912: AMERICA AWAKES IN 2009
Posted on 11/12/2009 10:18:14 AM PST by McGruff
Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party nominee who lost to Democrat Bill Owens in New York’s special election last week, says he is “seriously considering” another run for the seat.
Hoffman told the conservative Human Events newspaper in a story published Thursday that after losing 49 percent to 47 percent, he is assessing his chances of defeating Owens next year.
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What district?
Maybe he should also be considering his 2009 bid, as the race tightens.
whatever district DeDe runs in.
Hoffman did not win because this was a nationalized race. Local residents, especially in rural districts, resent it when outsiders come in and tell them who to vote for. Hoffman did not have the knowledge of the local issues to win, especially when he was screwed by the RINO.
Being against Bacrock Obama isn't enough. Being against Bacrock Obama and able to take care of the local affairs against a sold out and beltwayized Bill Owens should be enough. The perfect fit for the district would be a McHugh clone.
He did concede too quick. IMHO
Run on the GOP ticket this time Doug.
The side that said that Hoffman would give the race to the Rats?
He did.
During the selection process, there were 8 conservatives and Dede in consideration for the nomination. Of the 8 conservatives, Hoffman finished last.
Hoffman got the Conservative line because he was the only one who broke his promise NOT to run against whomever got the Republican nod. He made himself available to Mike Long, head of the NY Conservative Party, who had promised his line to anyone BUT Dede.
I have no problem with him changing his mind on his pledge - none whatsoever - but I question whether or not he is the best Conservative nominee for the job.
It looks as if that still remains to be seen, and it already appears that if ANYBODY gave the race to the Rats it was the idiots that chose DeDe in the first place and DeDe herself.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. He did live in the district before redistricting and his business is located in the district. It's not like he lives in Illinois or something, geez.
So would you rather be fighting a Scuzzy incumbent next year in the primaries, or spend that energy on the general election?
No, it doesn't. Whether or not the Rats eventually relinquish the seat, they have it now.
The millions squandered on Hoffman could fund a number of races.
They have an uncertified seat now, and it remains to be seen as to whether they will have that seat for the remainder of this session of Congress.
The race was between Hoffman and Owens, the spoiler in this race was the candidate that only drew 5% and threw her support behind one of her opponents, giving him a narrow win.
I’m not talking money per se. Would you rather be fighting Scuzzy in the primaries next year, where she’d likely win (because incumbents usually do)?
Or have a chance with a candidate that represents more Republican values?
It’s a GOP district, it’s not like it’s Cao’s district in New Orleans. We can win it back (until redistricting). At least now though, Scuzzy isn’t guaranteed a seat next year.
Big deal, we have to put up with one more Democrat vote in the house for a year in exchange for not getting a RINO next year. News flash, health care would have passed anyway.
Hoffman was the 3rd party spoiler that lost the race. And then to add insult to injury, he conceded the race before it was certified to help Pelosi get Owens seated even earlier.
I suggest he ensure he actually lives in the district he wants to represent.
Interestingly enough, it was DeDe who played spoiler. Had she not dropped out Hoffman wins. Wonder what Pelosi, Obama, Patterson promised her.
We'll never know. Hoffman's surrender helped guarantee that.
Sorry but when two candidates have a 46% to 49% race then you cannot call one of them the spoiler.
If there is a spoiler then you have to go looking at who was the actual “third party” in that race and that candidate will be the one drawing away the miniscule 5% that put a winner in office with less than 50%.
Hoffman soared in the polls when she dropped out.
I called it before Hoffman lost it.
He was leading in the polls when she dropped out, which is why she dropped out.
Then there was the last minute endorsement of Owens.
She’s to thank for PelosiCare. Actually, Pelosi would have just got one of the bluedogs to vote for it if she needed one more vote.
Doesn’t matter what you called, Hoffman lost narrowly because there was a “third party” spoiler in the race that interfered in the race between the democrat and the conservative party candidates.
No, the NY-23 Siena Poll had it at Hoffman 35, Owens 36, Scozzafava 20 before she dropped out. Polls made after the drop out showed Hoffman (erroneously) with a lead.
