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Forcing People to Buy Health Insurance, It’s Like Making People ‘Sign Up for the Draft’
cnsnews.com ^ | Tuesday, November 10, 2009 | Edwin Mora

Posted on 11/11/2009 4:30:01 PM PST by antonia

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“Specifically where in the Constitution does Congress get its authority to mandate that individuals purchase health insurance?” CNSNews.com asked Reed.

“Let me see,” said Reed. “I would have to check the specific sections, so I’ll have to get back to you on the specific section. But it is not unusual that the Congress has required individuals to do things, like sign up for the draft and do many other things too, which I don’t think are explicitly contained [in the Constitution].

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: draft; healthinsurance; senreed

1 posted on 11/11/2009 4:30:05 PM PST by antonia
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To: antonia

That’s Sen. Reed that is being quoted.


2 posted on 11/11/2009 4:31:10 PM PST by antonia (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. - Edward R. Murrow)
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To: antonia

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=Gd6UZu2GkU


3 posted on 11/11/2009 4:31:54 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: antonia

It’s making people buy something they don’t want to buy. IOW ... a TAX!


4 posted on 11/11/2009 4:33:01 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: antonia

Every congressbilgebag that votes for this is a traitor.


5 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:19 PM PST by TigersEye (0bama is our first Port of Entry President - I hope he goes home.)
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To: antonia

AFAIK, this has always been their talking point for this objection.


6 posted on 11/11/2009 4:43:01 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: antonia
"It’s Like Making People ‘Sign Up for the Draft"

Maybe, if it costs you $10,000 to $15,000 to sign up, and you have to sign up every year.

7 posted on 11/11/2009 4:44:14 PM PST by muddler
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To: antonia
Quick Nevada your squirrel has got out of it's cage.
8 posted on 11/11/2009 4:48:47 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: antonia

So then, in the future, depending upon income or subsidies, it could be mandatory to:

buy a car(s),
a house(s),
a health club membership,
furniture,

add your own...


9 posted on 11/11/2009 4:49:35 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: antonia
No, it's like making people buy the exact same bicycle.

Most folks have a bike and like their own, but don't want the government to take their current bike and force them to buy a government designed bike.

Some very few people have no need of a bike. Too bad, the government is now forcing everyone to buy the government issued bike.

Brings to mind a visual:


10 posted on 11/11/2009 4:49:40 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (America, 1776 - 2009. R.I.P.)
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To: org.whodat
Quick Nevada your squirrel has got out of it's cage.

Not that it matters, but that would be the rEEd from Rhode Island. Or SS-DA Same Stuff-Different Ahole

11 posted on 11/11/2009 4:53:32 PM PST by Post5203 (The ONLY WAY out of this mess is to enact term limits on congress)
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To: antonia

Forcing people to buy ‘health insurance’ is an invitation to early death! (and unconstitutional)


12 posted on 11/11/2009 4:56:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BunnySlippers
Does everybody know how insurance should work? IMHO, everybody participates in basic catastrophic and chronic illness coverage and shares the risk and the cost: everybody should be covered birth to death and costs are kept low because of the great number of participants.

Insurance won't work if it insures only "sick" people. Everyone that can afford it should buy insurance and if you have to threaten them it's OK with me. Poor people,temporarily unemployed and children get financial help. Besides, everyone needs it eventually since we are all mortal. And, an open nationwide market with many insurance companies participating also keeps competition high and costs low. No public option needed at all. And we need serious malpractice reform. Any Questions?

13 posted on 11/11/2009 5:01:31 PM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: antonia

draft? oh.. that’s what they have discussed for those doctors that decide to quit instead of working 80 hrs/week for 1/2 the pay


14 posted on 11/11/2009 5:04:36 PM PST by sten
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To: BunnySlippers

please describe to me the type of person that should not have health insurance (immortal is not a realistic answer).


15 posted on 11/11/2009 5:05:27 PM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: johnandrhonda

People who have come to this country ILLEGALLY thereby breaking our laws. US citizens should not pay for their healthcare. They have healthcare in Mexico and other places.

