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Move afoot to outlaw divorce
One News Now ^ | 11/12/2009 | Charlie Butts

Posted on 11/13/2009 10:10:22 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

A California man wants divorce outlawed.

John Marcotte has filed for a ballot initiative to protect traditional marriage in the state of California as an extension of the work related to Proposition 8, the voter-approved constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between one man and one woman. In essence, Marcotte's project would legally ban divorce.

"Marriage is an important and sacred institution, and I'm just trying to safeguard it in really the most direct way possible," he states.

He says he needs the help of California's registered voters in acquiring "700,000 valid signatures, which likely translates into 1,000,000 [signatures] total." He further reports that he only has about five months to gather that support for the 2010 California Marriage Protection Act.

(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturewar; divorce; gaystapotactics; homosexualagenda; johnmarcotte; moralabsolutes; prankster; prop8; samesexmarriage; stalinisttactics; traditionalmarriage
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As goes the American Family.....

So goes America.

1 posted on 11/13/2009 10:10:28 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

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2 posted on 11/13/2009 10:12:21 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Marcotte's project would legally ban divorce.

Probably the only for him to keep his wife.

3 posted on 11/13/2009 10:13:24 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Good idea.

To really liven up the party, we can make it retroactive.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 10:13:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Responsibility2nd

So anyone trying to leave an abusive spouse or a cheater will be SOL?

I think this is taking the marriage debate a little far.


5 posted on 11/13/2009 10:15:46 AM PST by JenB987
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To: Responsibility2nd

Stupid.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 10:15:46 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Responsibility2nd
Why is divorce so expensive?

Because it's worth it.

7 posted on 11/13/2009 10:15:49 AM PST by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Tilting at windmills, I think, but it would be a good thing to do away with the whole “no-fault” divorce idea.


8 posted on 11/13/2009 10:15:52 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Marriage should not be a life sentence.


9 posted on 11/13/2009 10:16:04 AM PST by maro (Repeal the 8th Amendment)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Whether this dude is a homosexual or not, he is deliberately serving the homosexual agenda:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:TJZ-HHxMVjoJ:boingboing.net/2009/09/10/interview-with-john.html+%22John+Marcotte%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

“People who supported Prop 8 weren’t trying to take rights away from gays, they just wanted to protect traditional marriage. That’s why I’m confident that they will support this initiative, even though this time it will be their rights that are diminished.”


10 posted on 11/13/2009 10:16:20 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Then only outlaws will get divorced.

(but will Kennedys still get annulments?)


11 posted on 11/13/2009 10:16:51 AM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This isn’t going to happen.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 10:17:08 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’d support such a law. And I bet a lot fewer people would get married. We would come face to face with the full impact of the word “committment”.


13 posted on 11/13/2009 10:17:11 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If divorce is outlawed, I predict the murder rate will go up.


14 posted on 11/13/2009 10:17:15 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Ramius

He isn’t advocating this because he thinks divorce hurts families or the institution of marriage. He is trying to point out the “hypocrisy” of those who stand opposed to same sex marriage.


15 posted on 11/13/2009 10:18:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: mollynme
If divorce is outlawed, I predict the murder rate will go up.

As would the suicide rate. I know I'd rather be dead than still married to my X.
16 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:19 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Spot on.


17 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:25 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

if divorce is outlawed, only outlaws will get divorced.


18 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:25 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I am 100 percent for this law!!!!! I pray that it passes. Unfortunately Americans are so immoral that divorce has become a way of life. VERY SAD!!!!


19 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:53 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: RobRoy

There are enough Hollywood bastards running around that couples there don’t NEED to get “married”.


20 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: wagglebee

Moral absolutes PING


21 posted on 11/13/2009 10:20:49 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: Responsibility2nd
the government has no more business in peoples marriages than they do their healthcare
22 posted on 11/13/2009 10:21:04 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: JenB987

Maybe this would make people think instead of just going into a marriage without knowing the spouse. People get married out of obligation and then wonder what happened when they wake up with a black eye.


23 posted on 11/13/2009 10:21:28 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: JenB987

>>So anyone trying to leave an abusive spouse or a cheater will be SOL?<<

Yep.

I have no problem with that. God’s laws are above man’s. People would think twice about getting married. And those that did would hopefully understand that they are making a commitment before God and man that they are joining themself “until death” to another human being.

With true commitment comes responsibility, and risk.

The risk is significant, but with great risk comes great rewards.


24 posted on 11/13/2009 10:21:43 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Nonstatist

Elizabeth Taylor is that you.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 10:22:09 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: indylindy
This isn’t going to happen.

If not, then the femi-nazi's that control our courts will have won.

26 posted on 11/13/2009 10:22:23 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

As long as they don’t outlaw shacking up. /S


27 posted on 11/13/2009 10:22:50 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Bad Idea! This goes nowhere.


28 posted on 11/13/2009 10:23:02 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Dr.Zoidberg; mollynme

So now I’m praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you
I don’t think that I can really survive
I’ll never break my promise or forget my vow
But God only knows what I can do right now
I’m praying for the end of time
It’s all that I can do
Praying for the end of time, so I can end my time with you!!!


