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We Can't Sit Back and Allow the Loss of Our Freedoms
Fox News ^ | 11/10/09 | Judge Andrew Napolitano

Posted on 11/15/2009 11:12:49 AM PST by Bokababe

...The Founders did not give us a government like the one we have today. The government they gave us was strictly limited in its scope, guaranteed individual liberty, preserved the free market, and on matters that pertain to our private behavior was supposed to leave us alone.

In the Constitution, the Founders built in checks and balances. If the Congress got out of hand, the states would restrain it. If the states stole liberty or property, the Congress would cure it. If the President tried to become a king, the courts would prevent it.

In the next few weeks, I will be giving a public class on Constitutional Law here on the Fox News Channel, on the Fox Business Network, on Foxnews.com, and on Fox Nation. In anticipation of that, many of you have asked: What can we do now about the loss of freedom? For starters, we can vote the bums out of their cushy federal offices! We can persuade our state governments to defy the Feds in areas like health care -- where the Constitution gives the Feds zero authority. We can petition our state legislatures to threaten to amend the Constitution to abolish the income tax, return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.

One thing we can’t do is just sit back and take it....

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 12thamendment; 2010election; bho44; bhofascism; bhohealthcare; bhotyranny; constitution; donttreadonme; elections; government; liberty; livefreeordie; napolitano; obamacare; socializedmedicine; statesrights; takeourcountryback; tyranny
Note the class on Constituional Law on Fox.
1 posted on 11/15/2009 11:12:51 AM PST by Bokababe
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To: bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385; ForGod'sSake; SunkenCiv; sickoflibs

Constitution Ping!


2 posted on 11/15/2009 11:14:40 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

the check and balance was removed the second the states were nullifed by having the senate directly elected.

the senate was there to represent that states, the house the people and thus 100 years later, no checks or balance but an out of control federal government with no way to rein it in.


3 posted on 11/15/2009 11:15:12 AM PST by genxer
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To: Bokababe

We should all tell all our friends/family about this program.


4 posted on 11/15/2009 11:19:26 AM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: genxer
...no checks or balance but an out of control federal government with no way to rein it in.

I would believe that if we were broke as a nation for a government without checks and balances would surely break the bank.

When that happens I will take your statement to heart.

Not until then!....

5 posted on 11/15/2009 11:20:57 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: genxer
the senate was there to represent that states, the house the people and thus 100 years later, no checks or balance but an out of control federal government with no way to rein it in. Of course there's a way to rein it in.

From the Declaration of Independence " That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.".

It starts with the vote and ends wherever it has to!

6 posted on 11/15/2009 11:25:16 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: Bokababe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n2m-X7OIuY


7 posted on 11/15/2009 11:30:14 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: All
Here's are two videos on it:

PT 1

I am still trying to find Part 2 of this & will post it when I find it.

8 posted on 11/15/2009 11:30:42 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

I really enjoy listening to the Judge. He makes a lot of sense. However, he comes up a bit short on this one. He couches his argument in terms of arresting the expansion of government by threatening the elected elite with a variety of actions: amendment to scrap the Income Tax, return election of Senators to the State legislatures, etc.

For my part, we should be doing these things REGARDLESS of the party in control; and, it should be much, much more that mere threats. We should be demanding the Federal leviathan return to the live within the constraints of the Constitution. We should be demanding that the Income Tax be repealed. We should be demanding that the States be returned the election of Senators. And, we should be demanding that ALL Federal legislation of the last 200+ years be tested against the authorizations of the Constitution. AND IT SHOULD NOT MATTER WHICH PARTY IS IN CONTROL. It’s the right thing to do.

It’s time to take back the country.


9 posted on 11/15/2009 11:31:06 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: genxer

And don’t expect any help from the courts.


10 posted on 11/15/2009 11:33:51 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: EGPWS

we are broke as a nation, we depend on the chicoms to keep giving us the cash we need to survive.


11 posted on 11/15/2009 11:34:18 AM PST by henry_reardon
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To: Bokababe; bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385; ForGod'sSake; SunkenCiv
RE :” What can we do now about the loss of freedom? For starters, we can vote the bums out of their cushy federal offices!

Looking forward to Judge's course.

My naturally cynical thoughts tell me the voters tried voting the bums out in 1994, 2006 and 2008 and congress only gets worse(1994 being the exception short lived). Your state level ideas are OK in some states, but you can forget my liberal state MD doing anything but electing more liberals.