Please tell me you are not one of “them”.


16 posted on 11/11/2009 5:10:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: johnandrhonda
It's as simple as this, healthcare is a service not a right. It's the people's choice.

Personally, I think there should catastrophic insurance only and everything else is paid out of pocket.
17 posted on 11/11/2009 5:14:37 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Excellent analogy.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 5:15:32 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I could be wrong, there's a 1st time for everthing. ><BCC> NRA)
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To: johnandrhonda

Insurance won’t work if it insures only “sick” people. Everyone that can afford it should buy insurance and if you have to threaten them it’s OK with me.
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It ain’t okay with me though! I prefer the system the founders intended, if you don’t want health insurance you don’t buy any and if you can’t pay when you need medical care you don’t get any unless some kind physician decides to treat you pro bono. To hell with this cradle to grave government running every detail of life, that life isn’t worth living. Do you have any concept of the word FREEDOM?


19 posted on 11/11/2009 5:24:23 PM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: antonia

For what it’s worth, the draft is also unconstitutional (per the 13th Amendment).


20 posted on 11/11/2009 5:26:06 PM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: antonia
It’s Like Making People ‘Sign Up for the Draft

Are they using as precedent to make us buy stuff, the Militia Act of 1792/95 as quoted below?

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia... and ...shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder...

21 posted on 11/11/2009 5:28:41 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: johnandrhonda

please describe to me the type of person that should not have health insurance (immortal is not a realistic answer).
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You miss the whole point, I own a house with no mortgage, I should have fire insurance and I do but the damned government doesn’t tell me that I have to buy fire insurance or pay a fine or go to jail. If I don’t buy insurance and my house burns down and I can’t afford to replace it I should be able to live in a tent on my land. We don’t want to live in a prison camp, okay?


22 posted on 11/11/2009 5:29:54 PM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: antonia

The Constitution has a mandate for the protection of the people with regard to their safety. It has no mandate for making sure that there is a money pool from the taxpayers for the lawyers to dip into with their malpractice lawsuits.

Just examine this: Is there anything in what the Democrats have put together that protects the moneys from the taxes they collect from gigantic lawsuits by malpractice lawyers? It looks to me like the Democrats are avoiding the real problem with medical costs: that being the malpractice lawsuits which is stealing from the country’s medical budget. Ask your doctor when you go next what percentage of what he charges you for a visit goes to insurance. When you find this out, you will be greatly shocked. I am not a doctor. I do civil engineering. If they were suing us like they are suing the doctors, I’d pump gas first.

This is incredible what the Democrats are doing to us. We are working hard to get along. They are going to tax us until there is nothing left to provide this plan. Look to your left, look to your right, where are these rich they are going to get all this magic money from? They’ve been taxing the rich for 50 years. Why do we keep getting hurt in the end?


23 posted on 11/11/2009 5:35:10 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: johnandrhonda

“Everyone that can afford it should buy insurance and if you have to threaten them it’s OK with me.”

Hows about if you can afford it (to be determined by whose wisdom I’m scared to ask) and you don’t have it, you shoulder the bill. If you can’t show that you could afford the payments on the treatment you need, then you don’t get the treatment?

One is going to die sooner or later, so how much should the Gov’t forced insurance coverage pay to keep you alive just because it can be done?

There are the cases where perhaps traffic accidents put one in the ER, or some other special circumstances where treatment is going to happen before payment plans can be secured. If the taxpayers have to cover those types of things it would be a much smaller ding to the average American household’s finance than this camel’s nose in the tent.

The government threatening me to buy insurance (or what will they do to me?) is a lot like the government telling me that I can’t ride a motorcycle, or can’t smoke, or participate in church potlucks, or eat too much pie...


