Skip to comments.What White Women Want, Surprisingly the GOP
Posted on 11/13/2009 9:55:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
This week, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida Democrat, told reporters the GOP offers a "back-of-the-hand treatment to women." Later she said two conservative female representatives only serve to further "repulse women." You see, Schultz said on MSNBC, Republicans "don't really get very many women when it comes to elections."
The week before, in Virginia, the Republican gubernatorial candidate won women. And in blue New Jersey, the Republican lost women but won white women by 18 percentage points.
Last year, John McCain won a majority of the white female vote. They sum to more than 25 million women. Democrats, so many forget, have not won a majority of white women since 1964.
Few subjects evoke more wrongheaded conventional wisdom than the gender gap. Consider a more common expression of the same factoid. In Democratic commenter Steve McMahon's words, "the Republican party is becoming, regressing to become, a white male southern party." NPR's Juan Williams said the GOP was a "regional southern party of white men." Even Republican strategist Mike Murphy called his GOP "the party of white males." Or as BBC's Katty Kay framed the danger, Republicans "don't want to end up being the party of white men."
The white part is correct. It goes without saying that Republicans must, foremost, win new minority voters. And Republicans do fare significantly better with white men than women. But take BBC's Kay. She's a fair-minded pundit and has written a book about women. But even Kay overlooks that the GOP consistently wins white women.(continued)
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Comments. White women have good sense.
The only thing worse than believing your own propaganda is believing that of you enemy.
I like white women.
I did not know this.
“I like white women.”
Me too.....I’m married to one.
Wild, willing, white women are the best!
Especially conservative ones. Small l Libertarians are OK, too.
Liberal women are so lame, you're not even sure when you've had sex with 'em. Ask Bill Clinton.
White women want security, and they want to be left alone to manage their families as they see fit.
The gop could, in theory, win every single election for the next 40 to 50 years if they could find a way of winning 75 or 80 percent of the white vote, and they wouldn’t need a single minority vote. Even though whites now make up only 66 percent of the population whites still make up about 75 percent of the voters. Take a look at TX, McCain-Palin won by 15 points, yet whites make up only 49 percent of the population or maybe even less, and it wasn’t because blacks and mexicans were busy voting for McCain, it’s just that whites turned out to vote in large numbers, and they overwhelmingly voted as a block. It’s also interesting to note that Alabama had the lowest rate of whites voting for 0bama, only about 10 percent, 90 percent voted McCain.
Christie won in NJ because of higher than average white turnout and average to below average minority turnout.
No one can out pander the democrats, so it’s unlikely that the repubs can really attract much more than 10 percent of the black vote, which only translates into about 1.3 percent of the total vote, and maybe 30 percent of the hispanic vote, which translates into only about 2 percent of total vote. It seems like it would be much easier to attract white voters. The old saying, fish where the fish are, rings true in this case.
Even in a year when Indies supposedly abandoned the Republicans, the truth is that Barack 0bama did not get a majority of white voters. Yet we don't ever hear about how the Democrats have to appeal to more whites. The gender gap you never hear about is among white males. Democrats have a very serious problem in that demographic. But you aren't going to ever hear analysts reflect on how white males have bailed on the Party.
Women versus wymmyn.
Last year, Obama made gains with white men compared to Al Gore. But Obama fared worse than Gore with white women. As for the much-discussed white suburban women’s vote, they went to McCain.
Hmm...I wonder why that might have been?
We know women vote on the economy and domestic issues. The economy was by far the top issue last year. To be blunt, it sucked under Bush in 2008. Bush’s approval was in the 20s for much of the year. The Obama campaign targeted these white women and suburban white women. They spent more money and aired more ads than any other candidate in history on them. He got more positive media coverage than any candidate in history, especially on programs and magazines that white women consume a lot of.
All that...and he still lost them 53-46, the same margin he won overall by, so a 14 pt difference. From +7 in the general electorat to -7 among white women. And that was with all he had going for him including the total economic implosion and market crash of Septemebr and October or it would have been a much bigger margin.
But it would be a mistake, as is true of men as well, to limit the GOP’s white female appeal to the South. Consider that McCain won a majority of working class white women in the Midwest and West.
Again, I wonder what might have had a role in that?
And now according to Gallup white women are already at around 50% disapproval.
If McCain had done even a few pts better among white women which he was well on his way to doing before the crash he’d have won comfortably. The GOP can win comfortably in 2012 once the 3-5 pts worth of white women who switched to Obama after the collapse in a state of panic and frustration at Bush and the GOP realize their mistake and switch back.