My thoughts are :
1) Term limits for house and Senate as promised in 1994 contract with America. Guess why that didnt get passed..
2) A ‘congress has to live in our world” act. For starters, congress must send their kids to public schools as long as they are office. Next, apply Freedom of Information act to congress like it is applied to the white house.

12 posted on 11/15/2009 11:34:41 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: henry_reardon
... we depend on the chicoms to keep giving us the cash we need to survive.

And I thought all along that because of our freedoms via the Constitution that we are the only "super power" surviving today.

I'm rethinking of late.

13 posted on 11/15/2009 11:37:55 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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I’d like to hear a discussion of Obamacare vs. the health care plan that congress enjoys but does not pay for. That discussion should be centered on the ‘equal protection clause’.


14 posted on 11/15/2009 11:44:49 AM PST by white17x
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To: ez
That speech is absolutely awesome! Thank you!
15 posted on 11/15/2009 11:45:34 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

This is a nice sentiment, one that I believe in to my core. But, there is a possibility that it makes me an ideologue. Why? Because the status quo is so ingrained in peoples minds, it is the way our reality is framed, and there are some things that many just would not want to give up. Even conservatives have raked me when discussing whether the 17th amendment should be repealed and many balk at eliminating the Department of Education, the EPA, the FDA and so on. It does not matter that these departments, as policized as they are do not function in the best interest of the people and over time have expanded way beyond their intended scope.

This stiff opposition to my constitutionalism (which is distinct from Libertarianism) lead me to believe that I truly am quite a minority, and people like me have been likewise as far back as John Adams. The recognition of things like the Alien and Sedition Acts, constant meddeling in the financial sector, and political manipulation of states all along shake my confidence that true constitutionalism could ever be a reality.

In my opinion, that government the Founders established died a very painful and bloody death during the civil war. What we have now are bits and pieces of what was left over. We are indeed very lucky to have as many freedoms and liberty left over as we have today, but many of the attitudes from the civil war persist even to this day, only with a different face. Something and someone has to be the historic antithesis of the liberals, and I don’t beleieve it is folks like me. Constitutionalists, and even Libertarians are stuck in the middle of the persistant tug-o-war between different ways to stomp on the constitution, for better or worse. Winning and having it be their way is far more important than just letting people and society be what it is, and more importanly for society to have the ability to define, and govern itself the way that was intended in the constitution.


16 posted on 11/15/2009 11:54:06 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: Bokababe

“We can petition our state legislatures to threaten to amend the Constitution to abolish the income tax, return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.”

This would be a major step in the right direction.


17 posted on 11/15/2009 12:43:20 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“Three: in certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it’s an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.” Time that some needed punishment was served.


18 posted on 11/15/2009 12:45:38 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: EGPWS

We’re marerialistic junkies and the Chicoms have become our pimps. Plus we have an addiction to Saudi oil, and there ARE doemestic forces that are keeping us trapped into relying on both foreign oil and yen.


19 posted on 11/15/2009 1:15:26 PM PST by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: genxer

That and the Commerce clause spelled Doom for the Republic. We are reliving the history of the Roman Republic.


20 posted on 11/15/2009 1:24:23 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Bokababe

:....... nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.”

THIS should NOT be a threat, it needs to be an uncompromising DEMAND.


21 posted on 11/15/2009 1:28:51 PM PST by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: johncatl
It starts with the vote and ends wherever it has to!

"The vote" has changed to the point where it's almost impossible for the people to uphold the Constitution through voting.

There are too many who will vote for a candidate simply because said candidate offers something "for free" or "what you are owed/deserve/have a 'right to'". Bull!

22 posted on 11/15/2009 1:31:39 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: Bokababe

Agree, except for the “Constitutional Ammendment”. That could open up a real can of worms as once a “CA” process starts there is NO LIMIT as to what may be included in the new Constitution. The judge should know that.


23 posted on 11/15/2009 1:38:50 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Republic of Texas
We are reliving the history of the Roman Republic

And the demise of it if we don't get our constitutionally driven freedom loving sh!t together and fast!

24 posted on 11/15/2009 2:03:51 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: dajeeps
"This is a nice sentiment, one that I believe in to my core. But, there is a possibility that it makes me an ideologue. Why? Because the status quo is so ingrained in peoples minds, it is the way our reality is framed, and there are some things that many just would not want to give up."

