Posted on 11/12/2009 4:55:09 AM PST by Travis McGee
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The silent 90% either /a/ are too terrified to speak against the violent 10%, or /b/ they quietly agree with the violent 10%.
So it doesn't matter either way, just as it didn't matter that most Germans in WW2 were just fine "moderate" folk. We had to bomb Germany to rubble to stop the "radical" Germans.
Just as with Germany and Japan our only hope is to defeat the Arabs, cause them to sue for peace, and set the terms. Kill millions if necessary, and it seems to me to be necessary, for that is what they intend to do, kill millions of us! Wake up.
The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)
and
The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam's Threat to the West (Lee Harris)
These volumes are only two of many recent works on the sad, bloody, murderous history of one of the world's worst mental disorders. Idlam isa disease. you don't negotiate with cancer. You extirpate it with therapies that amount to choice between the lesser of two evils. The survival of our civilization depends upon our recognition of the abomination that is Islam and treating it like the foul disease that that it is.
You are correct - Islam reformed is no longer Islam.
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Does a bear?
If people would just take the trouble to study Islam and Mohammed for a few hours, the conclusion is inescapable. The Koran is full of demands for submission. The authoritative teachers of Islam teach that Allah is totally arbitrary and does not allow free will. And Mohammed himself set the example for rape, murder, slave-taking, oath-breaking, pederasty, conquest, cruelty to women, and all the other evils that Islam has performed in the world for more than a thousand years.
The Hebrew Bible has many prophets and the New Testament has the Apostles and others besides Jesus.
But Muhammad is the only person of consequence in the Koran
And all Muslims are supposed to emulate his life which is described by Islam as the most perfect life ever lived and worthy of emulation by all mankind. Is this crazy or what?
The problem with Islam is that it is based on the life of this false prophet
Anyone who has to actually ask this question is to dumb to live. The answer, BTW, is yes, islam(no capital for the cult)promotes violence.
Totally. The Koran is replete with quote after quote promoting violence in the name of Allah and Islam.
Islam is violence..
So do I, and I told my muslim colleague the same thing. While a handful of muslims have made comments about the terrorists "hijacking" their religion, they still haven't spoken out against them and separated themselves from the terrorists. As you pointed out, their silence implies tacit agreement with the terrorists.
I am a trainer and, over the past couple of years have had several muslim students in my class. During the breaks in the course, some of the students have asked me about why America has declared war on muslims?
The phrasing of the question, itself, is most interesting because they are essentially spouting the philosophy of their own "news" outlets, such as al-Jazzera. They cannot grasp the concept that we are there to end oppression and tyranny and FREE their fellow muslims. Because of their own culture, they are suspicious of any act of kindness toward them.
Despite my explanations that we have not and would never declare war on a religion, per se, they walk away still believing that we are indoctrinated to not see what is obvious to them. IOW, they don't grasp the very fundamental concept that they are on American soil, attending training at an American company and, if we were truly at war against Islam, they would have been arrested as soon as they landed and sent to an internment camp.
So, from the standpoint of the PR war, the extremists in the ME have already won. However, the work our military does, particularly in Iraq, building schools, hospitals, re-establishing infrastructure such as water, sewage and electricity as well as roads, goes unnoticed by the Arab MSM.
If we are truly honest, we have to acknowledge that we don't understand the Arab culture (not that I'm sure we want to) and have made some mistakes. But, the end game, IMO, remains the same as it has always been for America - free oppressed people, establish a democratic form of government and, when the country is stable, take our toys and our military and go home. That remains another concept they don't grasp.
I rambled a little far afield from the original question, but I think these are important issues to consider in the overall equation. There is much more than just Islam and the teachings of the Koran going on. Many of the passages I have seen quoted here on FR tend to be ambiguous and can be interpreted in different ways - just like the "predictions" of Nostradamus. We see the words and think one thing, but we lack the context that is brought to those words by the Arab and muslim cultures, themselves.
Finally, there is the history of Islam to consider, as well. Islam and muslims were a predominant force in the Crusades in which they sought world domination and, with 1.5 billion muslims today, it is not hard to believe that we are involved in the start of the second Crusades. So, from the standpoint of history, there is not a good record that supports the whole Islam is the religion of peace nonsense. But, the question must also be asked, were the Crusades fought by muslims seeking world domination by destroying the Catholic church, or was it fought by Arabs who also happened to be muslims?? I'm not sure that the answer to that question is as clear.
Please my response at post #72.
Islam stopped being an exclusively Arab phenomonon very early. Those living in Morocco were Berbers, Persians were not Arab, nor were Indians etc.
Islam is an extremely well constructed death cult, designed to spread like a virus.
L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology at first as a joke or bet among friends. He bet that he could create a new fake religion, a closed system based on mind control that would become self-propogating. He did, and it still is, decades after Hubbard died.
Islam makes Scientology seem like a kindergarten prank. This self-propogating death cult is still going strong after 1400 years. It is spread by violence, and maintained by strict mind control.
For example, that is what the praying publicly 5X a day is about. Group mind control. “Abdul, did you forget to pray?”
"And somebody, like I said yesterday, somebody needs to grab the Muslim world by the shirt collar, backhand it a good one, knock it into the damn corner and say straighten up or we're gonna eradicate you beetles from the face of the Earth. … "
-- Neil Boortz
Honor killings, torture, acid in the face, female genital abuse,murder Christians etc, Doesn’t sound Amish does it?
Sorry, but first thing that comes to mind in response to the question is...does a bear defecate in the woods?
That would be an interesting question to ask them...that is, if America were at war with Islam, and they were muslim then what treatment would they expect in America and if that was in keeping with the facts.
They are not really asking a question, and don't really expect you to have an answer. When they say that, they are intending that the listener disavow personally having any aggressive intentions against Islam.
It is part of jihad: put the non-Muslim on the defensive in any discussion.
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