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Friends of Carrie Prejean to the Left; You donít get to do that
11/13.09 | unknown

Posted on 11/15/2009 3:08:58 PM PST by Bowtie52

The tactics of the Left are predictable and to date, they win the battle of the media more often than common sense. Recently, offering up Ms. Pregean as a target has provided the Left with no end of lively entertainment. It sounds a little like this; Ms. Prejean has publicly said “no” to homosexual marriage yet there seems to be pictures and film, from her past, that makes her a hypocrite. Conservatives either bow their head as though they lost another round or ignore the “tempest in a teapot” as it offers little interest to them.

Isn’t everyone a little tired of letting the Left set the agenda? Most people got to their ripe old age (anyone over the age of 30) by going through a period of being young and dumb. That’s how we learned, mistakes are our best teacher. We know Ms. Prejean learned two things; don’t take naughty pictures and homosexuality isn’t appealing to her when it comes to marriage. She said so at a time when it would have been easier not to. For a while she was the darling of the Right. When learned that she is suspected for being less than perfect, many supporters turned away.

Memo to the Left; Sorry, you don’t get to set the agenda. Carrie Prejean should be celebrated. She stood up to the guff she knew she would have to take; a lesser person would not have done so. Conservatives frequently scatter when faced with a good scrap. At some point in time, we need to learn to come together as a group and deny the Left the upper hand that they have become accustomed to taking.

The Prejean story will not make an ounce of difference the next time the Legislators meet to further erode our way of life. However, her story may provide an excellent opportunity for Conservatives to begin to ban together for what they know to be right.


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To: HelenaGrace
If you’re ok with her lying, I think we just need to agree to disagree.

I'm NOT OK with her lying, or anyone's lying for that matter, so get that straight. Your point was about her signing a legal document stating that there were no nude pics or videos of her, and therefore she was a liar.  I told you that you don't know the exact language of the contract - none of us know exactly what it says unless we see the contract. If the contract specified commercial photographs or videos, then her non-commercial pictures and videos aren't in violation of the contract, and she didn't lie.

You, or anyone else, doesn't get to announce the terms of the contract.  It's certainly possible she lied, but until we know the exact terms of the contract, none of us can say for sure.  Why don't you post the link to the actual contract so we can check the facts?

61 posted on 11/17/2009 8:12:22 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
She’ll do well in whatever career you can succeed in by flaunting your bosom in a bikini and using the natural beauty to titilate and lure lustful admirers.

LOL! Me? Nah, I never had any desire to take my clothes off and make sex videos, and I never had any desire to compete in any of those bikini competitions, though if I wanted to, I'm sure I could have done well.  I have never given any nude pics to anyone.  Indeed, I don't have any nude pics of myself,  period. I do wear a bikini when I go to the beach, though. So I assume your comments are in regard to Carrie, your use of language notwithstanding.

Details of her private life being made public doesn't invalidate her statement in defense of heterosexual marriage, which has always been my point. And defending someone's constitutional right to privacy (which I did) isn't being an apologist, but just an observation by someone who knows and respects the constitution, and believes that privacy is still a right.

Your comment “The fact that she defended marriage as a man and a women is no more significant than if she said that water was wet and the sun gave off light.” tells me that arguing with a dunce is always a bad idea.

62 posted on 11/17/2009 8:15:29 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

This is obviously personal to you. She, meaning Carrie Prejean, the object of the conversation, not you, the person we aren’t talking about...or are we?

My use of language...You still harp on grammatical errors instead of dealing with the logic of my argument. You get personal with me instead of discussing the talking points.

Will you call me a racist next and end the discussion?

You think I’m a dunce? Are you implying that marriage is not between an man and a woman, water is not wet and the sun does not give off light?

What on earth is your point besides insulting me?

I never said that details of her private life nullified her statement about marriage. In fact I said just the opposite. I said that what she said was nothing more than telling the truth.

There is no constitutional right to privacy. You must give your tax returns if you run for office, there is the freedom of information act. There are many cases where your privacy is null and void. Carrie’s situation is null and void the moment she sent it to her boyfriend and used public communication systems to do so.

Privacy is a right to those that keep it. Those that don’t keep their privacy, such as sending masterbation information across the airwaves, is rendered null and void.

I applaud Carrie for speaking the truth in an age of lies. I will not defend her indiscretion in an effort to bolster her telling the truth. Integrity doesn’t work that way.

I don’t know what about this literal point offends you. I have not attacked you or Carrie personally. I have merely pointed out that she is in a pickle that won’t go away, due to her stupidity.

Yes it is stupid to make the private, and personal into a video and think it would not be distributed at a latter date. That stupidity alone is alarming. that is what she should be telling young women...I was stupid...don’t do it...don’t do pageants...don’t use your body to further your desires....Godly principles.

She shouldn’t be trying to defend her breast implants. She shouldn’t be defending the porno-lite video.