So Debbie Wasserman Schultz is full of it up to her eyeballs...whoda thunkit?
This is a demo that will respond favorably to Sarah Palin. Moms matter...
If John McCain had won 60% of the white vote rather than 55%, he would be President today. If the Reps don't change our existing immigration policies, they will be the permanent minority party. 87% of the 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants who enter this country are minorities. Minorities and immigrants vote mostly Dem.
Thanks for your analysis. The “prevailing wisdom” is so completely off the mark, it’s astounding.
The GOP can win comfortably in 2012 once the 3-5 pts worth of white women who switched to Obama after the collapse in a state of panic and frustration at Bush and the GOP realize their mistake and switch back.
Not if the dems succeed in legalizing 20-30 million illegal immigrants. They will have successfully neutralized the repub gains among independents if they throw in a huge new voting block.
If only the entire country was like Alabama. Unfortunately it’s not.
You’re right about the decreased black turnout in NJ and VA this year. I wouldn’t count on that in 2012. They will be out in force. Obama will have had 4 years to make sure they are out in force.
Interestingly, I think Deeds actually did better among blacks in VA as a % than Obama did.
Around 67% of the white vote would win the election with zero minority support. But even last yr, we got 5% of the black vote, 31% of the hispanic vote and 40% of the rest of the minority vote(Bush got 44% in 04). So, in 2012, we’ll likely need around 60% of the white vote or so. We got 55% last yr under the worst conditions possible. 60 should not be unthinkable. Especially if things get worse under Obama.
It’s much, much easier to go from 55 to 60 among whites than from 5 to 15 among black or from 30 to 40 among hispanics. A 5 pt gain among whites adds 4 pts worth. A 5 pt gain among blacks adds .6 pts worth. A 5 pt gain among hispanics adds .45 pts worth. You’re right it just makes way more sense to focus on increasing the white vote. And secondarily the hispanic vote by a few pts. Unfortunately, the black vote is a lost cause, especially with Obama.
Not astounding when you consider it isn’t mere error or oversight. It’s deliberate: Dezinformatsiya.
Each day I wake up and wonder how in hell did we get this community organizer as President of these United States? How come we were so cursed?
And then I’m told that 65% of voters aged 18-29 voted for 0 and according to Gallup (ugly) “WHITE single, divorced, separated, unmarried, or widowed WOMEN” voted “OVERWHELMINGLY” for 0!!!!!!!
Probably so, but I am not convinced that the youth vote will show up in 2012 like it did last year. This group has much to lose from the RAT plan to require everyone to carry health insurance. Suspect a lot of young folks will be over the crush on da One in another year or two.
Only citizens are legally entitled to vote, not legal immigrants. The problem that need to be fixed is illegal voting.
keep in mind, though, a whole bunch of the youth vote WAS blacks. The 2 groups overlap.
The % of the 18-29 among the electorate was roughly the same in 08 as in 04. The difference was that Obama won them 66-34 as opposed to Kerry’s 56-44. +32 vs +12. A 20 pt jump.
A large reason for the bigger disparity was the huge number of young blacks(and hispanics) voting for Obama. Overall the black vote jumped from 11% to 13% of turnout, a record high. Most of that increase was among younger blacks. Among whites 18-29 he won but not by an overwhelming margin. Now, maybe in 2012 it won’t be a big deal to elect a black guy and 2008 will prove to be a one shot deal. Who knows?
Also, Obama is smart. The health care plan doesn’t take effect until 2013, AFTER the election. So by the time they realize what has happened it’ll be too late and he’ll already have been reelected. They won’t see any adverse effects before the election. A good move on Obama’s part.
Married people vote GOP? No problem, we'll tear down marriage.
Prosperous people vote GOP? No problem, we'll import poor people.
Independent people vote GOP? No problem, we'll legislate away your independence.
Educated people vote GOP? That's a tough one. Here's what we'll do: we'll take over the schools, so that those getting educated only hear our propaganda.
Employed people vote GOP? Not when they are government or union jobs.
Amnesty will make the illegal immigrants citizens. Then they will be able to vote - if not in the 2010 elections, at least by the 2012.
Why is it surprising that white women are Republicans? The Republican Party doesn’t treat us like useless victims, too stupid to get an education, a job, to care for a family, or to make choices which benefit - not destroy - the helpless. It’s not a surprise to me, at all. (I’m one of those “white women” Republicans, BTW.)
This is good information and if true, I hope the ratio increases even more substantially in our favor.
nothing surprising about this
white christian and/or married women typically vote this way
The majority of Americans are actually conservative.
But there is one issue that drives them from the Republican side.
