing the numbers.


23 posted on 11/11/2009 3:45:17 PM PST by nurees (Oh...there is a NEW Mexico (Homer Simpson))
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To: OldDeckHand

Totally worthless. As the CBS investigative article pointed out, the Sebelius gang stopped TESTING for swine flu months ago. So they have no idea how many cases there are, or even whether people have flu at all.

This is nothing but more scare politics. I assume they want to use some sort of hyped up “emergency” to push Obamacare through. Hopefully it won’t work.


24 posted on 11/11/2009 3:50:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: OldDeckHand
And how many from swimming pools?

ML/NJ

25 posted on 11/11/2009 3:58:13 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
It doesn't give information specifically for pools, but the CDC's own website says...

"In 2005, there were 3,582 fatal unintentional drownings in the United States, averaging ten deaths per day. An additional 710 people died, from drowning and other causes, in boating-related incident"

26 posted on 11/11/2009 4:03:27 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Sure are a lot of deaths on Obama’s watch.


27 posted on 11/11/2009 4:09:03 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: OldDeckHand

I thought they gave a direction to stop testing for this flu midsummer, so how would they know this. Post-mortem testing?


28 posted on 11/11/2009 4:09:30 PM PST by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: OldDeckHand

Don’t we normally have about 30,000 to 40,000 deaths per year from the seasonal flu?


29 posted on 11/11/2009 4:11:51 PM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: cripplecreek

36,000 more and we’ll make it to a normal flu year....


30 posted on 11/11/2009 4:14:49 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: Bahbah

I think in my state they are only testing if you get admitted to the hospital.


31 posted on 11/11/2009 4:15:11 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: OldDeckHand

How would they know? They told hospitals to quit testing for H1N1 in August. They are counting anyone with flu like symptoms as H1N1. There is a report that I saw that said that many so called H1N1 cases, and even seasonal flu cases aren’t flu after all. The only good thing to come out of this propagandist pandemic is the illustration of the ineptitude of the public option.


32 posted on 11/11/2009 4:31:47 PM PST by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: OldDeckHand

Normal level of deaths would be 40,000.

So far this flu is invisible. (too bad Obama!)


33 posted on 11/11/2009 4:33:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: luckystarmom
"My mom has it right now, and I’m worried about her. It’s turned into pleurisy, and she is in a lot of pain"

She didn't have the flu. She has a bacterial infection.

Use a heat pad to reduce the pain, and accelerate elimination of the bacteria. Del-Immune will help too, if you have it. (www.delimmune.com)

34 posted on 11/11/2009 4:40:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: OldDeckHand
In 2005, there were 3,582 fatal unintentional drownings

Any idea how many nonfatal ones there were? And did they say how many intentional drownings there were?

ML/NJ

35 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:03 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
"Any idea how many nonfatal ones there were? And did they say how many intentional drownings there were?"

I don't believe it did, but here's the link - have a look-see for yourself...

Water-Related Injuries: Fact Sheet

36 posted on 11/11/2009 4:48:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: luckystarmom
Pleurisy sucks....I had it over 40 years ago while on a weekend liberty from the USMC - thought I'd had a heart attack, it was so painful to breathe.

Funny - our goofy old Navy Corpsman drove up to the L. A. area and stormed the civilian hospital (I'd gone to the ER and was in the cardiac unit, thanks to a botched intern job on an EKG), yelling "I'm the boy's doctor!"

I'd had "mess duty" for endless weeks in the steamy dish cleaning areas of Camp Pendleton and that's where we figure I contracted it.....but it's never reoccured, thankfully.

37 posted on 11/11/2009 4:53:26 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama is a DIC....... Ditherer-in-Chief)
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To: Nephi

When my mom went to the doctor yesterday, they didn’t test her for flu.

I wanted to know if it was definitely flu because if it is we can get tamiflu for my dad who has congestive heart failure.


38 posted on 11/11/2009 5:40:06 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: editor-surveyor

It started with sore throat, then runny nose and congestion, and then the chest pains.

If you google H1N1, they said that you can get pleurisy from it.


39 posted on 11/11/2009 5:41:48 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: OldDeckHand

It won’t even be a normal flu season until over 40,000 have died.


40 posted on 11/11/2009 5:43:27 PM PST by dalereed
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To: ml/nj

“And did they say how many intentional drownings there were?”

The ones that were proven were called murder!


41 posted on 11/11/2009 5:48:22 PM PST by dalereed
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To: luckystarmom

You can get pleurisy after any virus, but it is a bacterial infection of the pleural cavity. It is way more often the result of not conquering pnuemonia quickly enough.


42 posted on 11/11/2009 5:54:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

Why wouldn’t the doctor prescribe her anti-biotics?

I don’t live near my mom, and I wish I did.


43 posted on 11/11/2009 6:24:47 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: OldDeckHand

A few days ago my local lib rag, The La Crosse (Wisc) Tribune headlined a big story about a local young boy who had supposedly died form the H1N1 virus. The next day or so they retracted the story, and the docs said it was not the pig flu. Looks like there’s quite a bit of disinformation and faulty diagnoses going on.


44 posted on 11/11/2009 8:52:10 PM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Brugmansian

That 36,000 number of regular flu deaths per year was way wrong and it served the purpose of stopping panic with the Mexican outbreak.

The real number is not really known; CDC’s data collection is poor. But it was estimated to be at 10k to 15k when the spin cycle was over and the truth came out.


45 posted on 11/11/2009 9:43:06 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Aria

Sorry to hear you have the flu! Glad to hear you are feeling better. Most people have no problem moving through it fine.

But, don’t mess with it. If you have any sense of it moving into your lungs get to a doctor right away.


46 posted on 11/11/2009 9:47:08 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Train Collector

Seasonal flu is called “seasonal” for a reason. It typically starts in mid to late Nov. and peaks in Jan/Feb. Of course from now on out it will be difficult to determine which type of flu, but so far it has all been H1N1 - as that is all there is.

Although the H1N1 is killing mostly children and young adults rather than the seniors. So that is another way of keeping track.


47 posted on 11/11/2009 9:57:02 PM PST by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: OldDeckHand

They’ve been beating the pandemic drum for years now.

What is their end game? What do they hope to accomplish?


48 posted on 11/11/2009 10:11:47 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
CDC now says 4,000 swine flu deaths in US

So it's official. More Americans have died from Obama's Flu than from Bush's War.

49 posted on 11/11/2009 10:13:22 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dsc
What is their end game? What do they hope to accomplish?

Can't say for sure but I'd start by looking into who the gummint contracted with to make the vaccine, how much we are paying them, and how much they contributed to the Undocumented Pres--ent's campaign.

50 posted on 11/11/2009 10:14:55 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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