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What White Women Want, Surprisingly the GOP
Real Clear Politics ^ | November 13, 2009 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 11/13/2009 9:55:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

This week, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida Democrat, told reporters the GOP offers a "back-of-the-hand treatment to women." Later she said two conservative female representatives only serve to further "repulse women." You see, Schultz said on MSNBC, Republicans "don't really get very many women when it comes to elections."

The week before, in Virginia, the Republican gubernatorial candidate won women. And in blue New Jersey, the Republican lost women but won white women by 18 percentage points.

Last year, John McCain won a majority of the white female vote. They sum to more than 25 million women. Democrats, so many forget, have not won a majority of white women since 1964.

Few subjects evoke more wrongheaded conventional wisdom than the gender gap. Consider a more common expression of the same factoid. In Democratic commenter Steve McMahon's words, "the Republican party is becoming, regressing to become, a white male southern party." NPR's Juan Williams said the GOP was a "regional southern party of white men." Even Republican strategist Mike Murphy called his GOP "the party of white males." Or as BBC's Katty Kay framed the danger, Republicans "don't want to end up being the party of white men."

The white part is correct. It goes without saying that Republicans must, foremost, win new minority voters. And Republicans do fare significantly better with white men than women. But take BBC's Kay. She's a fair-minded pundit and has written a book about women. But even Kay overlooks that the GOP consistently wins white women.(continued)

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2010; abortion; congress; democrats; nj2009; obama; obamacare; palin; polls; va2009; whitevote; womensvote
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1 posted on 11/13/2009 9:56:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comments. White women have good sense.


2 posted on 11/13/2009 9:57:53 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only thing worse than believing your own propaganda is believing that of you enemy.


3 posted on 11/13/2009 9:59:26 PM PST by sourcery (RINOs are Whigs with no hair...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like white women.


4 posted on 11/13/2009 10:00:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Democrats, so many forget, have not won a majority of white women since 1964.

I did not know this.

5 posted on 11/13/2009 10:04:47 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Godspeed, T, on your fourth tour of duty in Iraq.)
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To: ansel12

“I like white women.”

Me too.....I’m married to one.


6 posted on 11/13/2009 10:05:27 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ansel12

Wild, willing, white women are the best!


7 posted on 11/13/2009 10:07:30 PM PST by utax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It goes without saying that Republicans must, foremost, win new minority voters.

They won't win them by being Dem-lite. But minority voters do not prefer conservative principles, as reflected in their voting patterns. They are into the entitlement mentality, affirmative action, the victim mentality, and avoidance of personal responsibility in favor of larger government that distributes benefits through social programs. They still have the Great Society mentality.

And that doesnt make them receptive to real conservatism.
8 posted on 11/13/2009 10:07:50 PM PST by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: ansel12
I like women.

Especially conservative ones. Small l Libertarians are OK, too.

Liberal women are so lame, you're not even sure when you've had sex with 'em. Ask Bill Clinton.

9 posted on 11/13/2009 10:10:19 PM PST by FredZarguna ("A nation is not beaten until the hearts of its right-wing women are on the ground.")
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To: Darkwolf377
I didn't either, and frankly it surprises me. But that's what I should expect from the MSM.

White women want security, and they want to be left alone to manage their families as they see fit.

10 posted on 11/13/2009 10:12:47 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The gop could, in theory, win every single election for the next 40 to 50 years if they could find a way of winning 75 or 80 percent of the white vote, and they wouldn’t need a single minority vote. Even though whites now make up only 66 percent of the population whites still make up about 75 percent of the voters. Take a look at TX, McCain-Palin won by 15 points, yet whites make up only 49 percent of the population or maybe even less, and it wasn’t because blacks and mexicans were busy voting for McCain, it’s just that whites turned out to vote in large numbers, and they overwhelmingly voted as a block. It’s also interesting to note that Alabama had the lowest rate of whites voting for 0bama, only about 10 percent, 90 percent voted McCain.

Christie won in NJ because of higher than average white turnout and average to below average minority turnout.

No one can out pander the democrats, so it’s unlikely that the repubs can really attract much more than 10 percent of the black vote, which only translates into about 1.3 percent of the total vote, and maybe 30 percent of the hispanic vote, which translates into only about 2 percent of total vote. It seems like it would be much easier to attract white voters. The old saying, fish where the fish are, rings true in this case.


11 posted on 11/13/2009 10:15:54 PM PST by euram
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To: Darkwolf377
I've been trying to tell FReepers this for years. Among married women, the gap is even larger. Keep in mind that with just the black vote, the Democrats start off with a huge lead among single women, nearly six points. I believe National Review did a study in 2005 that showed that if the Republican Party had held as many black voters as Dwight Eisenhower got in 1956 -- a mere 30% -- John Kerry would have carried just one state: Massachusettes.