It is true that much of this has been ingrained in people's psyche, but it is also true that "the idea of the Constitution", rather than its actual content, has been equally ingrained. If and when people actually refer to the content of the Constitution, they will find that you are right. The point is to get them to look and educate themselves. Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty has been doing an excellent job of that, as have many smaller organizations.

That you feel this to your core makes you a Patriot, not just "an idealistic dogmatist".

Even conservatives have raked me when discussing whether the 17th amendment should be repealed and many balk at eliminating the Department of Education, the EPA, the FDA and so on

There are many people here on FR and beyond who are primarily Social conservatives rather than Constitutional conservatives, many of whom like big government and big government power -- their only dispute is how that power is used when it denies their agenda. They virtually never question whether government should have that power over us at all -- unless the opposition is in office and then they start the Constitutional chest-beating. It's a hard to make them realize that once you allow those powers to a President and government you like, you've also allowed the powers to the next government who you may hate.

Social Conservatism is the RESULT of a functional free society where people are responsible for their choices. It cannot be achieved by government decree whether we wish it so or not.

In my opinion, that government the Founders established died a very painful and bloody death during the civil war. What we have now are bits and pieces of what was left over. We are indeed very lucky to have as many freedoms and liberty left over as we have today, but many of the attitudes from the civil war persist even to this day, only with a different face.

Probably true, but politics is always a push-pull with history, yet there was never a Constitutional amendment passed to deny the rights of the States to secede -- that says something about the limits that the Fed had, even after that bloody Civil War.

"Something and someone has to be the historic antithesis of the liberals, and I don’t beleieve it is folks like me. Constitutionalists, and even Libertarians are stuck in the middle of the persistant tug-o-war between different ways to stomp on the constitution, for better or worse."

Yes, and it is exactly where they should be right now because they have elements that appeal to be shared with both sides in fighting for our freedom and our country. IMHO, this should not be a purely partisan fight -- until or unless one of those Parties, hopefully the Republicans, come to their senses and begin to defend (rather than just try to cash in on) preserving those freedoms that this country was based on.

At worst, the Constitutionalists and libertarians will have stopped both Parties from moving further and further ideologically Left away from the Constitution, and at best, will have moved the discourse back toward a more Constitutional and libertarian model.

I think that we need to quit thinking of "idealist" as a dirty word, because without "ideals" we will have no sense of direction whatever.

25 posted on 11/15/2009 2:04:57 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
President Ronald Reagan
26 posted on 11/15/2009 2:51:21 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Bokababe

Quite a difference from the OTHER Napolitano:

“Napolitano Announces Obama Administration Plan to Give Amnesty to Illegal Aliens”

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?rsrcid=57133


27 posted on 11/15/2009 5:28:21 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Bokababe

One of my very favorite quotes:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites—in proportion as their love of justice is above their rapacity;—in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption;—in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon the will and appetite is placed somewhere: and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
— Edmund Burke


28 posted on 11/15/2009 6:31:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Maybe Gamaya)
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To: Bokababe

Some excellent comments on this thread!

Agreed ... it starts with a vote and ends wherever it has to. We should have been throwing these bums out the entire time and shame on us for failing to do so. But we CAN start doing it now and a whole new batch of fresh faces will be an excellent place to start.

Agreed ... complacency is our worst enemy. People panic at the thought of making even minor changes, let alone major ones. You want some major changes? How about secession? Or some state nullifying federal law that affects ... oh ... payroll tax withholding? Capital gains tax? How about Oregon sez SCREW YOU and just starts drilling for oil and gas or building reactors without “permission” from Uncle Sugar? Sound like fun?

Agreed ... a Constitutional Convention would be scary ... but just HOW scary? Theoretically they COULD write a new Constitution, and I’d be willing to at least look it over. Because if they did, the Several States would have to ratify any new Constitution. They don’t just get to write one (if they were able!) and have it take effect the next day. Doesn’t work that way. On the other hand, what happens if a clear majority of our brethren want a new Constitution? What then?

Agreed ... expect no help from the courts. We could have avoided all of this grief if the Sleeping Nine were still doing their jobs. But they aren’t.

Agreed ... an act to make Congress “live in our world” would be great. But who is going to vote for it? That’s why we need all new Congresscritters, top to bottom. And no, “your guy” isn’t the only good one! THEY ALL SUCK!!

Agreed ... “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it” by any means necessary, including violence.

All of this being said, I look forward to Judge Napolitano’s ConLaw class!!


