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Members of Congress Claim Back Alley Abortions Will Happen Without Tax Funds
Life News ^ | 11/13/09 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/13/2009 4:29:12 PM PST by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- To hear pro-abortion members of Congress tell the story last weekend, women will head to the back alleys to have abortions unless they can get taxpayer funding for their abortions. Those were the unfounded claims presented during the House debate on the Stupak amendment.

Rep. Barbara Lee, a California Democrat, said during the debate, "This amendment takes us one step back to those dark days of back-alley abortions"

Jane Harmon, another California Democrat, added, "I am old enough to remember the days of back alley abortions. Some women I know had them. I cannot bear the idea that the 111th Congress would restore that horror."

Even men such as Florida Democrat Alcee Hastings said he foresaw a "a return to the dark ages."

Then, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, speaking on the Senate floor in the days after the Stupak amendment was adopted, also claimed it would force women to "return to back-alley providers."

Terry O’Neill, the president of the National Organization of Women, echoed the false claims by saying that it is "not acceptable' to have a bill with an abortion funding ban that is "pushing women back into the back alleys to die.”

The Stupak amendment, she claims, “does just that.”

Never mind that the Guttmacher Institute, the former Planned Parenthood research affiliate that still supports legalized abortion, indicates only 13 percent of women get their abortions paid for with insurance funds.

Never mind that the Hyde amendment, prohibiting direct federal taxpayer funding for abortions through the Medicaid program, has been in place since the 1970s without any evidence of women resorting to self-administered abortions.

Ramesh Ponnuru, a writer at National Review, noticed the bogus claims.

"Is there any evidence that the ban on federal Medicaid funding for abortion has had any such effect over the past three decades?" he wondered.

The pro-abortion movement has always used illegal abortion myths to make its case, though usually against prohibiting abortions and not their funding.

The argument that hundreds of thousands of women died in illegal abortions prior to the Roe v. Wade decision, which allowed virtually unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy for any reason, is untrue.

NARAL's own co-founder, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, admits the organization lied about the number of women who died from legal abortions when testifying before the Supreme Court in 1972.

"We spoke of 5,000 - 10,000 deaths a year.... I confess that I knew the figures were totally false ... it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" he said.

According to figures from the National Center for Health Statistics and the Center for Disease Control, women continued to die from abortions -- even after they became legal nationwide.

The numbers show legalizing abortion didn't make it any safer as 25 women died from legal abortions in 1973, 25 in 1974, and 29 in 1975.

From 1976 through 1987, another 135 women died from legal abortions -- although some observers suspect the numbers are very low estimates because not all deaths are reported.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; childmurder; feminazi; moralabsolutes; proabortionfeminazi; prolife
NARAL's own co-founder, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, admits the organization lied about the number of women who died from legal abortions when testifying before the Supreme Court in 1972.

"We spoke of 5,000 - 10,000 deaths a year.... I confess that I knew the figures were totally false ... it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" he said.

In other words, they were willing to say ANYTHING in order to kill more babies.

1 posted on 11/13/2009 4:29:14 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/13/2009 4:29:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/13/2009 4:30:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

This is the same CRAP they said in order to get Roe vs Wade.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 4:31:03 PM PST by Mister Muggles (Seattle: a city full of liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: wagglebee

By the same logic, if back alley abortions are not funded by Congress, they should not happen!


5 posted on 11/13/2009 4:31:18 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: wagglebee

That’s bullshit! If they really want free abortions, they can always seek out state funds. California requires state funding for abortions, via the state Supreme Court. Setting aside the obvious, that killing babies was never meant to be a Federal entitlement, the Federal government doesn’t have the funds to spend like that.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 4:32:08 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Mister Muggles

Abortions belong in the back alley or no where.


7 posted on 11/13/2009 4:32:20 PM PST by votemout
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To: wagglebee

They always drag out that old, tired canard.


8 posted on 11/13/2009 4:33:37 PM PST by bboop (Tar and feathers -- good back then, good now)
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To: wagglebee

Let the leftists pay for abortions, not me. That’s my money they are talking about.


9 posted on 11/13/2009 4:33:42 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: wagglebee; monkapotamus; All

Wagglebee these aging NAGs are so full of it known fact here in my state it mess up law that Cali have fund abortion on demand thanks to my stupid state Supreme court


10 posted on 11/13/2009 4:34:11 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, the same crowd said if the seniors voted for Republicans they’d lose their health benefits.


11 posted on 11/13/2009 4:34:16 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( The Patriot's Flag at "http://www.thepatriotsflag.com/)
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To: wagglebee

Since these people tend to be polar opposites of conservatives, they never think of free markets or (gasp) the own personal donation of their own money. Not that this would make abortion any less abominable, but it would lessen their hypocrisy a great deal.


12 posted on 11/13/2009 4:35:05 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: wagglebee

The extremely lucrative Baby Murder Industry pays Big Money to these democrats to lie.


13 posted on 11/13/2009 4:35:27 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Socialism is an opportunistic infection of the body politic. It occurs when defenses are low.)
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To: votemout

Excellent!


14 posted on 11/13/2009 4:35:37 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: votemout

To the murdered baby, the location of the abortion is of little consequence.