Even in a year when Indies supposedly abandoned the Republicans, the truth is that Barack 0bama did not get a majority of white voters. Yet we don't ever hear about how the Democrats have to appeal to more whites. The gender gap you never hear about is among white males. Democrats have a very serious problem in that demographic. But you aren't going to ever hear analysts reflect on how white males have bailed on the Party.

12 posted on 11/13/2009 10:18:08 PM PST by FredZarguna ("A nation is not beaten until the hearts of its right-wing women are on the ground.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Women versus wymmyn.


13 posted on 11/13/2009 10:18:52 PM PST by ponygirl ("I can see the Olympic Stadium from my house!" - Barack Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Last year, Obama made gains with white men compared to Al Gore. But Obama fared worse than Gore with white women. As for the much-discussed white suburban women’s vote, they went to McCain.

Hmm...I wonder why that might have been?

We know women vote on the economy and domestic issues. The economy was by far the top issue last year. To be blunt, it sucked under Bush in 2008. Bush’s approval was in the 20s for much of the year. The Obama campaign targeted these white women and suburban white women. They spent more money and aired more ads than any other candidate in history on them. He got more positive media coverage than any candidate in history, especially on programs and magazines that white women consume a lot of.

All that...and he still lost them 53-46, the same margin he won overall by, so a 14 pt difference. From +7 in the general electorat to -7 among white women. And that was with all he had going for him including the total economic implosion and market crash of Septemebr and October or it would have been a much bigger margin.

and
But it would be a mistake, as is true of men as well, to limit the GOP’s white female appeal to the South. Consider that McCain won a majority of working class white women in the Midwest and West.

Again, I wonder what might have had a role in that?

And now according to Gallup white women are already at around 50% disapproval.

If McCain had done even a few pts better among white women which he was well on his way to doing before the crash he’d have won comfortably. The GOP can win comfortably in 2012 once the 3-5 pts worth of white women who switched to Obama after the collapse in a state of panic and frustration at Bush and the GOP realize their mistake and switch back.


14 posted on 11/13/2009 10:19:10 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Republicans have Sara Evans. The pinkos have women with hairy pits.


15 posted on 11/13/2009 10:20:35 PM PST by ConservativeStatement (Obama lies, Freedom dies)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So Debbie Wasserman Schultz is full of it up to her eyeballs...whoda thunkit?

This is a demo that will respond favorably to Sarah Palin. Moms matter...


16 posted on 11/13/2009 10:23:49 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Canedawg
It goes without saying that Republicans must, foremost, win new minority voters. And Republicans do fare significantly better with white men than women

If John McCain had won 60% of the white vote rather than 55%, he would be President today. If the Reps don't change our existing immigration policies, they will be the permanent minority party. 87% of the 1.2 million LEGAL immigrants who enter this country are minorities. Minorities and immigrants vote mostly Dem.

17 posted on 11/13/2009 10:25:35 PM PST by kabar
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To: FredZarguna

Thanks for your analysis. The “prevailing wisdom” is so completely off the mark, it’s astounding.


18 posted on 11/13/2009 10:25:37 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Godspeed, T, on your fourth tour of duty in Iraq.)
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To: jeltz25

The GOP can win comfortably in 2012 once the 3-5 pts worth of white women who switched to Obama after the collapse in a state of panic and frustration at Bush and the GOP realize their mistake and switch back.

Not if the dems succeed in legalizing 20-30 million illegal immigrants. They will have successfully neutralized the repub gains among independents if they throw in a huge new voting block.


19 posted on 11/13/2009 10:26:53 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: euram

If only the entire country was like Alabama. Unfortunately it’s not.

You’re right about the decreased black turnout in NJ and VA this year. I wouldn’t count on that in 2012. They will be out in force. Obama will have had 4 years to make sure they are out in force.

Interestingly, I think Deeds actually did better among blacks in VA as a % than Obama did.

Around 67% of the white vote would win the election with zero minority support. But even last yr, we got 5% of the black vote, 31% of the hispanic vote and 40% of the rest of the minority vote(Bush got 44% in 04). So, in 2012, we’ll likely need around 60% of the white vote or so. We got 55% last yr under the worst conditions possible. 60 should not be unthinkable. Especially if things get worse under Obama.

It’s much, much easier to go from 55 to 60 among whites than from 5 to 15 among black or from 30 to 40 among hispanics. A 5 pt gain among whites adds 4 pts worth. A 5 pt gain among blacks adds .6 pts worth. A 5 pt gain among hispanics adds .45 pts worth. You’re right it just makes way more sense to focus on increasing the white vote. And secondarily the hispanic vote by a few pts. Unfortunately, the black vote is a lost cause, especially with Obama.


20 posted on 11/13/2009 10:27:42 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Darkwolf377

Not astounding when you consider it isn’t mere error or oversight. It’s deliberate: Dezinformatsiya.