29 posted on 11/15/2009 7:08:53 PM PST by DNME (We are now under a state of national emergency (for H1N1) so Katie bar the door!)
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To: All
Today Judge Napolitano's Twitter said the following:

"Catch me on the "O'Reilly Factor" tonight @ 8pm EST debating the KSM trial in NYC."

30 posted on 11/16/2009 10:06:00 AM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

bttt


31 posted on 11/16/2009 10:07:57 AM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: Bokababe

Our Forefathers fought for less...


32 posted on 11/16/2009 10:18:26 AM PST by wastedyears (My 15 seconds of fame are on my profile.)
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To: Bokababe
When will we take our country back from these socialist, global elites?

Two party system.......ummm, yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what the power people hope for.

Socialism quickly or socialism a bit slower is still socialism.

Our government, republicans and democrats alike are responsible for the destruction of this nation.

From illegal immigration to de-industrialization, government health care to government prescription rx’s.

You name it, whether republicans or democrats are in office, we have been moving toward a socialist state for many years.

I've heard the Europeans refer to our political system as, “One Party, Two Choices”.

How right they are.

Republicans are in large part globalist.

De-industrialization of America for the bottom line. The almighty buck. It's shameful what these multinational corps are doing to our standard of living with congress enabling them.

Democrats are nothing less than socialist. Every policy fashioned to enslave the American people to Uncle Sugar.

Both parties hell bent on flooding this country with illegals.....then giving them OUR birth right.

Whether we get there slow or fast, socialism is still socialism.

33 posted on 11/16/2009 10:30:16 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Bokababe
We can petition our state legislatures to threaten to amend the Constitution to abolish the income tax, return the selection of U.S. senators to state legislatures and nullify all the laws the Congress has written that are not based in the Constitution.

Why threaten? Anything you'd get in exchange for not doing all that stuff wouldn't be as good as just doing it.

34 posted on 11/16/2009 5:26:18 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Bokababe

Finally, a Napolitano I can listen to without my blood pressure climbing into stroke range!


35 posted on 11/16/2009 5:26:59 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Don Corleone; Travis McGee
Agree, except for the “Constitutional Ammendment”. That could open up a real can of worms as once a “CA” process starts there is NO LIMIT as to what may be included in the new Constitution. The judge should know that.

No, you're thinking of a Constitutional Convention, where you could rewrite the entire thing from scratch if you wanted. The process for individual amendments (we've got twenty-seven of them) is much more contained.

36 posted on 11/16/2009 5:33:16 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Bokababe
Probably true, but politics is always a push-pull with history, yet there was never a Constitutional amendment passed to deny the rights of the States to secede -- that says something about the limits that the Fed had, even after that bloody Civil War.

And wouldn't matter if it had. If you're willing to secede, it means you don't care what the law is in the country you're parting ways with. Maybe a little more convenient if it were explicitly sanctioned and the other government abided by it, but that wouldn't happen anyway.

37 posted on 11/16/2009 5:36:50 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Bokababe; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...



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38 posted on 11/17/2009 7:35:33 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Bokababe

bttt


39 posted on 11/17/2009 7:59:29 AM PST by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: sickoflibs
1) Term limits for house and Senate as promised in 1994 contract with America. Guess why that didnt get passed.

Why? The electorate votes for the what they want. If that's the same guy, year after year... you'd be saying that the electorate shouldn't have the right to vote their choice.

A better choice would be to require that anyone who wishes to vote have to pass a civics test, so that only those who understand how the government works can vote. Thus eliminating any @sshat that thinks the President is some magic-man that can pull free stuff out of a hat.

40 posted on 11/17/2009 3:47:55 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Bokababe

Good post, thank you for taking the time to write it.


41 posted on 11/17/2009 3:50:01 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla; DNME
"Good post, thank you for taking the time to write it."

You are welcome, gogogodzilla!

I agree with DNME, many of excellent comments on this thread.

42 posted on 11/17/2009 4:26:41 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: timestax

bump


43 posted on 11/19/2009 8:59:19 AM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: gogogodzilla; rabscuttle385; bamahead; djsherin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”Why? The electorate votes for the what they want. If that's the same guy, year after year... you'd be saying that the electorate shouldn't have the right to vote their choice. “ (about congressional term limits)

Why you ask? You really think this is working? Both candidates in 2008 tried to out Santa each other. Incumbent congressman have a huge advantage at getting re-elected and at bringing back the $$$. Congress hasnt polled over 40% in decades.