My daughters are taught better. I blame Carrie’s father almost as I blame her. A woman that is secure in her father’s love and knows what to expect from men will not behave in this manner. My daughters do not behave in this manner.

Sorry that i typed your arm off, but I don’t know why you are offended by my trying to uphold truth, decency, marriage and chastity. And most of all Humility.

God Bless you,

Michael


63 posted on 11/18/2009 8:23:28 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: Victoria Delsoul

I just went to your blog. Very nice.

I don’t know what we are disagreeing on, as you seem to line up almost exactly with me on every issue and candidate.

Yes you are just as pretty as Carrie Prejean and I do think you could have easily been Miss California or whatever Miss...you wanted to be.

My point in this entire effort is to say this: We can not and must not be excited when the simple truth is told. That is foundational. We must not be happy and giddy when a beauty pageant contestant defends traditional marriage. That is undeniable. These are basic truths that need no defending. We also must not rush to the defense of actions that are spiritually harmful.

It is so very sad that Carrie Prejean is now going through a public humiliation. First attempted by the media, then successfully waged by Carrie’s actions herself. She would have been the poster child she desired but for the pornographic content of her videos. She is now joining Monica Lewinski as a media joke.

That is the fall. It is hard and it is abrupt. Who can she now minister to, or lead by example? She can’t.

I am not writing about you in any manner shape or form. We need strong women like you who are attractive and will get the media attention in order to hold the banner high and protect the culture of life, liberty and our Godly pursuits.

If you don’t find my grammer too annoying, I am more than willing to continue the conversation. I am going to launch my Sarah Palin blog soon to bolster her in my home state.

God Bless,

Keep up the wonderful work on your blog and your steadfast loyalty to our God and country.

Michael


64 posted on 11/18/2009 8:36:52 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
There is no constitutional right to privacy. You must give your tax returns if you run for office, there is the freedom of information act. There are many cases where your privacy is null and void. Carrie’s situation is null and void the moment she sent it to her boyfriend and used public communication systems to do so.

Regarding the Constitutional right to privacy, while there is no literal right to privacy explicit in the Constitution, modern jurisprudence (rightly or wrongly) has acknowledged that such a right exists, using some controversial reasoning.  Announcing that no such right exists, as you do, just isn't accurate.  But it certainly isn't absolute, in any event.

I raised the issue only to point out that Prejean's dicey videos were evidently intended for private use, not a commercial use.  Apparently, she didn't seek to make money from these videos - they were never intended for public consumption, but rather for a private exchange.  Of course, this decision was foolish, and few conservatives would argue that creating the pics/videos was a good idea, let alone sharing them with her boyfriend at the time.

She is a public figure now so naturally, she understandably gives up a lot of her privacy.  My main point wasn't so much to get into constitutional law, so my phraseology and emphasis on that may have been a bit misplaced.  But the general principle is the same - her private sex videos to a paramour may have been a bad idea, but it was a private bad idea, and has no bearing on any moral stand she makes about same sex marriage today.

65 posted on 11/18/2009 7:12:02 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz
My point in this entire effort is to say this: We can not and must not be excited when the simple truth is told. That is foundational. We must not be happy and giddy when a beauty pageant contestant defends traditional marriage. That is undeniable. These are basic truths that need no defending.

This is where I don't agree. See, to you and to me, and to most of us, the definition of marriage is indeed foundational and not very controversial.  That being said, some folks out there don't see it our way.  And many of those folks are the gatekeepers of our popular culture, and they exert either an explicit or tacit pressure in situations like Prejean found herself in.  A mistake in their eyes means losing the competition, and responding to the question of: “do you believed every U.S. state should legalize same-sex marriage,” I believe that most, if not all, beauty pageant contestants would buckle under that pressure and have responded, “yes.”  Yet, Carrie went against the dominant cultural liberal-leftist mindset and and responded NO, knowing that the risk was going to be huge and indeed, it was.

So I give her credit for risking all and losing all to express something that is so basic to you and me. And indeed it cost her the pageant crown, her reputation, and severely impacted her future in mainstream media endeavors.

There is no question that she did wrong, and I fear for many young people out there in this electronic era are quick to use facebook, twitter, myspace, etc to share videos and love letters not realizing that in time it could come back to haunt them.  Maybe Carrie was one of them who thought she was never going to be famous or be the center of a national controversy that pitted her against powerful gays of this nation.

And thank you very much for your comments about my blog.

Nah, I don't really pick on people's grammar, God knows I make mistakes myself. I just wanted to rib you a bit since I thought you were harsh on Carrie.

And listen, any friend of Sarah is a friend of mine!

66 posted on 11/18/2009 7:15:46 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Thanks for the reply. I agree with what you said.

God bless, look forward to your comments on Freeper!

Michael


67 posted on 11/19/2009 11:16:34 AM PST by panzerkamphwageneinz
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