29 posted on 11/13/2009 10:24:05 AM PST by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Go ahead...just DO NOT make it retroactive!!!! My first wife was a monster.


30 posted on 11/13/2009 10:24:41 AM PST by IrishPennant (If you can accept losing, you can't win. ~ Vince Lombardi)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Face it, divorce will not be outlawed. Nobody would marry and attorneys would lose a source of revenue.


31 posted on 11/13/2009 10:24:46 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: paul51

I suppose you are pro-abortion too.


32 posted on 11/13/2009 10:25:31 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Even God allows divorce under certain and specific cases.


33 posted on 11/13/2009 10:26:21 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: a fool in paradise
He is trying to point out the “hypocrisy” of those who stand opposed to same sex marriage.

Exactly. Typical liberal meta-hypocrisy (i.e. you're a hypocrite for not being perfect before you tell me I'm wrong when I can't defend my own position). They preen in front of mirrors and tell themselves they're brilliant for this kind of crap.

Bring back dueling, says I. That'll shut the cowardly liberal foul mouth.


34 posted on 11/13/2009 10:26:59 AM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: indylindy

Divorce may not be outlawd, but at least the State could and should TAX the idiots who do divorce.

Divorce costs this country plenty. And if you want a divorce, you should pay a Divorce Tax.


35 posted on 11/13/2009 10:28:39 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wanna end divorce???

Tax all child support and alimony receipts [Fed and State]


36 posted on 11/13/2009 10:28:47 AM PST by fifthvirginia (keeping their memory green)
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To: mollynme

LOL!!!!!


37 posted on 11/13/2009 10:29:05 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Bet he’s a gay guy thinking this is a way to enact revenge on hetero couples. “You want to be married forever? Well we’ll make you sure you are!”

Like >99% of butt pirates only want to be with THE SAME GUY forever. Riiiiight. That’s what gays are known for. Monogamy.


38 posted on 11/13/2009 10:30:53 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: fifthvirginia

Yep.

What I just said in post #35.

Tax and penalize divorce. That is a time tested way to decrease anything.


39 posted on 11/13/2009 10:31:51 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Don’t think the press is into “sensationalism”...then why are the rantings of one nut in California considered “a move afoot”?


40 posted on 11/13/2009 10:32:04 AM PST by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
From .. A LECTURE UPON THE SHADOW. by John Donne

Love is a growing, or full constant light, And his short minute, after noon, is night.

41 posted on 11/13/2009 10:32:14 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: RobRoy

Not much room for human error in your black and white world is their?
Biggest effect of outlawing divorce would be to make live-in couples and illegitimacy the norm. People who are married tend to work a lot harder at making a relationship work than cohabiting couples, which is much better if their are children involved. However, you aren’t leaving much of a way out for people in a marriage that is utterly beyond redemption, short of murder or spousal abandonment....


42 posted on 11/13/2009 10:32:56 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Responsibility2nd
Our Lord said:
"And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, and saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, Made them male and female? And he said: For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.

"Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away? He saith to them: Because Moses by reason of the hardness of your heart permitted you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery." (Matthew 19:3-9)

The Catholic Church echoes our Lord in its teaching on marriage and divorce:

Adultery, divorce, polygamy, and free union are grave offenses against the dignity of marriage. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 3)

In his preaching Jesus unequivocally taught the original meaning of the union of man and woman as the Creator willed it from the beginning permission given by Moses to divorce one's wife was a concession to the hardness of hearts. The matrimonial union of man and woman is indissoluble: God himself has determined it "what therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 2, Section 2, Chapter 3, Article 7, Heading 5)

Divorce is immoral also because it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 2)

It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 2)

The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.

If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 2)

Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other till death. Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery:

If a husband, separated from his wife, approaches another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery, and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.
(Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 2)

Divorce is evil. Divorce laws in each state should be rewritten to end no-fault divorces and revert the grounds for divorce to the status quo ante 1975.

43 posted on 11/13/2009 10:32:57 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Nonstatist

“Stupid.”

It is California. :-)


44 posted on 11/13/2009 10:34:02 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This will lead to a jump in the murder rate.


45 posted on 11/13/2009 10:34:19 AM PST by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: Secret Agent Man; a fool in paradise

a fool in paradise has already posted - several times - this idea. See replies upthread.

And I don’t know. Don’t care actually. The basic idea - the basic premise is a sound one.

Who cares who the messenger is.


46 posted on 11/13/2009 10:34:22 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (The grammer police - I ain't not.)
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To: fifthvirginia

I wouldn’t ban divorce - and also I think this guy has a different agenda here.

I would however, have no problem with getting rid of “no fault” divorce. THAT has made divorce so much more easier and a cavalier option.

I would also list things like adultery and abandonment to once again be valid fault reasons for divorce.


47 posted on 11/13/2009 10:35:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

See post 47.


48 posted on 11/13/2009 10:35:51 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Right, NO FAULT DIVORCE poses a problem.

And adultery is a violation of the terms of marriage (a legal proceeding). But it was decriminalized.


49 posted on 11/13/2009 10:36:30 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: maro

Then don’t take the vows. The vows I took said that it was for life.


50 posted on 11/13/2009 10:38:33 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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