Yep, Hoffman, running on the CP ticket. Which advised him to concede.
For sure. The last few days polls were erroneous. Of course now we know they were not as widly off as they appeared on election night.
Bottom line is this Scoz tipped the race to Owens.
Hoffman never surrendered. The RNC's candidate did. And it passed by two votes, one more than the number of candidates that were elected in NY-23.
I’m sure more than one person is going to point this out, Hoffman wasn’t in the district because they MOVED THE LINES. Not because he wasn’t local. You watch the MSM a little too much..
The decision to concede was Hoffman’s. The CP “leadership” didn’t want to delay Owens from taking office.
Hoffman "soared" 6 points in the following Siena poll after Dede dropped out, making it 41% Hoffman, 36% Owens and 6% Dede.
"The Siena College poll has Owens picking up 36 percent of the vote, while Hoffman has 35 percent. Scozzafava has 20 percent, with nine percent of voters undecided.
It's a turnaround from the first Siena poll on the race in September, which had Scozzafava leading, followed by Owens and Hoffman.
Scozzafava's team pulled the plug on the campaign after viewing the Siena poll, sources told Fox News, adding that there was no pressure from the National Republican Congressional Committee or the Republican National Committee."
Of course he did. He conceded the race.
So instead of a 3 point loss, he would have had a 9 point loss.
I notice that you just keep slipping around when people show you that you are wrong, you just glide over to something else.
Dede Scozzafava was a 5% spoiler that gave a congressional seat to the democrats.
So you keep saying. Hoffman rose in the polls when she dropped out.
He lost. I wouldn't consider conceding "surrendering" when he lost the election (despite the news that we see here that likely won't pan out).
Check this out:
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html
If it is breaking news worthy please put in....not sure if it has already been posted today....
The votes were not counted or certified. Hoffman surrendered because his campaign advisor told him he would look like a "sore loser" if he waited.
Precisely. He never addressed my point that next year, we'd be fighting a Scuzzy incumbent in the primaries and likely lose, thus pitting Lib v. Lib for a long time.
Now, we get to have a fighting chance of putting someone good on the Republican ticket.
It's not like Alan Keyes moving to Illinois to run against Bacrock Obama, but Hoffman's not in the district, and more importantly did not know a lot of the unique local issue in Watertown, Plattsburg, etc. That's where he lost. He nationalized the race, and in his defense, he probably had to in the last election because DeDe was such a poor candidate for the GOP.
Of course his numbers rose some, for a variety of reasons, including the spoiler dropping out.
From that article:
“That’s the thing that threw us off,” Ryan said.
Oswego County elections officials blame the mistakes on “chaos” in their call-in center that included a phone system foul-up and inspectors who read numbers incorrectly when phoning in results. Of 245 races in the county — not including the congressional and court races — 84 had incorrect totals reported election night.
In the congressional race, more votes were cast in Oswego County than any other in the 11-county district.
Your spoiler candidate actually dropped out of the race itself and endorsed the democrat, yet you seem more angry at Hoffman.
What sort of objectives do you people have when you feel you need to lie to obtain them? Dede Scozzafava dropped out due to intense and vicious right wing pressure and slander. Viguerie circulated a petition nationwide, which was posted here on FR, calling on her to drop out and slandering her with lies.
How many of you Dork Hoffman fans and Dede-bashers actually took a look at her voting record for yourselves? She has SERVED in the NY Assembly for 11 years, is a mother, a church member, basically a pillar of the community. Isn't that the kind of American we want to represent us? Someone who has shown dedication to public service. Hoffman had zip track record.
Instead of looking at her strong record of voting to cut spending and ensure gun rights, among other issues important to Republicans, one view of hers was extracted and that is her pro-choice view. But that wasn't enough. She was smeared as having ties to ACORN and SEIU, and that nutjob Michelle Malkin called her a "radical leftist."
I've never seen such a display of ignorant herd mentality, and it doesn't speak well for any Republican public figure who "endorsed" Hoffman either.
Which helped Hoffman in the polls. He lost anyway. And then he conceded as gift to Pelosi.
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