21 posted on 11/13/2009 10:30:26 PM PST by FredZarguna ("A nation is not beaten until the hearts of its right-wing women are on the ground.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Each day I wake up and wonder how in hell did we get this community organizer as President of these United States? How come we were so cursed?

And then I’m told that 65% of voters aged 18-29 voted for 0 and according to Gallup (ugly) “WHITE single, divorced, separated, unmarried, or widowed WOMEN” voted “OVERWHELMINGLY” for 0!!!!!!!


22 posted on 11/13/2009 11:07:31 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: jeltz25
You’re right about the decreased black turnout in NJ and VA this year. I wouldn’t count on that in 2012. They will be out in force.

Probably so, but I am not convinced that the youth vote will show up in 2012 like it did last year. This group has much to lose from the RAT plan to require everyone to carry health insurance. Suspect a lot of young folks will be over the crush on da One in another year or two.

23 posted on 11/13/2009 11:17:33 PM PST by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Mom MD

Only citizens are legally entitled to vote, not legal immigrants. The problem that need to be fixed is illegal voting.


24 posted on 11/13/2009 11:27:18 PM PST by rbbeachkid (The ONLY ones able to fix the economy - Small Business Owners!)
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To: freespirited

keep in mind, though, a whole bunch of the youth vote WAS blacks. The 2 groups overlap.

The % of the 18-29 among the electorate was roughly the same in 08 as in 04. The difference was that Obama won them 66-34 as opposed to Kerry’s 56-44. +32 vs +12. A 20 pt jump.

A large reason for the bigger disparity was the huge number of young blacks(and hispanics) voting for Obama. Overall the black vote jumped from 11% to 13% of turnout, a record high. Most of that increase was among younger blacks. Among whites 18-29 he won but not by an overwhelming margin. Now, maybe in 2012 it won’t be a big deal to elect a black guy and 2008 will prove to be a one shot deal. Who knows?

Also, Obama is smart. The health care plan doesn’t take effect until 2013, AFTER the election. So by the time they realize what has happened it’ll be too late and he’ll already have been reelected. They won’t see any adverse effects before the election. A good move on Obama’s part.


25 posted on 11/13/2009 11:43:42 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
White women vote GOP? No problem, we'll make sure there are fewer whites in the voting population.

Married people vote GOP? No problem, we'll tear down marriage.

Prosperous people vote GOP? No problem, we'll import poor people.

Independent people vote GOP? No problem, we'll legislate away your independence.

Educated people vote GOP? That's a tough one. Here's what we'll do: we'll take over the schools, so that those getting educated only hear our propaganda.

Employed people vote GOP? Not when they are government or union jobs.

26 posted on 11/13/2009 11:52:03 PM PST by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: rbbeachkid

Amnesty will make the illegal immigrants citizens. Then they will be able to vote - if not in the 2010 elections, at least by the 2012.


27 posted on 11/14/2009 12:50:02 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is it surprising that white women are Republicans? The Republican Party doesn’t treat us like useless victims, too stupid to get an education, a job, to care for a family, or to make choices which benefit - not destroy - the helpless. It’s not a surprise to me, at all. (I’m one of those “white women” Republicans, BTW.)


28 posted on 11/14/2009 12:57:50 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wow. For some reason, I thought most white women were Dems.

This is good information and if true, I hope the ratio increases even more substantially in our favor.

29 posted on 11/14/2009 1:01:51 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

nothing surprising about this

white christian and/or married women typically vote this way

some exceptions...Carter...Toon..


30 posted on 11/14/2009 1:04:56 AM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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To: Allegra

The majority of Americans are actually conservative.
But there is one issue that drives them from the Republican side.

I will let you guess what it is.


31 posted on 11/14/2009 1:12:33 AM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: djf

“The majority of Americans are actually conservative.
But there is one issue that drives them from the Republican side.

I will let you guess what it is.”

Abortion...that’s easy. One of these days we’ll have some form of contraception that is neither incredibly immoral or hard to use. Then we’ll see a decline in those numbers and an incline in all women to the right.

It’s really the only big wedge we have with many women. I side to the right, but I understand the division and realize it’s consequences politically.


32 posted on 11/14/2009 1:25:11 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Defiant

wow...how true.


33 posted on 11/14/2009 1:27:53 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

where da white women at?


34 posted on 11/14/2009 1:34:14 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Rick_Michael

Yup.

And my point is whether abortion is right or wrong, it’s simply not a government issue. Government can’t make it right or wrong.

It’s a matter for families. It’s a matter for churches. It’s a doctor-patient item.

If the Republican party were to say “We think that abortion is a bad thing. But at the same time, we do not think it is an issue that government should be involved in.”

It’s simply not the province of government.

You know what I mean.


35 posted on 11/14/2009 1:34:34 AM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: ansel12

Where da white wimmin?