15 posted on 11/13/2009 4:36:30 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: wagglebee

Yeah, and they used to tell us that abortion would be “legal, safe and RARE” too.

RARE at 1.5-2 million abortions a year for what, 35 years now? So I guess we’re suppose to believe that 1.5-2 million back alley abortions a year will result now?


16 posted on 11/13/2009 4:36:46 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: wagglebee

Well at least they won’t have to go to Mexico for them because Mexico is in our alleys as I speak...


17 posted on 11/13/2009 4:37:22 PM PST by tubebender (jr on the pole)
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To: wagglebee
Nonsense. All federal law says is you can't use taxpayers' money to pay for an abortion.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

18 posted on 11/13/2009 4:38:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: doc1019

Thus, my nowhere comment.


19 posted on 11/13/2009 4:39:24 PM PST by votemout
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To: wagglebee

When will Americans stand up against abortion?


20 posted on 11/13/2009 4:39:56 PM PST by stockpirate ("if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you." Rhodes Othkprs)
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To: votemout

AMEN!


21 posted on 11/13/2009 4:41:01 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: wagglebee

After 37 years and millions of abortions they still have the guts to trot out the back alley abortion defense.


22 posted on 11/13/2009 4:41:55 PM PST by Toespi
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To: wagglebee

And this is my problem how?


23 posted on 11/13/2009 4:43:04 PM PST by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: wagglebee
Meanwhile...

Analysis: HB 2354 Would Grant Immunity to Doctors Who Botch Abortions and Harm Women: A “Get Out of Jail Free Card” For Criminally-Liable Abortionists

24 posted on 11/13/2009 4:43:34 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wagglebee

So if we (the taxpayers) don’t fund legal abortions, the poor will go into back alleys for abortions. This is the height of illogic. If they don’t have the money to pay for a legal abortion, how are they going to get the money to pay for an illegal abortion? By definition, an illegal abortion will cost more, because of the risk of getting caught.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 4:44:09 PM PST by BruceS
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To: stockpirate

I plan to stand against it in the next election and I see that the Eagle Forum has endorsed my congressional choice along with an all star list of great Americans.


26 posted on 11/13/2009 4:45:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: wagglebee

I was pro-life...until Obummer was born in Kenya.


27 posted on 11/13/2009 4:47:33 PM PST by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Turn Home Depot's into the prisons to hold the illegals!.)
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To: wagglebee

Well if they head to back alleys for abortions just to save a few bucks, then so be it.


28 posted on 11/13/2009 4:55:14 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: wagglebee
Here's a clue for those stupid women who want us to pay for an abortion. Use birth control. It is cheap compared to abortions and you don't have to get pregnant before you use it and it is pain free.

Another BS excuse trying to justify sticking the taxpayer for abortion. Our mistake is letting the health care debate turn into an abortion debate when the real debate is that nationalized health care is unconstitutional.

29 posted on 11/13/2009 5:02:04 PM PST by calex59
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To: calex59
Here's a clue for those stupid women who want us to pay for an abortion. Use birth control. It is cheap compared to abortions and you don't have to get pregnant before you use it and it is pain free.

Ditto for men.
30 posted on 11/13/2009 5:18:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: wagglebee

Shortage of wire coat hangers soon to follow < / Sarc


31 posted on 11/13/2009 5:24:16 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat
Shortage of wire coat hangers soon to follow


32 posted on 11/13/2009 5:31:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SandRat
How many abortions aka "murders" were there in the 50 years preceeding Roe vs Wade....

The idea that our government would condone this in any way is mind boggling.

Trying killing a two year old because it is inconvenient.

33 posted on 11/13/2009 5:34:48 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: wagglebee
Rep. Barbara Lee, a California Democrat, said during the debate, "This amendment takes us one step back to those dark days of back-alley abortions"

Strange. Wouldn't it be better if it was done on the q.t. in doctors' offices, like before Roe? </sarcasm>

34 posted on 11/13/2009 5:50:10 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: wagglebee

Planned Abortionhood IS a back alley.


35 posted on 11/13/2009 6:00:55 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: wagglebee

What I get out of what they have said is that healthcare will cost us so much money each that no one will have the $600 to spend? Did I misunderstand somehow?


36 posted on 11/13/2009 6:04:20 PM PST by chris_bdba
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37 posted on 11/15/2009 10:59:54 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, and the rest, never talk about the women who die from LEGAL abortions, or the countless women who are coerced into having abortions and are troubled by their abortions for years to come.

Abortion: 1 dead; 1 wounded.


38 posted on 11/15/2009 2:15:51 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: wagglebee

They would have to pay for the back alley abortion as well. Idiots.


39 posted on 11/15/2009 6:25:11 PM PST by imskylark
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To: votemout

“belong in the back alley or no where.”

No where.


40 posted on 11/15/2009 6:26:19 PM PST by imskylark
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To: wagglebee

>>Members of Congress Claim Back Alley Abortions Will Happen Without Tax Funds<<

An liquor stores and 7-11’s get knocked off without free money.

We still should not be giving away free money.


41 posted on 11/15/2009 6:27:25 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: wagglebee

Besides all that, the so-called ‘back alley abortions’ didn’t happen because of lack of money; the happened because abortion was not legal and had to be obtained in secret and from unreliable people.


42 posted on 11/15/2009 6:37:17 PM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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