24 posted on 11/11/2009 5:39:31 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I forget the last time I made a mistake. It's handy. ><BCC> NRA)
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To: antonia

Tax evader

Draft dodger

Insurance resister


25 posted on 11/11/2009 5:42:23 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: antonia

Senator Reed is incorrigibly ignorant. Article I,Section 8 expressly gives Congress the power to raise an army. It further gives Congress implied authority to pass any law to carry out their delegated powers. A draft can definitely be seen as a “necessary and proper” function of the federal government in that it is one means of raising an army. To draw some tortured comparison between the constitutionality of the draft and compelling US citizens to purchase a government approved health care policy is idiocy.


26 posted on 11/11/2009 5:43:31 PM PST by hcmama
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To: johnandrhonda
please describe to me the type of person that should not have health insurance

A sufficiently rich person, perhaps, who can pay the medical bills without playing no-win games with a for-profit company?

27 posted on 11/11/2009 5:43:53 PM PST by Greysard
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To: johnandrhonda

The people who don’t want to buy insurance....this is a free country after all, at least it was until Jan 2009!

I have patients who don’t need insurance, don’t want insurance and would never buy insurance. They pay cash for whatever they decide they want or need - make their own decisions and do not need permission from a bean-counter insurance clerk or federal agent deciding for them. Granted, they have plenty of money - but why penalize them or tax them for not purchasing something they don’t need?


28 posted on 11/11/2009 5:50:47 PM PST by Froggie
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To: Froggie

The Missing 13th Amendment


29 posted on 11/11/2009 6:04:50 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

With national health care, doctors will be forced to make bad choices due to government regulations/rationing. The trial lawyers initially will have an orgy of lawsuits once government health care starts to cause this chaos. Good doctors will leave. A doctor shortage will ensue. The standards will be lowered to fill in the shortage, and health care will continue to degrade. Substandard doctors create more health care disasters, so the government steps in and nationalizes all doctors and makes them immune to lawsuits. The trial lawyer orgy ends. To further keep costs down, these national doctors will get peanuts for pay. Hospitals will suffer similarly and likely become nationalized. National doctors and hospitals will be dangerous to your health. Only fools and ignorant people will got to a national doctor or hospital.

If we are lucky, good doctors and hospitals will set up practice in Mexico and we Texans can get there without to much trouble.


30 posted on 11/11/2009 6:20:03 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: johnandrhonda

Everyone that can afford it should buy insurance and if you have to threaten them it’s OK with me

Seriously???

Everyone that can afford food should buy it and if you have to threaten them, its ok with me

Everyone that can afford housing should buy it and if you have to threaten them, its ok with me.

Where will it stop? I refuse to give the government this power over our lives. This country is the land of the free and our government does not dictate - is this what you wish?


31 posted on 11/11/2009 6:21:27 PM PST by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“Some very few people have no need of a bike.”

Most people over 16 don’t have a bike and wouldn’t have one for free!!!


32 posted on 11/11/2009 6:23:12 PM PST by dalereed
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To: KrisKrinkle

Interesting. Was this law ever repealed?


33 posted on 11/11/2009 6:57:13 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission ("Who are the militia? The whole of the people, except for a few politicians...")
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To: antonia
Mr. Reed has always been a commie and had no regard for the Constitution. I am surprised he even knows it exists.If the Constitution gives the government the power to force us to purchase something we do not want, what's to stop them from forcing us to buy oh let's say the ny slimes, or some raffle tickets to a rat fundraiser? Hey why not, it's the next logical step isn't it?
34 posted on 11/11/2009 8:18:14 PM PST by government is the beast
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission
"Was this law ever repealed?"

It was replaced in 1903 by the Dick Act which gave us the National Guard.

The pertinent part is reflected in 10 USC 311 as follows:

10 USC Sec. 311

-EXPCITE-

TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES

Subtitle A - General Military Law

PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS

CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

-HEAD-

Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes

-STATUTE-

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are -

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC 312 lists exemptions.

I don't know what minor adjustments may have been made over the years.

I think other sections of the US Code address equipping the National Guard and so forth.

I don't know of anything that addresses equipping the unorganized militia.

You can search the US Code here: US Code

Wikipedia has an article here: Militia

35 posted on 11/11/2009 8:34:34 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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