36 posted on 11/14/2009 1:39:06 AM PST by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: djf
No need to condescend.

My comment was based on perceptions of several women with whom I have been acquainted, either through work or other happenstances.

If you read my comment, you will see that I am not disagreeing with the findings captioned in this article.

Hope that helps.

37 posted on 11/14/2009 1:43:10 AM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Allegra

I wasn’t picking on you or being critical!

Just pointing something out.
And the fact that the very next post after mine nailed it shows we KNOW what the big divisive issue is.

regards,
djf


38 posted on 11/14/2009 1:47:43 AM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Later she said two conservative female representatives only serve to further “repulse women.”

I can not think of a female humanoid form more repulsive than Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The new definition of butt ugly, with a grating voice that reminds me of fingernails on a chalk board.


39 posted on 11/14/2009 2:59:07 AM PST by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember reading somewhere that women actually voted slightly more for Nixon in 1960 than JFK-it’s one of the facts the media doesn’t bring up—like the fact that the under 30 vote in 1972 went to Nixon over McGovern.


40 posted on 11/14/2009 4:26:45 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland (Dreams from My Father--(food, shelter, and education from some typical white folks)
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To: djf

Absolutely! I agree with this stance yet from other conservatives I talk to many of them take a hard line stance on the abortion issue. Most of these are men - men will NEVER have an abortion nor need to, so perhaps government needs to get out of this issue somehow.

Similarly with the whole gay marriage, rights issue. I really don’t care what gay people do as long as they don’t do it in my face. Just as I don’t appreciate hetero public displays of sex we shouldn’t have to tolerate gay PDA either. I have been married and divorce a few times and got taken to the cleaners each time - so let the gays participate in THAT activity!

As a conservative and republican I am more concerned with things like defense, responsible handling of our tax dollars, and getting the government out of my face in all facets of life. I am frankly tired of seeing tax money spent supporting people who contribute nothing to society. I am tired of completing endless tax forms (I own a business). Tired of my local tax dollars being spent on crap like skateboard parks, flower boxes along the street, grants to this group and that and each group brings NOTHING to the table that will benefit taxpayers at large.

I am tired of being in the majority of opinions yet being in the minority on the receiving end of things.

I am tired of being hushed up when I speak out. I am tired of the PC crap. If I want to say something I will - if those within earshot don’t like it they can leave or confront me - That is THEIR right. They don’t have to right to regulate what I say. I was always taught sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you. Words are just words - get the hell over it!

At what point do we, as the majority opinion holders, get to say “We are the majority - do it our way. If you don’t like it, then become the majority.”


41 posted on 11/14/2009 4:36:58 AM PST by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“White” women can’t have it both ways; they can’t pass as conservative while supporting women’s job fairs, token hiring, gov’t. grants for female-owned businesses, etc.. The biggest problem they have now is the determination of the other “protected” classes to shut down these programs, using the logic that these women have the same advantages as “white” men (gold flakes on their morning toast, family foundations funded by 987,000 years of slavery, etc.). White women will be steadfast conservatives when they see how the white males growing up now are clones of the urban welfare males, with all that entails. As these women have to shoulder more responsibilities, and their life resembles that of the current “white male” (60 hour workweeks, never seeing your children, etc.) and their life expectancy falls to that of their male counterparts, they will react. Don’t look for anything until then.


42 posted on 11/14/2009 4:53:43 AM PST by Carlos Martillo II (Guernica was a work of art...and I don't mean the painting.)
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To: djf

I’ll disagree with you on that, in that I think all issues of morals are within the government (abortion included); although when it comes down to it, it’s status (of being legal or not) doesn’t matter...in that it will still happen.

It may happen less, but it will still happen. I think the effort in practical sense,—regardless of state moving to change their own practice, is to make the conception part the barrier....not to get into it and leave abortion as the only option.

My dispute with abortions mostly resides in how casual it’s used, especially if you bear the statistics. I understand to some extent how women feel bad when they’re raped, but just because it’s inconvenient or they’re irresponsible doesn’t account for much in my mind.

One of these days neither side will have to fight over this issue and I think the right will benefit heavily when this issue is no-longer as big.


43 posted on 11/14/2009 8:37:04 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: msrngtp2002

My guess is you started out as libertarian or you still are to some extent. I use to be somewhat like that, but my views have become more conservative on gay marriage and abortion.


44 posted on 11/14/2009 8:40:40 AM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Rick_Michael

To rely on government, whose primary attributes seem to be greed and power, as a basis for your moral foundation seems to me to be a disaster waiting to happen!

;-)


45 posted on 11/14/2009 8:49:29 AM PST by djf (Maybe life ain't about the doing - maybe it's just the trying... Hey, I don't make the rules!)
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To: djf

Very few solutions are done through one.


46 posted on 11/14/2009 7:40:55 PM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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