I agree with you 100% on civics test, everyone should have to know how Washington passes laws. I have believed that for a while. But two problems , 1) the history of election tests in South will label it white racism, 2) those in power will write the test to get opposing voters excluded.,just like McCain's campaign finance laws.

Term limits are a key step. They should have to put their kids in public schools while in congress, and white house. I know those will never happen,

44 posted on 11/22/2009 7:53:58 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Bokababe

Obama’s STIMULUS is working, he’s stimulated the whole country into tea parties, anti-health care rallies and all kinds of citizen revolts. He’s even got Napolitano giving lectures on the Constitution.

The Stimulus is working!

Who knows what he’ll stimulate next?


45 posted on 11/22/2009 8:03:03 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: word_warrior_bob
Obama’s STIMULUS is working, he’s stimulated the whole country into tea parties, anti-health care rallies and all kinds of citizen revolts. He’s even got Napolitano giving lectures on the Constitution. The Stimulus is working! Who knows what he’ll stimulate next?

Completely agree, Bob!

One thing that you have to give to Obama -- he's made our life far more stimulating than it would have been with McCain in charge!

46 posted on 11/22/2009 11:52:50 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: johncatl
It starts with the vote...

I recommend a Class Action suit against this administration for violating the Constitution. If it's possible, why wait until 2010 to hope some of these scoundrels are thrown out? There's no guarantee and we're still stuck with many more of these scumbags.

47 posted on 11/23/2009 12:09:03 AM PST by IIntense
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To: white17x
...Obamacare vs. the health care plan that congress enjoys but does not pay for.

I have to admit that I hadn't given a thought to taxpayers footing the bill for their apparently outstanding health care deal. Unmitigated gall!!!

Until this gov't health plan was concocted by Obama, who even thought about the administration's "above the rest of us" health care?

It's drawn our attention now and still they intend to saddle us with a stupid, gov't controlled take-over of our rights.

2010 is too long to wait to take action.

48 posted on 11/23/2009 12:28:45 AM PST by IIntense
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To: Bokababe

Thank you for your very thoughtful response.

I had been figting what I believe to be the ‘good fight’ ever since this whole financial meltdown and what it has meant to me personally really opened my eyes about the conseqences of tyranny. To my dismay, I’ve been labeled not a ‘true’ conservative, a Libertoon, and other such things by those who are only interested in blue steel and have felt like a complete outcast. It does not seem to matter to anyone what the framers actually said, or thought, or how much or often I post Thomas Jefferson’s argument against the establishment of a national bank, which applies to just about everything the government is doing today, or the Federalist papers that describe the purpose of the Federal government, and what it is not. They just don’t get why it was limited or do not care.

To me, that big government sword cuts both ways, and I’d prefer that it cuts not at all. This problem we have of being in fear of the government running amuck, and being promised that by the party in power, is a problem that I do not wish my children to have and it all comes from the constant over-stepping of bounds, with each step being even more bold and more brash than the last; left or right, it doesn’t matter.

If you ever have a chance to study the Buchanan era, you might notice some similarities to the political and economic envrionment today. Some like to think that FDR wrote the book on big government, but it probably started as early as Jackson, coming to a head during Buchanan. I agree with you that the post-war Fed was indeed a kinder, gentler Fed, but it did nothing to prevent future economic and societal meddling that I believe was at the root of the conflict.

In the debate about the 17th amendment I was told that it would have some negative impact on the subsidy southern states get because they lost their 3/5th exemtion after the war, and they still need it because they aren’t as economically advanced as the northern states. I was boggled that a subsidy for that still exists 150 years later.

Why is that place STILL a shambles? Why am I paying taxes for this?

It wasn’t until then that I realized that this problem is far bigger than logic, rational thought, or any amount of education about what the constitution really means. All people can see is what they get from the abuse. It is a monumental task, and a lonely one at that.


49 posted on 11/29/2009 2:22:14 AM PST by dajeeps
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To: genxer

Amen. Congress is out of control. And people keep reelecting these same criminals. And no way to stop it until it explodes.

Seriously, who is going to run on a campaign of cutting expenses such as Medicare? That is a political death sentence? Or cutting funding for education?

As long as people put their self interest above the country’s (which is over 50% of people), we will eventually blow up.

Sorry. There is NO SOLUTION. Even Reagan barely cut expenditures.


50 posted on 11/29/2009 2:28:30 AM PST by whitedog57
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