I will let you guess what it is.
“The majority of Americans are actually conservative.
But there is one issue that drives them from the Republican side.
I will let you guess what it is.”
Abortion...that’s easy. One of these days we’ll have some form of contraception that is neither incredibly immoral or hard to use. Then we’ll see a decline in those numbers and an incline in all women to the right.
It’s really the only big wedge we have with many women. I side to the right, but I understand the division and realize it’s consequences politically.
where da white women at?
And my point is whether abortion is right or wrong, it’s simply not a government issue. Government can’t make it right or wrong.
It’s a matter for families. It’s a matter for churches. It’s a doctor-patient item.
If the Republican party were to say “We think that abortion is a bad thing. But at the same time, we do not think it is an issue that government should be involved in.”
It’s simply not the province of government.
You know what I mean.
Where da white wimmin?
My comment was based on perceptions of several women with whom I have been acquainted, either through work or other happenstances.
If you read my comment, you will see that I am not disagreeing with the findings captioned in this article.
Hope that helps.
I wasn’t picking on you or being critical!
Just pointing something out.
And the fact that the very next post after mine nailed it shows we KNOW what the big divisive issue is.
“Later she said two conservative female representatives only serve to further “repulse women.”
I can not think of a female humanoid form more repulsive than Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The new definition of butt ugly, with a grating voice that reminds me of fingernails on a chalk board.
I remember reading somewhere that women actually voted slightly more for Nixon in 1960 than JFK-it’s one of the facts the media doesn’t bring up—like the fact that the under 30 vote in 1972 went to Nixon over McGovern.
Absolutely! I agree with this stance yet from other conservatives I talk to many of them take a hard line stance on the abortion issue. Most of these are men - men will NEVER have an abortion nor need to, so perhaps government needs to get out of this issue somehow.
Similarly with the whole gay marriage, rights issue. I really don’t care what gay people do as long as they don’t do it in my face. Just as I don’t appreciate hetero public displays of sex we shouldn’t have to tolerate gay PDA either. I have been married and divorce a few times and got taken to the cleaners each time - so let the gays participate in THAT activity!
As a conservative and republican I am more concerned with things like defense, responsible handling of our tax dollars, and getting the government out of my face in all facets of life. I am frankly tired of seeing tax money spent supporting people who contribute nothing to society. I am tired of completing endless tax forms (I own a business). Tired of my local tax dollars being spent on crap like skateboard parks, flower boxes along the street, grants to this group and that and each group brings NOTHING to the table that will benefit taxpayers at large.
I am tired of being in the majority of opinions yet being in the minority on the receiving end of things.
I am tired of being hushed up when I speak out. I am tired of the PC crap. If I want to say something I will - if those within earshot don’t like it they can leave or confront me - That is THEIR right. They don’t have to right to regulate what I say. I was always taught sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you. Words are just words - get the hell over it!
At what point do we, as the majority opinion holders, get to say “We are the majority - do it our way. If you don’t like it, then become the majority.”
“White” women can’t have it both ways; they can’t pass as conservative while supporting women’s job fairs, token hiring, gov’t. grants for female-owned businesses, etc.. The biggest problem they have now is the determination of the other “protected” classes to shut down these programs, using the logic that these women have the same advantages as “white” men (gold flakes on their morning toast, family foundations funded by 987,000 years of slavery, etc.). White women will be steadfast conservatives when they see how the white males growing up now are clones of the urban welfare males, with all that entails. As these women have to shoulder more responsibilities, and their life resembles that of the current “white male” (60 hour workweeks, never seeing your children, etc.) and their life expectancy falls to that of their male counterparts, they will react. Don’t look for anything until then.
I’ll disagree with you on that, in that I think all issues of morals are within the government (abortion included); although when it comes down to it, it’s status (of being legal or not) doesn’t matter...in that it will still happen.
It may happen less, but it will still happen. I think the effort in practical sense,—regardless of state moving to change their own practice, is to make the conception part the barrier....not to get into it and leave abortion as the only option.
My dispute with abortions mostly resides in how casual it’s used, especially if you bear the statistics. I understand to some extent how women feel bad when they’re raped, but just because it’s inconvenient or they’re irresponsible doesn’t account for much in my mind.
One of these days neither side will have to fight over this issue and I think the right will benefit heavily when this issue is no-longer as big.
My guess is you started out as libertarian or you still are to some extent. I use to be somewhat like that, but my views have become more conservative on gay marriage and abortion.
To rely on government, whose primary attributes seem to be greed and power, as a basis for your moral foundation seems to me to be a disaster waiting to happen!
Very few solutions are done through one.